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post Nov 3 2016, 21:00
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 3 2016, 14:41) *

I know that the best approved combination at high levels is 1h+shield+power armor for the high block, high mitigation and high attack bonus, but would dw+shade armor of fleet/shadowdancer with high parry, high resist and high evade be good too, or would you get mauled (maybe because no piercing mitigation)?
Just curious.


Works fine for me, good luck doing pfudorfest with it though.
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post Nov 3 2016, 21:12
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These days, I spend 5 Tokens of Blood to fight Spaghetti Monster because his trophy is worth 34-40k in WTB (plus the other three SGs).

Is this the optimal way to use them?
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post Nov 3 2016, 21:17
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QUOTE(LordDyhalto @ Nov 3 2016, 20:12) *

These days, I spend 5 Tokens of Blood to fight Spaghetti Monster because his trophy is worth 34-40k in WTB (plus the other three SGs).

Is this the optimal way to use them?

another way is to gamble Konata ROB to try to convert them into Chaos Tokens, presumably with a better ratio. it *should* be higher than 5:1, but you won't earn any noodle

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post Nov 3 2016, 21:18
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QUOTE(LordDyhalto @ Nov 3 2016, 20:12) *

These days, I spend 5 Tokens of Blood to fight Spaghetti Monster because his trophy is worth 34-40k in WTB (plus the other three SGs).

Is this the optimal way to use them?


I'm not an expert, but i'll quote one, from the previous page:
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RoB rewards: https://ehwiki.org/wiki/ring_of_blood

Simply do all ring of blood challenges at least once for the first time clear bonus and then only do Flying Spagetti Monster since it gives the best profit/token ratio.

You should do it at the highest difficulty you feel comfortable with the have a better chance of a good drop.

You can only do each RoB once per day, so hoarding tokens serve no purpose.


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post Nov 3 2016, 21:24
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 3 2016, 14:17) *

another way is to gamble Konata ROB to try to convert them into Chaos Tokens

This is actually a pretty neat idea.


(sure wish I'd hoarded Noodles from back in the 3/fight days).
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post Nov 3 2016, 21:40
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QUOTE(LordDyhalto @ Nov 3 2016, 20:24) *

This is actually a pretty neat idea.
(sure wish I'd hoarded Noodles from back in the 3/fight days).

if nothing else, at least it won't require uberstrong gears (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

should someone do this, please report results here.
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post Nov 3 2016, 22:09
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About shade armor, are the only decent suffixes fleet/shadowdancer or is negation decent too?
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 3 2016, 21:09) *

About shade armor, are the only decent suffixes fleet/shadowdancer or is negation decent too?

Evade procs before Resist and works for both physical and magical attacks, so Negation is worse than Fleet/SD. still a decent and cheap way to fill a missing slot though - especially if Savage prefixed

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post Nov 3 2016, 22:55
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 3 2016, 21:14) *

Evade procs before Resist and works for both physical and magical attacks, so Negation is worse than Fleet/SD. still a decent and cheap way to fill a missing slot though - especially if Savage prefixed

Thanks for the answers (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Another question, what are the best PABs for a shield with 3 PABs?
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post Nov 3 2016, 23:00
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 3 2016, 21:55) *

Thanks for the answers (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Another question, what are the best PABs for a shield with 3 PABs?

STR, DEX and END for a 1H Power build (Force Shield suggested because of bigger market). DEX, AGI and END for a 1H mage build - possibly a Buckler of Barrier (Nimble as second choice)
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post Nov 4 2016, 04:24
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 4 2016, 05:00) *

STR, DEX and END for a 1H Power build (Force Shield suggested because of bigger market). DEX, AGI and END for a 1H mage build - possibly a Buckler of Barrier (Nimble as second choice)

In addition,I know some 1H shade build choice STR, DEX and AGI,it'll give up some health bouns and pmi bouns but get more evade. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Nov 4 2016, 11:33
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QUOTE(issary @ Nov 4 2016, 03:24) *

