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Oct 10 2011, 01:45
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Spartan0021
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QUOTE(MidNightPass @ Oct 9 2011, 19:36)  For soul stone to be effective he would need to spend a lot more APs on spirit and OC tanks, but I don't think he will have sufficient APs to do so.
...What? Edit: To clarify: I think you have how it works wrong. It just straight up gives you +100 OC, meaning 100 will be made into 200, or 150 will be made into 250. Regardless of your OC or AP tanks, it gives you +33% damage (so long as you use it AFTER your OC % is maxed in the current battle). And for me, that +33% damage makes the fight that much faster (which means it hits me that much less). This post has been edited by Spartan0021: Oct 10 2011, 01:48
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Oct 10 2011, 02:18
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Rootzor
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QUOTE(Randommember @ Oct 9 2011, 11:27)  Apart from chainmail being hard to get due to it being phased out, there is no real point in it either. Yes, it is a heavy armor with worse aborption/mitigation than plate, and with less interference/burden. But then you have kevlar light armor instead, which has absorption/mitigation on par with chainmail (if not superior even), but with much less interference/burden, and has resistance and evasion to boot (never seen resistance bonus on chainmmail).
I've been collecting Plate and Chain with resist, actually. Some of it is worthwhile (the Shield Greaves, I should think) and the rest of it I'm still trying to determine. Chainmail with Resist: Head: Fair Chainmail Coif of WardingHead: Fair Chainmail Coif of ProtectionTorso: Average Chainmail Hauberk of ProtectionHands: Average Chainmail Mitons of WardingLegs: Average Chainmail Chausses of the Frost-BornPlate Mail with Resist: Torso: Average Plate Cuirass of WardingLegs: Average Shield Greaves of WardingThis post has been edited by Rootzor: Oct 10 2011, 02:21
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Oct 10 2011, 03:12
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Mi-Ala Starbreeze
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QUOTE(MidNightPass @ Oct 10 2011, 02:36)  For soul stone to be effective he would need to spend a lot more APs on spirit and OC tanks, but I don't think he will have sufficient APs to do so.
Offtopic: by the way you seem to be leveling up pretty fast. I remember you being "smaller" than me xD
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Oct 10 2011, 03:22
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MidNightPass
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QUOTE(MiAla @ Oct 10 2011, 09:12)  Offtopic: by the way you seem to be leveling up pretty fast. I remember you being "smaller" than me xD
lol You have the stars and rainbow aura though, something I don't have. If you want to, you can level hell a lot faster than me. Spartan0021: You are probably right then. This post has been edited by MidNightPass: Oct 10 2011, 03:25
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Oct 10 2011, 03:30
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Spartan0021
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So, new question.
What trophies should I turn in when? I'm assuming I should save FSM noodles until I'm a very high level, but from the level 100+ arenas I'm starting to accumulate a fair number of Mithra, Dalek, etc. trophies, and I have each RoB trophy.
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Oct 10 2011, 03:36
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MidNightPass
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QUOTE(Spartan0021 @ Oct 10 2011, 09:30)  So, new question.
What trophies should I turn in when? I'm assuming I should save FSM noodles until I'm a very high level, but from the level 100+ arenas I'm starting to accumulate a fair number of Mithra, Dalek, etc. trophies, and I have each RoB trophy.
One question you shall ask yourself, why turning in the trophies? You can get most equipments from WTS threads with high levels.
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Oct 10 2011, 03:39
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Spartan0021
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QUOTE(MidNightPass @ Oct 9 2011, 21:36)  One question you shall ask yourself, why turning in the trophies? You can get most equipments from WTS threads with high levels.
I'm guessing that I'll get an average price of 300C per equipment received, whereas the trophies (all the lower ones) sell for only 200C. As well, I see many people who have stated they received some of the best equipment I've seen from the shrine (although those may well have been higher-level trophies). In conclusion, I've never sold an equipment to the bazaar that was worth less than 179, so why not? Edit: And the equipment scales by level, so higher levels would imply better equipment. This post has been edited by Spartan0021: Oct 10 2011, 03:44
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Oct 10 2011, 03:44
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MidNightPass
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QUOTE(Spartan0021 @ Oct 10 2011, 09:39)  I'm guessing that I'll get an average price of 300C per equipment received, whereas the trophies (all the lower ones) sell for only 200C.
As well, I see many people who have stated they received some of the best equipment I've seen from the shrine (although those may well have been higher-level trophies).
In conclusion, I've never sold an equipment to the bazaar that was worth less than 179, so why not?
The fact is, the later you turn them in the higher value they have. You probably want to look for high level stuff from WTS for longer usage. Honestly I won't turn them in unless you want something badly which is very rare. eg. ethereal mace. Anyway, it's a personal choice.
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Oct 10 2011, 09:27
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Mi-Ala Starbreeze
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QUOTE(MidNightPass @ Oct 10 2011, 04:22)  lol You have the stars and rainbow aura though, something I don't have. If you want to, you can level hell a lot faster than me.
A-yup, I missed about three weeks of leveling for now. I've been trying to gather up that 500 hath amount. As for trophies, I'd turn them in any day. Assuming my own "luck" I will never ever get a piece of equipment which will be worthy WTSing instead of throwing it to Akara for ~800 cr.
