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Where do you get upgrade materials for the rare equips like the repurposed actuator? Wiki says you can't get from salvaging. I haven't gotten any of those drop from monster drops either.

Where do you get upgrade materials for the rare equips like the repurposed actuator? Wiki says you can't get from salvaging. I haven't gotten any of those drop from monster drops either.

Monster Lab

monster lab gift or buy them from other player (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Nov 14 2016, 16:17

going by the same amount of credits/hath, i guess that IA4 is a better investment than Effluent Ether, right?

EE increases item efficiency and mana uptime, but MP is one of those stats where it only really matters when it runs low. Innate Arcana would be immediately more appreciable, seeing as it means one less spell to recast every so often. I think the frustration saved by IA is more valuable given my relatively low t/s at home.

going by the same amount of credits/hath, i guess that IA4 is a better investment than Effluent Ether, right?

right.

going by the same amount of credits/hath, i guess that IA4 is a better investment than Effluent Ether, right?

That's not a super easy question.

Benefit of IA4:
For 1h, depends on whether you use Haste or not. If so, then you go from (Spark + Spirit Shield + Haste) to (Spark + Spirit Shield + Haste + Protection); you gain 1 more turn of income for every ~200 action time, and you also save a negligible amount of mana.
If you don't use Haste, then with IA4 you get Shadow Veil, which is bad. (if incoming damage is a problem, Haste > SV by far) So IA4 is useless in that case.

For mage, IA4 is always useful, you go from (Spark + Spirit Shield + Haste) to (Spark + Spirit Shield + Haste + Shadow Veil) or the other way around. You gain 1 more turn of income for every ~120 action time, plus <10 credits worth of mana saved over that 120 action time.

For non-1h, the case is pretty similar to mage since you use all buffs, you gain 1 more turn of income for every ~120 action time.

That's IA4. Regarding EE, for high-level melee players, EE is probably almost completely useless because mana draughts are so common to be nearly free, and mana potions are never needed. Maybe EE results in having to use a mana draught 11% less often or something like that, but that's nothing. (+1 turn of income every >1000 turns? therefore IA4 > EE for melee players who want to use at least one of Haste or SV)

Obviously, for mage, EE is better. It depends on forge level and damage output, but EE reduces mana potions/elixirs spent by significantly more than 10%. Let me do a GF so I can get some stats and I'll get back to you


edit: this is all assuming scrolls are never used, for ease of calculation

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Nov 14 2016, 21:27

going by the same amount of credits/hath, i guess that IA4 is a better investment than Effluent Ether, right?

Not so sure,10% base mana gives 10% more restoratives for all mana draught/potion/elixir and also works for last elixir,and I think 10% more mana from draught can save you more than 10% mana potions.
On the other hand IA4 is...kind of not so useful since it's for protection or shadow veil,both long turn and low mana cost so they won't cost you many turns and mana,and some times you may need scrolls in high difficulty GF,you won't need IA4 if use scroll of protection&shadows&swiftness.

my bad. i forgot to add that i often play DW style as well, and even Holy mage every now and then for trophies farming. sorry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

no scrolls, no last elixirs, no deep GF and no haste with 1H. but eventually keeping a void IA slot doesn't shock me too much

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Nov 14 2016, 21:31

But weren't potions based on base mana?
Even with the MP perk, you'll simply get 10% more on all MP related things. So it's the same (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

But weren't potions based on base mana?

yes, they are - at least according to abilities page

Even with the MP perk, you'll simply get 10% more on all MP related things. So it's the same (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

so basically whatever remains is a few turns spared because of autocast slot versus less spells casted, thus less chances for channelling? something like that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

so basically whatever remains is a few turns spared because of autocast slot versus less spells casted, thus less chances for channelling? something like that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

The thing is: if you have 1000 mp each spell costs X (IA too), draught heals you for Y/turn and potion heals Z.
With perk you have 1100 mp, but at that point spells cost 1.1X, draught heals for 1.1Y/turn and potion heals 1.1Z.

What's the difference? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

It's like increasing Spirit. The damage you take is still the same fraction.

The thing is: if you have 1000 mp each spell costs X (IA too), draught heals you for Y/turn and potion heals Z.
With perk you have 1100 mp, but at that point spells cost 1.1X, draught heals for 1.1Y/turn and potion heals 1.1Z.

What's the difference? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

are you sure spell cost is calculated from base MP? afaik every spell has a specific (own!) base cost, which scales with levels and is reduced by MC and prof. but it shouldn't be related to base MP tank (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

The thing is: if you have 1000 mp each spell costs X (IA too), draught heals you for Y/turn and potion heals Z.
With perk you have 1100 mp, but at that point spells cost 1.1X, draught heals for 1.1Y/turn and potion heals 1.1Z.

What's the difference? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

It's like increasing Spirit. The damage you take is still the same fraction.

Spell costs are based on your level, not base MP. Hence, they remain unchanged after unlocking EE perk, while Draughts and Potions will restore an additional 10%.

Personally I'd prefer IA4 over EE, as I regularly switch between 1H and Mage (and I'd prefer the comfort of less manual recasts). But as Super already pointed out very well, EE is by no means useless (unlike Suffusive Spirit).

Hence, they remain unchanged after unlocking EE perk, while Draughts and Potions will restore an additional 10%.

Let's add a plus. Sometimes, when I add 2 MP to the MP pool with a point of WIS, some spells increase their cost by 1. So how about that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

(too many perks with "EE" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) )

This post has been edited by ppp82p: Nov 14 2016, 23:59

EE doesn't increase your MP.

Effluent Ether Increases your base mana by 10%.

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Let's add a plus. Sometimes, when I add 2 MP to the MP pool with a point of WIS, some spells increase their cost by 1. So how about that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

only case in which i see spells raising their cost suddenly i when i just leveled up...

(too many perks with "EE" (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) )

not a problem this time. i clearly stated "Effluent Ether" at the beginning, and compared it with the similar-cost IA4. no excuses for you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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not a problem this time. i clearly stated "Effluent Ether" at the beginning, and compared it with the similar-cost IA4. no excuses for you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

nope.

Let's add a plus. Sometimes, when I add 2 MP to the MP pool with a point of WIS, some spells increase their cost by 1. So how about that? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

- The EXP you spent on increasing WIS came in conjunction with a level up
- The Wiki is wrong (last time I checked though, my spell costs were in perfect agreement with wiki formulas)
- 10b is trolling you because you are a bad person (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

nope.

you're so bad that you refuse to admit how bad your fault is? how evil of a person can you possibly be before feeling satisfied? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

- 10b is trolling you because you are a bad person (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

ditto.

- The EXP you spent on increasing WIS came in conjunction with a level up

exactly.