In addition,I know some 1H shade build choice STR, DEX and AGI,it'll give up some health bouns and pmi bouns but get more evade. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

at that point i'd personally go with DEX, AGI, END as well. the boost in HP you earn from an average END roll (maybe forged a bit) is comparable to VV perk, you know.
or i'd go again with STR, DEX, END just in order not to have too much Evade. and for the same reason i'd replace all the Fleets with Savage Negation/Arcanist. Shadowdancer can still be kept, but just because of the Crit bonus.

just saying.
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post Nov 4 2016, 13:25
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 4 2016, 10:33) *

at that point i'd personally go with DEX, AGI, END as well. the boost in HP you earn from an average END roll (maybe forged a bit) is comparable to VV perk, you know.
or i'd go again with STR, DEX, END just in order not to have too much Evade. and for the same reason i'd replace all the Fleets with Savage Negation/Arcanist. Shadowdancer can still be kept, but just because of the Crit bonus.

just saying.

How come you'd prefer not have too much evade?
And another thing, in my equipment should i prefer having higher physical or magical mitigation?
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post Nov 4 2016, 13:29
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1h shade is bad and anyone uses it should feel bad.
Slow as hell, not so much more defensive than 1h heavy.
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post Nov 4 2016, 13:34
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 4 2016, 12:25) *

How come you'd prefer not have too much evade?

Evade is for pussies, real men take the damage head-on.
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 4 2016, 12:34) *

Evade is for pussies, real men take the damage head-on.

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Real men fist the monsters with bare hands (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Nov 4 2016, 13:46
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 4 2016, 12:25) *

How come you'd prefer not have too much evade?

because 1H style heavily relies in Block and the counter-proc it grants. Evade has priority over Block, so too much Evade hinders 1H style. as a result it may be still quite defensive (lack of Piercing mitigation apart) but surely slower than regular 1H Power.

QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 4 2016, 12:25) *

And another thing, in my equipment should i prefer having higher physical or magical mitigation?

you're approaching a sort of transition in which Magical attacks hit quite hard, but there's a series of supportive spells like Spirit Shield and Spark for that. on the other hand, regular Physical attacks are not so powerful yet very frequent, so you may want to prioritize PMI over MMI

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Real men fist the monsters with bare hands (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

go read the Tales of a Naked Warrior, you may find it interesting (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Nov 4 2016, 14:06
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Nov 4 2016, 12:29) *

1h shade is bad and anyone uses it should feel bad.
Slow as hell, not so much more defensive than 1h heavy.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 4 2016, 12:46) *

because 1H style heavily relies in Block and the counter-proc it grants. Evade has priority over Block, so too much Evade hinders 1H style. as a result it may be still quite defensive (lack of Piercing mitigation apart) but surely slower than regular 1H Power.

Ok, i'll go with shade armor only if i decide to make a dw or 2h build, then.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 4 2016, 12:46) *
go read the Tales of a Naked Warrior, you may find it interesting (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

What is this? I can't find it.
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QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 4 2016, 13:06) *

Ok, i'll go with shade armor only if i decide to make a dw or 2h build, then.

btw, one may also decide to go with 2H Power. lack of Resist/Evade wouldn't make that big of a difference since 2H is so broken that it can be played safely only on low difficulties nowadays.
that is, unless certain optimizations, forging, a whole lot of deprecative spells used and so on.

QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Nov 4 2016, 13:06) *

What is this? I can't find it.

it's a secret book writte by boulay-kun. but not so secret, since it can be found in this very thread (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
btw, it's based on an old patch, so now things may be a bit easier. or harder. who knows (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 4 2016, 13:30) *

btw, one may also decide to go with 2H Power. lack of Resist/Evade wouldn't make that big of a difference since 2H is so broken that it can be played safely only on low difficulties nowadays.
that is, unless certain optimizations, forging, a whole lot of deprecative spells used and so on.

Ok, 2h is out then; what is the best weapon combination for dw, instead?

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