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post Oct 29 2016, 07:05
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err , what fest ?
PF (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

GS is the best option here but more expensive than that 3 perks combine (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

VV is good , RR isn't that good , cryst2 is good (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Oct 29 2016, 07:14
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QUOTE(Unindex @ Oct 29 2016, 04:55) *
Which is more preferable: VV, RR, Crystanium 2, aim for the stars, or? I currently can do 600 fest round max.
Depends on your style, equipment quality, and training. Archaeologist might be as effective as low levels of Crystarium.

VV is essential for full mage, probably before everything else. (Is it that useful for 1h mage? I dunno) 1h doesn't need it much since they're so tanky already... it's useful, but a few other things are more useful first.

RR is junky unless all other basic upgrades are finished, and even then takes ages to pay off.

Also consider getting the first damage perk, if you don't already have it. It's costly, but it's a huge permanent upgrade.
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post Oct 29 2016, 08:05
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Yes, PF. After 500 rounds it turns to a massive-spirit-consumption-fest. Maybe I should learn to use Defend.
Still hard choices eh
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post Oct 29 2016, 08:11
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Yes, PF. After 500 rounds it turns to a massive-spirit-consumption-fest. Maybe I should learn to use Defend.
Still hard choices eh

err , don't use it ~ just flee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


What style that you use now ?
if 1H , than you maybe need to increase your ADB & block chance (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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post Oct 29 2016, 08:11
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Yes, PF. After 500 rounds it turns to a massive-spirit-consumption-fest. Maybe I should learn to use Defend.
Still hard choices eh
PF likely not worth it, try some rounds on IWBTH instead. (IWBTH and lower will also get relatively better with more Crystarium since you'll get deeper) You can try Income Summary, you'll probably find that IWBTH gives significantly more credits/turn if you have very frequent Cures and spirit problems on PF. You take a lot more damage on PF.

Defend is not worth using
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post Oct 29 2016, 08:17
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After seeing the past few auctions for slaughter power armours I dont think I'll get a full set by the time I'm around 330 x_x

Would it be better to go for mag. of slaughter/balance or leg. balance set
Dunno the gap per quality type when upgrading to forge 5.
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post Oct 29 2016, 09:09
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 29 2016, 08:11) *

err , don't use it ~ just flee (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
What style that you use now ?
if 1H , than you maybe need to increase your ADB & block chance (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Doubt that's gonna change much. But here's my current equips anyway:
Magnificent Hallowed Rapier of Slaughter
Legendary Savage Power Helmet of Protection
Legendary Jade Power Armor of Protection
Legendary Zircon Power Gauntlets of Slaughter
Legendary Onyx Power Leggings of Protection
Legendary Ruby Power Boots of Balance


QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 29 2016, 08:11) *

PF likely not worth it, try some rounds on IWBTH instead. (IWBTH and lower will also get relatively better with more Crystarium since you'll get deeper) You can try Income Summary, you'll probably find that IWBTH gives significantly more credits/turn if you have very frequent Cures and spirit problems on PF. You take a lot more damage on PF.

Defend is not worth using


IIRC, 2x 1000rounds IWBTH gained 50k each vs 100k each in 2x 500rounds PF without crystal perk, an experiment I ran back then. The samples were too small though and could be fluctuated heavily due to artifact drops.
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post Oct 29 2016, 09:23
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QUOTE(Unindex @ Oct 29 2016, 07:09) *
IIRC, 2x 1000rounds IWBTH gained 50k each vs 100k each in 2x 500rounds PF without crystal perk, an experiment I ran back then. The samples were too small though and could be fluctuated heavily due to artifact drops.
Was that with Income Summary or with something less sophisticated? Income Summary takes every single thing into consideration (except rare tier Mag+ gears that sometimes skew credits gained), and it normalizes artifact drops as well. Even with single GF runs I've found the deviation of its stats to be quite low, probably on the order of 5%. It's really tedious to come up with a pretty accurate result manually

In addition to DD perk, you might think about getting low ADB Legendary Slaughter armor and/or a Legendary Slaughter rapier. They're both much less expensive now than they were in the past, and they're perfectly fine to use for ages and to moderately forge.
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post Oct 29 2016, 10:10
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Was that with Income Summary or with something less sophisticated? Income Summary takes every single thing into consideration (except rare tier Mag+ gears that sometimes skew credits gained), and it normalizes artifact drops as well. Even with single GF runs I've found the deviation of its stats to be quite low, probably on the order of 5%. It's really tedious to come up with a pretty accurate result manually

In addition to DD perk, you might think about getting low ADB Legendary Slaughter armor and/or a Legendary Slaughter rapier. They're both much less expensive now than they were in the past, and they're perfectly fine to use for ages and to moderately forge.


With your Income Summary, possibly with that normalizer ticked off (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) That and taking the extra stamina cost (90k) into account I gotta go with the safe road (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) I'll take a test again someday though.

Been smart searching for them but they were either too high level I can't even soulfuse or too pricey. Any prefix rapier is good for grindfest? I saw one in auction now, this one ☆Legendary☆ Arctic Rapier(1H) of Slaughter.

