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Oct 27 2016, 21:17
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Maximum_Carnage
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 27 2016, 20:43)  you do know that by IWing a shield you'll only earn a bit of elemental mitigations and the chance to rename it, right?
Oh god, I just noticed it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I thought you could also gain Juggernaut. I looked at wrong column (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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Oct 27 2016, 21:24
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Cleavs
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 24,317
Joined: 18-January 07

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QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Oct 27 2016, 21:05)  Wanted to at least have a bit more mitigation since I screw up buffs and heals from time to time. But maybe I could try 4 slaughter + 1 protection then. Just need to save up more QQ
uh. well, it's not like your PMI will raise *so* much. just playing with Protection, Spirit Shield and eventually Spark spells should already be all that you need. i also think you should go for Slaughter as much as possible. QUOTE(Dragon Ninja @ Oct 27 2016, 21:17)  Oh god, I just noticed it (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I thought you could also gain Juggernaut. I looked at wrong column (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) no, no juggernaut or capacitor. best things you can earn are a bit of mitigations against the most hard-hitting mobs - basically Holyproof and Fireproof. but you cannot have them if your shield is already Zircon or Ruby, respectively. just saying.
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Oct 27 2016, 22:12
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ankwchi
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 1,000
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How high do my equipment base proficiency needs to be to reach a 1.0 prof_factor?
Thanks in advance.
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Oct 27 2016, 22:28
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Superlatanium
Group: Gold Star Club
Posts: 7,645
Joined: 27-November 13

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 27 2016, 18:43)  you do know that by IWing a shield you'll only earn a bit of elemental mitigations and the chance to rename it, right? Agree, not worth it in most cases QUOTE(ankwchi @ Oct 27 2016, 20:12)  How high do my equipment base proficiency needs to be to reach a 1.0 prof_factor? https://ehwiki.org/wiki/Proficiencies#EffectsIt depends on your personal stats, no one else can say
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Oct 27 2016, 22:30
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Juggernaut Santa
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Oct 27 2016, 21:05)  fuuuuu I already went for one of the helmets in super's auction. Well at least I'll be getting more mitigation if I do win it Wanted to at least have a bit more mitigation since I screw up buffs and heals from time to time. But maybe I could try 4 slaughter + 1 protection then. Just need to save up more QQ
I'm protectionless since lv 310 or so. I'm not saying it's not useful. It's more like you don't need it. Balance or Slaughter increase your damage output. Protection mainly makes your wallet lighter. At that point you may lighten it a little more and get a whole bunch of adb (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Oct 28 2016, 05:24
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Almanik
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Any advice is welcome. 
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Oct 28 2016, 05:34
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jackalo
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QUOTE(Almanik @ Oct 27 2016, 21:24)  Any advice is welcome.  wisdom is a little high for 1h. If you ever plan on getting mage gear which most people make that switch around 310, make sure you start grinding elemental proficiency cause once you hit 250 you current proficiency rate gets divided by 5x. (at level 250 you will gain proficiency 5 times slower than you do now) so if i were you i would start grinding elemental proficiency and staff proficiency to atleast 100-150 before you hit 250 otherwise it is going to be a lot slow than what it would be now.
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Oct 28 2016, 05:34
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Superlatanium
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Probably time to dump those gears that are almost half your level, stats will be quite low by now. Even Averages from the bazaar might be better. Weapon is solid, you can probably keep it for a long time yet. (If you IW to 10, you'll gain some 20% more damage overall, which is the sort of benefit richer players pay hundreds of millions for) Mainly, just keep leveling up until more stuff becomes available to you. QUOTE(jackalo @ Oct 28 2016, 03:34)  wisdom is a little high for 1h. If you ever plan on getting mage gear which most people make that switch around 310, make sure you start grinding elemental proficiency cause once you hit 250 you current proficiency rate gets divided by 5x. (at level 250 you will gain proficiency 5 times slower than you do now)
so if i were you i would start grinding elemental proficiency and staff proficiency to atleast 100-150 before you hit 250 otherwise it is going to be a lot slow than what it would be now. I don't think so. Unless someone's planning on switching soon (within the next couple levels), I don't think prof grinding is worth it, since it'll frequently be a sunk (time) investment that never really pays off. Maging only becomes barely possible at 310; it takes longer for 1h maging to become good, I think (partly due to the availability of gears), and even longer for pure maging to become viable. I think it's way too far out for a level 200 player to worry about. This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Oct 28 2016, 05:37
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Oct 28 2016, 05:45
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jackalo
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 27 2016, 21:34)  Probably time to dump those gears that are almost half your level, stats will be quite low by now. Even Averages from the bazaar might be better.
Weapon is solid, you can probably keep it for a long time yet. (If you IW to 10, you'll gain some 20% more damage overall, which is the sort of benefit richer players pay hundreds of millions for)
Mainly, just keep leveling up until more stuff becomes available to you. I don't think so. Unless someone's planning on switching soon (within the next couple levels), I don't think prof grinding is worth it, since it'll frequently be a sunk (time) investment that never really pays off.
