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post Nov 13 2016, 20:01
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Nov 13 2016, 18:35) *

Some of us are cheap and not rich to spam potions and blow credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

You're a gold star, you shouldn't need a mana potion to keep heartseeker on all the time.
And it literally costs less than a mana draughts, nothing.
Considering that in 100 turns without heartseeker you probably do as much damage as 90 with it on you're pretty much wasting credits.
I could understand if we were talking about <300lvl players that have bad equips, high interference, bad mp regen and whatever, but past level 300 everyone should keep the buffs on all the time.

QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Nov 13 2016, 18:35) *
Besides, it's very annoying how... Literally speaking, each time I use Heartseeker without channeling, on the next turn, channeling pops up (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) then I just cast Heartseeker again so it can last for ~390 turns, frustrates me.

Chance of channeling is directly correlated to the cost of the spell so obviously heartseeker has the most chance of being followed by channeling.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 13 2016, 18:36) *

personally i'm suggesting it and i don't feel so bad. reason is that you *have* to cast Regen sooner or later, and there's a fair chance that you earn a Channelling within the first 3 Regen casts. meanwhile, rounds are still quite easy, so i don't see a reason to waste a relevant amount of your MP bar this way. without leaving anything to Heartseeker awesomeness, of course.

You trade mp (worth next to nothing) with turns.
You're literally Hitler level of being bad.
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post Nov 13 2016, 20:03
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 14 2016, 01:57) *

which playstyle? if 1H, then juggernaut isn't a priority. and do you already have VV perk?


1h + power, also have 1h + shade for proficiency's sake.
No VV, Just IA2 and postage paid. Hoping to get IA 3 and VV someday though.... once I finally buy and soulfuse some power armours

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post Nov 13 2016, 20:06
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 13 2016, 19:01) *

You trade mp (worth next to nothing) with turns.
You're literally Hitler level of being bad.

you know, if at lv400 you don't already have your specific playstyle then you basically only pressed random key for 400 levels or so. or leveled only with dawns for ten years. either way, at a certain point is also a matter of tastes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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and no matter what, i cannot possibly be as bad as ppp. so what are we even speaking about? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Nov 13 2016, 20:11
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QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Nov 13 2016, 19:03) *

1h + power, also have 1h + shade for proficiency's sake.
No VV, Just IA2 and postage paid. Hoping to get IA 3 and VV someday though.... once I finally buy and soulfuse some power armours

if i can throw my two cents in, take juggernaut if it pops out with forging. but before wasting so many shards on that, go for IA3 and VV first. even if you ut them together, they are worth 500 Hath ~ 2.55 M. with the same amount you may purchase 142 shards, which basically means 28 per piece. there are people wasting way more than 30 shards on a single piece (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
on the other hand, those perks will last forever, for every build and require only a bit of hoarding (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Nov 13 2016, 20:46
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 13 2016, 13:01) *

You're a gold star, you shouldn't need a mana potion to keep heartseeker on all the time.

Who said I use Mana Potions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I specifically said I use Draughts now.
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You're literally Hitler level of being bad.


Scremaz. Shame. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

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post Nov 13 2016, 21:22
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 14 2016, 02:11) *

if i can throw my two cents in, take juggernaut if it pops out with forging. but before wasting so many shards on that, go for IA3 and VV first. even if you ut them together, they are worth 500 Hath ~ 2.55 M. with the same amount you may purchase 142 shards, which basically means 28 per piece. there are people wasting way more than 30 shards on a single piece (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
on the other hand, those perks will last forever, for every build and require only a bit of hoarding (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


Now that I think about it, I decided before that I would get Jugg so I can try and survive Ninfest when I complete my mag+ set one day..... but now I forgot about Crystarium hahaha. Guess that means I should be fine even without Jugg since I dont expect to get rich enough to buy cryst perk.

I'll be staying in Nintendo anyway just for the x2 crystals and to maybe balance out my clear speed bec bad internet. 75 rounds = 30 mins for me on Nintendo :< I just need moar power (armour) now to make it go faster and so I could go for more than 4 arenas per day.
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post Nov 13 2016, 21:32
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QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Nov 13 2016, 14:22) *

I'll be staying in Nintendo anyway just for the x2 crystals and to maybe balance out my clear speed bec bad internet. 75 rounds = 30 mins for me on Nintendo :< I just need moar power (armour) now to make it go faster and so I could go for more than 4 arenas per day.


Why only 4?

By the way, our clear speed is probably the same (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 13 2016, 22:18
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Nov 13 2016, 19:46) *

Who said I use Mana Potions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I specifically said I use Draughts now.

You said
QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Nov 13 2016, 18:35) *

Some of us are cheap and not rich to spam potions and blow credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

And I replied that at your level you normally wouldn't need potions even if you started keeping heartseeker on all the time.
If you did mean something else with your post I failed to get what you were saying (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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and no matter what, i cannot possibly be as bad as ppp. so what are we even speaking about? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)


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Obviously ppp is even worse than that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Nov 13 2016, 22:48
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post Nov 13 2016, 23:15
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Nov 13 2016, 12:35) *

Some of us are cheap and not rich to spam potions and blow credits. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)


-I'm cheap (just because I'm poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )
-Not rich > Can't spam potions nor blow credits (bad investments don't count...)

Umm, I guess I didn't explain myself good enough, my english is pretty bad since I moved from the US like... 10 years ago (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif) I live in South America, sadly no english is used here.

