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Oct 22 2016, 19:26
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NerfThis
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 22 2016, 22:10)  if you want to use willow, change your cap with pants prof (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) if pmax fully forged and have prof perk prof factor roughly willow dest + pants > 0.7 willow dest + cap = 0.68 redwood dest + shoes = 0.7 QUOTE(yukikiss @ Oct 22 2016, 22:27)  but how much better is willow compared to redwood?
Willow is good in late round on pfest. If you don't mind resist imperil, you don't need willow. If you don't play pfest, you don't need willow. If you have very good redwood, you don't need normal willow. This post has been edited by hansvar92: Oct 22 2016, 19:44
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Oct 22 2016, 19:45
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Noni
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QUOTE(hansvar92 @ Oct 22 2016, 19:26)  if pmax prof factor roughly pants > 0.7 cap = 0.68
with prof perk Willow is good in late round on pfest. If you don't mind resist imperil, you don't need willow. If you don't play pfest, you don't need willow. If you have very good redwood, you don't need normal willow.
Ok guys, I'm realy getting confused now.... I have a LARD that I bought for multiple millions, and a LEWD (also arctic, but that acronym was too good to miss out) bought for 50k. Please don't tell me that I should use the willow in stead of the redwood on PFfest? Or is this not valid for arctic? Just for reference': I can now play 300 rounds of PFfest with the LARD in 30 minutes before I have to flee.
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Oct 22 2016, 20:35
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Oct 22 2016, 19:45)  Ok guys, I'm realy getting confused now....
I have a LARD that I bought for multiple millions, and a LEWD (also arctic, but that acronym was too good to miss out) bought for 50k. Please don't tell me that I should use the willow in stead of the redwood on PFfest? Or is this not valid for arctic? Just for reference': I can now play 300 rounds of PFfest with the LARD in 30 minutes before I have to flee.
cold and fire mages are almost forced to use redwood. the counterpart would be oak - if only an useful suffix existed. but since it doesn't, redwood is the only viable option.
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Oct 22 2016, 20:46
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NerfThis
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Oct 23 2016, 02:45)  Ok guys, I'm realy getting confused now....
I have a LARD that I bought for multiple millions, and a LEWD (also arctic, but that acronym was too good to miss out) bought for 50k. Please don't tell me that I should use the willow in stead of the redwood on PFfest? Or is this not valid for arctic? Just for reference': I can now play 300 rounds of PFfest with the LARD in 30 minutes before I have to flee.
You means ethereal prefix willow for cold mage? That's abnormal Redwood have more than willow 3.22 EDB 2.14 Elemental 4.31 Supportive (cure bonus) Just reference My Staff CR is 31.82% and I use 3.53 imperil per round QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 23 2016, 03:35)  cold and fire mages are almost forced to use redwood. the counterpart would be oak - if only an useful suffix existed. but since it doesn't, redwood is the only viable option.
That's merit for wind/elec mage. They can select between redwood and willow. And usually wind/elec redwood cheaper than willow. XD
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Oct 22 2016, 20:54
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yukikiss
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QUOTE(hansvar92 @ Oct 23 2016, 01:26)  if pmax fully forged and have prof perk prof factor roughly willow dest + pants > 0.7 willow dest + cap = 0.68 redwood dest + shoes = 0.7 Willow is good in late round on pfest. If you don't mind resist imperil, you don't need willow. If you don't play pfest, you don't need willow. If you have very good redwood, you don't need normal willow.
thanks. seems remain the same is the best option. use the current with a cotton cap to reach ~0.68 i didn't plan to fully forge anything yet. but i will forge 25 on the cotton. though my staff isn't "very good", i guess thats good enough for me now.
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Oct 22 2016, 21:03
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yukikiss
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QUOTE(hansvar92 @ Oct 23 2016, 02:46) 
That's merit for wind/elec mage. They can select between redwood and willow. And usually wind/elec redwood cheaper than willow. XD
i guess thats because willow gives CR and big deprecating prof. and redwood doesn't. even though redwood gives more elem prof. and EDB. i guess willow is sort of more "defensive" opinion. since lesser round to cast imperil -> lesser round to take damage. just guessing. i guess redwood is enough for nonSG Arena in Pf?