Maging only becomes barely possible at 310; it takes longer for 1h maging to become good, I think (partly due to the availability of gears), and even longer for pure maging to become viable. I think it's way too far out for a level 200 player to worry about.
just dont want him/her to go through what i am right now and that is tring to grind proficiency in elemental and staff from 0. makes me want to smash my head into my keyboard and im still only at 160 elemental and 110 staff. i still even do hard arenas with all legendary phase and fiery redwood destruction. This post has been edited by jackalo: Oct 28 2016, 05:46
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Oct 28 2016, 10:24
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(jackalo @ Oct 28 2016, 05:45)  just dont want him/her to go through what i am right now and that is tring to grind proficiency in elemental and staff from 0. makes me want to smash my head into my keyboard and im still only at 160 elemental and 110 staff. i still even do hard arenas with all legendary phase and fiery redwood destruction.
thanks for your hint, but nothing in his stats suggests he wants to switch to mage soon. i agree he'd better going on with 1H build atm and eventually farming maging prof later, when it will be a bit easier.
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Oct 28 2016, 10:57
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 28 2016, 10:21)  is that 0.08 prof make a different this much or this different is from holy vs dark itself ? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Holy vs Dark is 10% MMI, which is pretty significant for no imperil. 1.0 prof factor vs 0.92 should be 50% mitigation reduction vs 44% mitigation reduction. Also note that you're higher level (my magic score would be higher at your level). The rest is probably due to luck (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Oct 28 2016, 11:01
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 28 2016, 08:57)  Holy vs Dark is 10% MMI, which is pretty significant for no imperil. 1.0 prof factor vs 0.92 should be 50% mitigation reduction vs 44% mitigation reduction. Yeah. That's pretty big (not unlike an additional damage perk). Combine with holy proc's effect, I'm not surprised that performance is high.
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Oct 28 2016, 11:08
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nobody_xxx
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 28 2016, 15:57)  Holy vs Dark is 10% MMI, which is pretty significant for no imperil. 1.0 prof factor vs 0.92 should be 50% mitigation reduction vs 44% mitigation reduction. Also note that you're higher level (my magic score would be higher at your level). The rest is probably due to luck (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Our lvl different just 8 lvl and I don't think you can increase magic score that high with 3+2 build unless you using full radiant at 3 phase (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) 5K magic score with just 8lvl different from lvl up , you sure (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) That mean you will surpass 42k magic score with 3+2 build at lvl 500 while djack need 5 radiant plus 1 LHKD with full upgrade to reach 40k magic score at lvl 500 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) Nirvarin ( lvl482) only have 2k magic score higher than me with his 3+2 build ( 1 radiant cap plus peerless phase with 50 upgrade ) , so increasing magic score isn't easy with 3+2 build plus you don't use LHKD (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I think that 10MMI is main different here , I will try 1.0 prof later on (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Oct 28 2016, 11:20
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Oct 28 2016, 11:14
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Epion
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Curiosity about scrolls FOR HIGH LEVEL SUPER RICH PLAYERS WHEN MAGING. I see several, depending heavily on scrolls. Even people that you will never convince me that they don't already have full IA perks. I can understand that holy/dark mages don't need the spell "protect" since scrolls give better effect and the "spike shield" is not exactly useful. But even elemental mages do. With full IAs unlocked you have all the scroll effects up 24/24. What's the deal here? The "upkeep"? It doesn't make sense to me... Throw me a bone here pls.
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Oct 28 2016, 11:25
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Sapo84
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 28 2016, 11:08)  5K magic score with just 8lvl different from lvl up , you sure (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) I'm not saying the difference is the level, but I should at least get to something like 18.5k or something at your level. Also start imperiling, you have a willow staff, make us of it with a 4+1 build (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) QUOTE(Epion @ Oct 28 2016, 11:14)  Curiosity about scrolls FOR HIGH LEVEL SUPER RICH PLAYERS WHEN MAGING. I see several, depending heavily on scrolls. Even people that you will never convince me that they don't already have full IA perks. I can understand that holy/dark mages don't need the spell "protect" since scrolls give better effect and the "spike shield" is not exactly useful. But even elemental mages do. With full IAs unlocked you have all the scroll effects up 24/24. What's the deal here? The "upkeep"? It doesn't make sense to me... Throw me a bone here pls.
Mages don't really care about mitigation reduction from spike shield, the idea is to have 0 mitigation thanks to prof + imperil so the effect of spike shield is pretty much useless. 50% damage reduction instead of 30% is instead pretty significant. The same holds true for all the other scroll vs spells. Just check the difference between spark from spell and spark from scroll and imagine how significant that is when you spark very few rounds. You cannot PFUDORFest with spells alone. This post has been edited by Sapo84: Oct 28 2016, 11:26
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Oct 28 2016, 11:26
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Superlatanium
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 28 2016, 09:23)  err , scroll have x2 effect compare with normal cast (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Yeah, something like that. Scrolls provide extra oomph compared to spells with max AP, so for fragile mages, scrolls really help reduce damage taken.
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Oct 28 2016, 11:42
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nobody_xxx
Group: Gold Star Club
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 28 2016, 17:25)  I'm not saying the difference is the level, but I should at least get to something like 18.5k or something at your level. Also start imperiling, you have a willow staff, make us of it with a 4+1 build (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Mages don't really care about mitigation reduction from spike shield, the idea is to have 0 mitigation thanks to prof + imperil so the effect of spike shield is pretty much useless. 50% damage reduction instead of 30% is instead pretty significant. The same holds true for all the other scroll vs spells. Just check the difference between spark from spell and spark from scroll and imagine how significant that is when you spark very few rounds. You cannot PFUDORFest with spells alone. err , I'm lazy to cast imperil (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) still need to wait for 0.85 patch to see what will happen to us (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 28 2016, 17:26)  Yeah, something like that. Scrolls provide extra oomph compared to spells with max AP, so for fragile mages, scrolls really help reduce damage taken.
scrolls main use for GF (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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