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post Nov 13 2016, 23:27
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QUOTE(redphil @ Nov 13 2016, 17:48) *
I know this is 4 pages back, but you also show weapon and armor damage at the bottom of the page.
I didn't see this mentioned while I was lurking and catching back up. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/lurk.gif)
If it's only in yellow it's fine to ignore it. I often have damage as well, only when equips get to 50% or below does it become useful to repair.

In terms of repair cost, it's best to wait until the last possible moment before repairing.
QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 13 2016, 17:31) *
Why is this even a thing?
The damage bonus from heartseeker is awesome and you should have it on all the time.
Everyone suggesting to wait for channeling is a bad person and should feel bad.
Agree completely. If someone waits 50 more turns for a recast buff to get Channeling in order to get Heartseeker, that's 50 turns of much less damage than one could have otherwise. It's a net loss. Best to cast Heartseeker immediately, even if you have to use a mana potion.
QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Nov 13 2016, 21:15) *
Some of us are cheap and not rich to spam potions and blow credits.
-I'm cheap (just because I'm poor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) )
-Not rich > Can't spam potions nor blow credits
Clear speed = credits income. Even for the poorest player, Heartseeker is worth it, because the alternative with much lower clear speed results in less net revenue per turn. I'm sure you could prove it to yourself with some Income Summary stats. (I'm not sure what melee income per turn is like, but it's surely high enough such that casting Heartseeker ASAP is the best strategy. Assuming the cost of Heartseeker is 85 credits for potion + two turns' opportunity cost, the alternative of having -30%? clear speed and income for 50? turns until you get a lucky Channeling definitely has a much greater opportunity cost)

It's a similar reason to why mages, even low-level mages, do very well by using Aether Shards in most situations. It's not that they all have the freedom to just throw away 1k credits on a whim, it's that the net revenue is higher that way.
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post Nov 13 2016, 23:49
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 13 2016, 22:27) *

If it's only in yellow it's fine to ignore it. I often have damage as well, only when equips get to 50% or below does it become useful to repair.

Well, if you're doing a full fest it's better to check the status before you start (yellow phases will go red during the fest if there are no perks involved) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
Apart from that I agree that is best to ignore and repair when the damage is around 51-52%.
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post Nov 13 2016, 23:54
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i usually only cast heart seeker on conjurers pursuit; if you have high supportive proficiency then it occurs pretty often when casting regen. make sure you have atleast IA 2 to keep up your support proficiency up.
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post Nov 14 2016, 00:02
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Nov 13 2016, 23:15) *

I use 7 scripts, how do you know your ping?



QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Nov 14 2016, 00:14) *

280 ms


err , I still think your t/s is kinda slow with that 280ms (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I can get around 2t/s with that 270~280ms (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

my ping is around 200~220ms when I still use 1H ( 2.6~2.8t/s ) ~ never get this ping number again after change into mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)



I think you use too many scripts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

maybe you should turn off some of those scripts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Nov 14 2016, 00:07
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QUOTE(jackalo @ Nov 13 2016, 21:54) *
i usually only cast heart seeker on conjurers pursuit; if you have high supportive proficiency then it occurs pretty often when casting regen. make sure you have atleast IA 2 to keep up your support proficiency up.
More IA = less chance of Channeling.

And relying on Regen recast to give you a Channeling takes too long. That's something like 140 turns of guaranteed low damage in exchange for a chance of possibly saving 85c or so. If you're the kind of person who cares about funds, income, or clear speed, it's not a good idea.
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post Nov 14 2016, 00:09
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Nov 13 2016, 23:02) *

err , I still think your t/s is kinda slow with that 280ms (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I can get around 2t/s with that 270~280ms (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

my ping is around 200~220ms when I still use 1H ( 2.6~2.8t/s ) ~ never get this ping number again after change into mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

my ping is 1/5th of yours and still i cannot even think about reaching such speed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Nov 13 2016, 23:02) *

I think you use too many scripts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

maybe you should turn off some of those scripts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

uh... i tried even with one script only (Reloader, btw) and t/s didn't change as well. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


either way, which are those seven scripts?
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post Nov 14 2016, 00:20
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Nov 13 2016, 19:46) *

Scremaz. Shame. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

i'm evil. no shame (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

QUOTE(ppp82p @ Nov 13 2016, 21:48) *

*coughs loudly*

did you catch a cold sir? watch out, with this recent weather it may be better for you to wear scarf and cap when going out
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post Nov 14 2016, 00:21
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 13 2016, 23:20) *

did you catch a cold sir? watch out, with this recent weather it may be better for you to wear scarf and cap when going out

I indeed have a cold (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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post Nov 14 2016, 00:28
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Nov 13 2016, 23:21) *

I indeed have a cold (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

at times it's not a bad news, i guess...
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post Nov 14 2016, 00:40
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 13 2016, 17:07) *

More IA = less chance of Channeling.

And relying on Regen recast to give you a Channeling takes too long. That's something like 140 turns of guaranteed low damage in exchange for a chance of possibly saving 85c or so. If you're the kind of person who cares about funds, income, or clear speed, it's not a good idea.


when you are doing grindfest you get channeling often enough from power gem and regen cast that you pretty much never need to cast it. heartseeker last 500+ turns, if anything you maybe need to cast heartseeker 1 time at the start and that is it. IA increases your channeling chance with higher proficiency; higher chance of channeling with fewer cast to proc.

edit: you are correct super, manually casting spells grants more chances to proc channeling but if you use IA you can potentially save mana and get the same amount of chances to proc channeling. just cast spells that are already under IA until you either have all the buffs or you get channeling. this gives the best opportunity to get channeling while keeping the chance to save extra mana from IA.

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