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Oct 10 2011, 09:32
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Chounyuu
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QUOTE(Spartan0021 @ Oct 10 2011, 01:39)  I'm guessing that I'll get an average price of 300C per equipment received, whereas the trophies (all the lower ones) sell for only 200C.
As well, I see many people who have stated they received some of the best equipment I've seen from the shrine (although those may well have been higher-level trophies).
In conclusion, I've never sold an equipment to the bazaar that was worth less than 179, so why not?
Edit: And the equipment scales by level, so higher levels would imply better equipment.
I personally am keeping all my trophies for much later.
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Oct 10 2011, 12:44
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n125
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I would only consider turning in rare-tier trophies at low levels if you need to complement your credit gain. Most of these will yield junk, and when you're strapped for money, an extra 250-500 credits is pretty welcome. I still turn them in daily; I can count the number of Phase pieces I've gotten from them on one hand so I don't really regret not saving them up. I can understand hording Noodly Appendages, however.
Well, now the arena clear bonuses are much nicer, so it's probably easier to get more credits at lower levels. Anyway, yeah, it's a personal choice. I'd say it just depends on how urgently you need credits.
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Oct 10 2011, 17:02
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hzqr
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QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Sep 26 2011, 19:46)  No gap. And Cloak of the Fallen won't let you die on the same turn SoL triggers, so technically you're immortal. Correction: Spark of Life doesn't re-trigger when your MP is lower than 25%. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Oct 10 2011, 19:12
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skillchip
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QUOTE(buktore @ Oct 7 2011, 15:51)  Could you elaborate on this? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) I'm kinda suspect that DW might take longer overall (and more cumbersome to play) than 2H mainly because you had to hit all the shit mobs first... I didn't think that an eth club would take longer than vanilla mace though, so I'm kinda surprise and curious. I wanna try it myself for quite some time, but I lack the equipment to do it... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) So any input about this is appreciated. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) K I know its a few pages back, but oh well. To elaborate, on normal difficulty (since those stupid girls take WAY too long on anything higher) and I am only doing it for trophies. I tried to use both my Mace: Exquisite Mace of Slaughter and compared it to my Dual-Wield Set: MH: Fine Ethereal Club of Slaughter OH: Average Rapier of SlaughterWhen using the mace rounds 1-49 went by like nothing, but rounds 50-100 took longer because two of the four girls are strong against crushing damage, and the one that is weak against it the bonus damage only takes my damage the same it would be if I was using void. Not much damage is taken though at the start of the round because in my first few swings, everything is stunned or dead. Stats when 2H and Shade Armor 2106.4 base damage 94.2 % hit chance 34.3 % crit chance In comparison when I used my Eth Slaughter Club and Slaughter Rapier (wish it was eth) my single target damage is pretty ridiculous. Some of the crits put out are 14k+. The only downside is the start of each round can hurt when mobs use their skills right off, because I have to single target who I am attacking, and all the rounds take awhile. This increase of time on the single targeting phase before I start bashing the Schoolgirls is offset by how much more damage, and thus how much faster the Schoolgirls themselves go down. Stats with Dual Wield and Shade Armor 2029.1 base damage 95.1 % hit chance 37.7 % crit chance All in all, the time spent in the Schoolgirl Arenas is about the same for me when I am using DW or 2H with my current set up. On the Schoolgirls I usually cast weaken only so my damage is increased against them. I found it was a good investment and saved me quite a bit on healing. I have Innate Arcana running Haste and Spirit Shield, and try to keep Heartseeker up as much as possible (channeling permitting) Does that answer all you were asking Buktore?
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Oct 10 2011, 22:03
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gayeah
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Since the Equpiment Advice thread seems to have disappeared, I'll ask this here. Any opinions on which one is better, especially in terms of actual damage dealt after all the modifiers and bonuses are applied? Did Tenb ever post the forumla? Exquisite Ebony Staff of DestructionFine Ebony Staff of Destruction
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Oct 10 2011, 22:07
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DragonRanger
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I don't mean to sound condescending at all, but the Exquisite is clearly the better of the two.
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Oct 10 2011, 22:38
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gayeah
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Overall, the exquisite is definitely better, but what about just in terms of magic damage, after MDM and the various EDBs are factored in? Is the exquisite still much better?
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Oct 10 2011, 22:56
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skillchip
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Are you trolling? Cause the Equisite looks better in EVERY way, including but not limited to, Magic Damage, EDB, Prof, and Int
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Oct 10 2011, 22:59
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DragonRanger
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He's asking about the amount of magic damage each staff would do. I don't know if anyone has managed to figure out the formula for that, but why not just try both out in battle and compare them?
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Oct 10 2011, 23:01
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Slobber
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I can't tell for sure since I'm above level 251, but I'm guessing that the fine staff actually has *higher* base MDM than the exquisite. Hence why Gayeah asked the question to begin with.
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Oct 10 2011, 23:01
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Rootzor
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I should think the significantly-better Proficiency bonuses far outweigh the straight damage bonuses, which aren't all that different anyway. The Exquisite has about twice the Elemental Proficiency bonus of the Fine.
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