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post Oct 29 2016, 12:18
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i'm planning a few invstments and i'm wondering what may be the improvement of switching from Mag Savage Power Armors of Slaughter to Leg whatever Power Armors of Slaughter. any hints?


QUOTE(Unindex @ Oct 29 2016, 10:10) *

Been smart searching for them but they were either too high level I can't even soulfuse or too pricey. Any prefix rapier is good for grindfest? I saw one in auction now, this one ☆Legendary☆ Arctic Rapier(1H) of Slaughter.

one of the best prefixes for 1H rapier would indeed be Arctic, since it can be paired efficiently with Fire Spike. seems a nice weapon and close to your level. if you can afford it, go for it.
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post Oct 29 2016, 12:44
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Thanks. I'll go for it, here comes bid war
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post Oct 29 2016, 16:06
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Don't know if this was answered and I'm pretty sure i won't go through 4500 pages, but should i use the shop to buy equipment often or hope for a drop when lvling
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post Oct 29 2016, 16:19
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Don't know if this was answered and I'm pretty sure i won't go through 4500 pages, but should i use the shop to buy equipment often or hope for a drop when lvling

at your lvl , better just buy it in bazaar or just try to ask some free equipment for newbie in WTS shop like FS (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


selfdrop is very hard in HV , even at my current lvl (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

unless your username is danixxx (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Oct 29 2016, 16:19
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Hi guys, at which level is it recommended to start using the various types of equipment?
Like, at what level should i start using superior/exquisite/magnificent/legendary/peerless gear?
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post Oct 29 2016, 16:22
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So I just buy a lot of hath to reach 1000 hath and be able to unlock Divine Warmage, but first I want to know what's my current average damage, to compare with my damage when I will unlock the perk.

I re-installed "HVStat 5.6.8.2 (9th February 2015), HV Statistics, Tracking, and Analysis Tool" ( side note: firefox don't seems to be happy with it because it's not a "checked" add-on) And I figure out that it just don't work with reloader.

Is there a way to make it work with reloader? Because it's such a pain to spend 3x more times to do the same thing without reloader...
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post Oct 29 2016, 16:26
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Hi guys, at which level is it recommended to start using the various types of equipment?
Like, at what level should i start using superior/exquisite/magnificent/legendary/peerless gear?
I would say take whatever vendor trash that matches your playstyle until Level 250 or so, as a decent amount of Level 300+ Magnificent/Legendary equipment passes through the WTS forum. Soulfusing them becomes practical around Level 250.
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post Oct 29 2016, 16:42
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QUOTE(zjamez @ Oct 29 2016, 14:06) *
Don't know if this was answered and I'm pretty sure i won't go through 4500 pages, but should i use the shop to buy equipment often or hope for a drop when lvling
The bazaar? Very often, almost constantly, until you're over level 200, probably, because you'll be near unable to find low level equips elsewhere.
QUOTE(gianfrix94 @ Oct 29 2016, 14:19) *
Hi guys, at which level is it recommended to start using the various types of equipment?
Like, at what level should i start using superior/exquisite/magnificent/legendary/peerless gear?
As soon as you see it available at a level you can use you can start thinking about getting the funds together to buy it, if your budget can support it. The bottleneck is pretty natural, mostly revolving around basic equipment availability before 200, and then around soul fragment stock between 250-350.
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post Oct 29 2016, 18:28
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sorry to repeat it, but i'd really need an answer. i have a pending deal and i don't know how long the other person will still wait (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

i'm planning a few invstments and i'm wondering what may be the improvement of switching from Mag Savage Power Armors of Slaughter to Leg whatever Power Armors of Slaughter. any hints?
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post Oct 29 2016, 18:40
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i'm planning a few invstments and i'm wondering what may be the improvement of switching from Mag Savage Power Armors of Slaughter to Leg whatever Power Armors of Slaughter. any hints?

After switching a piece from ~LMax non-slaughter to ~MMax slaughter I can say you this.

forged to 5 Leg non-Slaughter helmet -> forged to 5 Mag Slaughter helmet = +120
forged to 5 Leg non-Slaughter gauntlets -> unforged Leg Slaughter gauntlets = +140

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post Oct 29 2016, 18:49
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sorry to repeat it, but i'd really need an answer. i have a pending deal and i don't know how long the other person will still wait (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

i'm planning a few invstments and i'm wondering what may be the improvement of switching from Mag Savage Power Armors of Slaughter to Leg whatever Power Armors of Slaughter. any hints?
Depends on how much Savage increases clear speed by, which depends on how many hits it takes you to kill an average monster on the difficulty you play most often. Those with good stats on low difficulty would certainly prefer mediocre ADB L Power Slaughter over Mag Savage Slaughter.

You can look at recent auctions for an idea. I've tried auctioning Mag Savage Slaughters a few times, but past level 450, they rarely go for 50k, and often go unsold. On the other hand, plain Leg Power Slaughter above 450 still goes for a decent amount, 1m+ usually, even for only middling ADB. I'd say to trust the market's intuition on this - Legendary is surely better than Mag Savage. (You can also much more easily justify forging Legs, unlike Mags past 0.81)

The consistent higher damage of additional ADB is better than variable crits and overdamage.
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