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Thanks, but maybe I should have asked in more detail. I know the rewards for artifacts from the shrine are either stats, hath, or AP. I was just wondering when the most efficient time to start trading them in for those would be.

Any time is a good time. I haven't had to train AP since the Shrine opened and now I have more AP than I know what to do with. Hath is always nice since you can sell them off for a little extra cash if you don't want to save up for a perk. The "true" prize, though, are the permanent stat bonuses, so the sooner you can get those, the better off you'll be.

I compare it to the amount of credits I could get for an artifact on the forum. The amount of hath you get will be worth less, but those stat boosts are valuable and the AP become cost-effective after about 25 levels of training ability boost.

@hariaku:

At your current position, I'd say that you might very do well for yourself by selling them for significant profits to you since they are awarded to you for "free" (they are greatly in demand) -at least while your Ability Point Training in HV is still very affordable.

However....once the cost of your Henjutsu Training for extra Ability Points exceeds the amount of money that you would spend if you bought them from the Bazaar, go ahead and start hoarding them for yourself.

Believe you me, before long you WILL be hungering after each and every Ability Point you can get your hands on, but for now selling those Artifacts off to other Forum Members for Credits (like me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blush.gif) ) is probably the far more profitable option for you.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I think I'll hold off until the ability points cost me over 10k a piece then.

Thanks for the advice everyone. I think I'll hold off until the ability points cost me over 10k a piece then.

I'm telling (advising) you to not only not sell those Artifacts to the Bazaar (in fact I think that you never should), I'm telling that right now, while Henjutsu Training is costing you, say, "only" a few hundred to a few thousand Creds to gain another Ability Point, you can sell those Artifacts at almost any price you want -in some cases, even for Full Bazaar Purchase Price of 10,000C!! -depending upon the demand from the rest of us Players which, I assure you, is very very high 'most all of the time.

(To "prove" what I'm telling you, go to the Bazaar in HV the next time you get a chance and look in the Special/Artifacts section. It is almost always completely devoid of Artifacts, even at full price....and there used to be dozens of them there if not hundreds.)

(To "prove" what I'm telling you, go to the Bazaar in HV the next time you get a chance and look in the Special/Artifacts section. It is almost always completely devoid of Artifacts, even at full price....and there used to be dozens of them there if not hundreds.)

Caveat: Most of those old artifacts were bought up in mass quantities in a short amount of time by someone who got canned for cheating. Doesn't mean they'd still be there by now, though, there's enough high-level people here with credits to spare for artifacts at retail and I imagine we'd have bought them up over time.

Yeah Thanks. I've checked a few times and it's usually empty or has a few in it.

Yeah Thanks. I've checked a few times and it's usually empty or has a few in it.

Don't forgot that some of the player equipment stores will trade Artifact for Equipment with Artifacts worth 5000C in trade. It's a good way to upgrade your weapons and armor. Shrining Artifacts can wait until APs get too expensive to train.

Right now, my next AP training (#32) will cost me almost 8000C, which to me is still affordable. Although as I get closer to my 50th trained AP, I'll probably have to start going to the Shrine for more.

Your 36th point will cost 9944C, so that day will come sooner than you think.

The way I figure it is thus:

I can buy artifacts from players for 9000c, give or take 1k. Since about 1/3 of the artifacts I turn in to the shrine will reward me with 1 AP, I didn't start buying artifacts until my AP training cost 27000+ per AP. That way, it costs me the same amount to buy 3 artifacts, and probably get 1 AP, as it does to simply buy 1 AP directly from the trainer.

This is made even more profitable because those other 2 artifacts don't just disappear into the ether. Usually, one will give a permanent stat boost, which is awesome (and there's no other way to get there stat boosts than turning in artifacts).

However, that 3rd artifact is where the pricing formula starts getting a bit more complicated. About 1/3 of the artifacts you turn in will become ~3 Hath (sometimes you get 2, sometimes 4, most times 3). If you don't care about Hath perks, you can sell that 3 Hath for ~6500c on the Hath Exchange. That ends up refunding more than 2/3 of the original cost of the artifact. So if you plan to sell the Hath you get, you can start buying artifacts long before your AP training reaches 27k each.