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Oct 22 2016, 22:25
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NerfThis
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QUOTE(yukikiss @ Oct 23 2016, 04:03)  i guess thats because willow gives CR and big deprecating prof. and redwood doesn't.
even though redwood gives more elem prof. and EDB.
i guess willow is sort of more "defensive" opinion. since lesser round to cast imperil -> lesser round to take damage.
just guessing.
i guess redwood is enough for nonSG Arena in Pf?
I don't have my redwood statistics. I just remember my subjective feel. I had 50/25 forged average redwood. after a few months, I bought willow better than average and then I forge it 50/25. Redwood + prof shoes + elem mit phase VS Willow + prof pants + not good charged phase elem mit phase have more EDB than charged phase. all armors are forged 10 (prof 50). After willow, I loss roughly MS 2000. Clear turns slightly raised. I was feel sad. I spent many credits but why couldn't be better. [add] Your Legendary Shocking Redwood Staff of Destruction is very good. Although magic score script can not correctly unforge/iw and lv scale compare (X key feature). Script told me, PSRD Elec+2594, Your LSRD Elec+2483 This post has been edited by hansvar92: Oct 22 2016, 22:37
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Oct 22 2016, 23:01
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Noni
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QUOTE(hansvar92 @ Oct 22 2016, 20:46)  You means ethereal prefix willow for cold mage? That's abnormal
... I was trying to be funny.... I failed. I called it 'LEWD'. But it's arctic so it should have been LAWD. But that's not funny. So I call it LEWD. You know, like in 'lewd schoolgirl'? Failed epically.
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Oct 22 2016, 23:08
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Oct 22 2016, 23:01)  ... I was trying to be funny.... I failed.
I called it 'LEWD'. But it's arctic so it should have been LAWD. But that's not funny. So I call it LEWD. You know, like in 'lewd schoolgirl'?
Failed epically.
Name it Lewd Arctic Redwood Staff of Destruction. NOW.
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Oct 22 2016, 23:20
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Noni
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 22 2016, 23:08)  Name it Lewd Arctic Redwood Staff of Destruction. NOW.
That would go great with a Lewd Radiant Phase Robe of MILFheim. I'm hoping to get that as a drop soon.
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Oct 22 2016, 23:59
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(yukikiss @ Oct 22 2016, 18:54)  thanks. seems remain the same is the best option. use the current with a cotton cap to reach ~0.68 i didn't plan to fully forge anything yet. but i will forge 25 on the cotton. though my staff isn't "very good", i guess thats good enough for me now. That's why I recommended a robe, forging cloth gets expensive very quickly, and you said you have a low budget, so you want the strongest slot you can possibly manage. I have a prof_factor of 0.68 while using a staff (elec, Willow), elem prof forged to 39, and robe elem prof forged to 33, and I also have the perk. You want 0.66 prof_factor at least, preferably 0.68. So unless you want to forge even more than I have (and pay 120k+ for each cloth upgrade), better to use a robe. That much forging might even be too expensive for you though. If it is, you might consider using 2 prof equips. You'll have less EDB, and it's not recommended in the long run, but you'll save millions in forge costs today. (Use prof equips strong enough such that, given your budget, you can forge and get to 0.68 comfortably, but not beyond - that way you maximize your EDB. Feet and gloves? I dunno, check the math and your budget) This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Oct 23 2016, 00:10
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Oct 23 2016, 01:57
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Juggernaut Santa
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Question: how frequently the scan script updates? I just scanned a monster that does not appear in the list, but it doesn't appear even after scanning it. Am I doing something wrong?
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Oct 23 2016, 02:03
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 22 2016, 23:57)  just scanned Am I doing something wrong? It's probably not instantaneous. Does it give you a POST response? If so then I'm sure it's working as intended
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Oct 23 2016, 02:04
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(DJNoni @ Oct 22 2016, 23:01)  ... I was trying to be funny.... I failed.
I called it 'LEWD'. But it's arctic so it should have been LAWD. But that's not funny. So I call it LEWD. You know, like in 'lewd schoolgirl'?
Failed epically.
nah. it was funny even at the first try
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Oct 23 2016, 02:05
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 23 2016, 02:03)  It's probably not instantaneous. Does it give you a POST response? If so then I'm sure it's working as intended
Well, in HV the scan info are visible, the script is active. I don't know (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) The last update on the site is of 5 hours ago.
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Oct 23 2016, 02:19
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 22 2016, 23:59)  I have a prof_factor of 0.68 while using a staff (elec, Willow), elem prof forged to 39, and robe elem prof forged to 33, and I also have the perk. You want 0.66 prof_factor at least, preferably 0.68. So unless you want to forge even more than I have (and pay 120k+ for each cloth upgrade), better to use a robe.
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Why did you stop at 0.68 even if it means having upgrades that are non multiple of 10? I mean, a bit of mitigation against elec-resistant monster, mana cost decrease and counter-resist shouldn't be that bad (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (and I don't think credits are a problem for you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)) (Actually you should do like the other 500s and go full radiant for the big magic score numbers (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif))
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Oct 23 2016, 03:09
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 23 2016, 00:39)  Ok, now I know that the script doesn't work properly (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) It instantly updated a scan of few seconds ago of a monster that was in yellow. But the 4-5 scans I did before did not do anything (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Like I said, check to see if there are POST responses. I dunno if there are supposed to be any, but if there are, it should always happen, and if there isn't one that means something interfered. (togpane change? another script? something like that) That's how it works with the equipment ranges script, at least. If it goes through there's a response. If you get a positive response and it still doesn't update after a few minutes then it's a problem on Jenga's side, not yours. QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 23 2016, 00:19)  (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Why did you stop at 0.68 even if it means having upgrades that are non multiple of 10? I mean, a bit of mitigation against elec-resistant monster, mana cost decrease and counter-resist shouldn't be that bad (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) (and I don't think credits are a problem for you (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)) (Actually you should do like the other 500s and go full radiant for the big magic score numbers (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)) Upgrades in multiples of 10 are useful when the one binding is expensive, like Slaughter or Destruction or Phazon, but in this case the only significant cost is HGC (or HGW). The bindings cost ~1k each, MGC/MGW is irrelevant enough, and no Phazons are needed, for both staff-elem prof and cotton-elem prof. And the HGC/HGW is in large enough quantities that there really aren't any clear dividing lines where materials-lost-from-salvage goes up significantly. The curve is pretty smooth. Looking at the monster list, it looks like there are more monsters at 69 mitigation than last time I checked, so maybe I should increase prof a bit more just because I can. I guess I just don't like spending on equipment at all.
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Oct 23 2016, 03:13
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 23 2016, 03:09)  Like I said, check to see if there are POST responses. I dunno if there are supposed to be any, but if there are, it should always happen, and if there isn't one that means something interfered. (togpane change? another script? something like that)
That's how it works with the equipment ranges script, at least. If it goes through there's a response. If you get a positive response and it still doesn't update after a few minutes then it's a problem on Jenga's side, not yours
The other scripts don't matter, I've collected around 10 succesful scans and the conclusion is that I need around 5/10 tries per monster to get it scanned correctly (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Oct 23 2016, 05:12
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yukikiss
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QUOTE(hansvar92 @ Oct 23 2016, 04:25)  I don't have my redwood statistics. I just remember my subjective feel.
I had 50/25 forged average redwood. after a few months, I bought willow better than average and then I forge it 50/25.
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i agree the MDB and EDB is very good. with a Lmin elem prof.... good. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 23 2016, 05:59)  That's why I recommended a robe, forging cloth gets expensive very quickly, and you said you have a low budget, so you want the strongest slot you can possibly manage.
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my budget allow me to forge it a little bit (like 20 or 25) and get the perk. and i reserved some of my budget for iw service cost i guess i don't have to use 2 cotton since 1 is enough for me. nice suggestion though. QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 23 2016, 08:19)  Actually you should do like the other 500s and go full radiant for the big magic score numbers (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) i guess 0.82 kills all of the super's lovely equipment that waiting to be forge (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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