And to further complicate matters, I also have a rough rule regarding how I split my credits between Ability Boost (and artifacts), and Adept Learner. Because you can spend 1 AP for +3% EXP on the Abilities tree, I value Adept Learner ranks at about 1/3 the value of Ability Boost ranks. So, I only stop buying Adept Learner ranks once they cost more than 1/3 of Ability Boost.

This whole discussion is rather academic, though, because until you level up into the mid 100s, when you can make thousands of credits an hour doing arena, you can't really throw nearly this many credits around.

Off-topic: See, this is why kids should study math (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

On-topic: All artifacts cost the same?? Or are there different levels of artifacts?

Off-topic: See, this is why kids should study math (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

On-topic: All artifacts cost the same?? Or are there different levels of artifacts?

all artifacts cost the same
no there aren't different levels of artifacts anymore

Which one of these is more ideal for grinding?


Superior Ruby Estoc of Slaughter(Level: 168)

VS

Average Diamond Longsword of Balance(Level: 187)

Which one of these is more ideal for grinding?
Superior Ruby Estoc of Slaughter(Level: 168)

VS

Average Diamond Longsword of Balance(Level: 187)

The longsword by far, the problem with estoc is that once you proc PA you still need get domino again, and hit the mobs and since they miss a lot, they have a real disadvantage against the bleeding of a longword, which once proc you can leave them bleed.
A good estoc have to be balance, so that way have a decent acc, plus a good proc chance, which very rare to find one with this parameters.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Mar 22 2010, 15:18

I need advice about proficiency.

Weapon and Armor proficiency are easy to get capped, just need time at IW. But magic proficiency it's damn too costly... it took me about 300 lesser mana and 4 hours to get 10 supportive points, and needs more 25 points to get capped.

Suportive and Curative prof just need to go to grindfest and spam till you're out of 12 mana slots.
Deprecating prof need low interference, a staff for Coalesced Mana and go to grindfest to spam till you're out of 12 mana slots.
Offensive Spells need low interference, a staff for Coalesced Mana, go to grindfest, find a monster with resistance to your spell and spam till you're out of 12 mana slots or the monster die.

- Staff prof helps to process Coalesced Mana?
- Magic Missile is a free way to process Coalesced Mana, but have the same chance to proc as another offensive spell?
- I know that when your prof it's near to your lvl, get's hard to gain more points. Make's any difference if you use a gear with prof bonus?
- How mages get so much mana to use in the battles and to raise prof? They buy at Bazaar?

This post has been edited by _MSK_: Mar 22 2010, 19:40

I need advice about proficiency.

- Staff prof helps to Coalesced Mana Coalesced Mana?
- Magic Missile is a free way to Coalesced Mana Coalesced Mana, but have the same chance to proc as another offensive spell?
- I know that when your prof it's near to your lvl, get's hard to gain more points. Make's any difference if you use a gear with prof bonus?
- How mages get so much mana to use in the battles and to raise prof? They buy at Bazaar?

1- yes increase a little, you can see that in your equip stat window
2- yes
3- no
4- They mostly cast spells, and clearing rounds in 1-2 turns doesn't cost much mana lol

Edit: you're almost at my level, sure playing +12 hours a day, a lot of patience and coffee does makes the difference.

This post has been edited by cmdct: Mar 22 2010, 19:35

I need advice about proficiency.

Here is the best advice about proficiencies: Don't worry too much about them. Keeping them capped is a waste of time. Unless they are severely under your level and you specifically need them for something (e.g. dual wielding to fight a legendary/godly), you can be perfectly successful without them.

Is there a way to reset my stats? because think I fucked up royally...

Is there a way to reset my stats? because think I fucked up royally...

Nope.
If you provide more info about your current stat layout/intend playing style, more specific advice can be given. Without it, I would say that you should spend the next few levels bringing your stats into balance. If you are a melee character, you can let Intelligence lag behind, but I wouldn't let it lag too far.

Nope.
If you provide more info about your current stat layout/intend playing style, more specific advice can be given. Without it, I would say that you should spend the next few levels bringing your stats into balance. If you are a melee character, you can let Intelligence lag behind, but I wouldn't let it lag too far.

Dang! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Str 20
Dex 15
Agi 14
End 13
Int 11
Wis 11

I only use melee attack and heal most of the time.
That stat str aside are important?