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post Oct 19 2016, 18:27
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 19 2016, 18:10) *

QUOTE(happybro23 @ Oct 19 2016, 17:38) *

So my forum level is so weak that the Upvote/Downvote LIKE on other forums and websites (like 9gag) does not even appear as a Button for me?
Of course I wanted to upvote OTHER PEOPLE, not myself!
My mod power is like 7, but only on gallery comments.
BTW: I have lost much Tagging points for my tags around one year ago, when I added tags for my own gallery once
(almost all were deleted and I got like -0.95 in mod power for this) and now (1month or so?) people added the SAME tags as me to the same gallery (ok, its extended child)...
life is not fair...

That's not what he meant...he said that it happened to him to get mass downvoted right tags, tags that got re-added later.

did you try to point it out in one of those galleries forum? i don't even know which one, tbh, but i know there's one in which you can report such things...
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post Oct 19 2016, 18:29
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QUOTE(happybro23 @ Oct 19 2016, 18:26) *

Yup,
And it was so long ago, that this tool does not show it.
I have been working hard to get that one point back, so these tags (majority of shown in link) are my most recent work.

I remember having power of 8+, despite my lv30 at HV, yound account of 2years and 0 forum activity.

The tags were approved character names like: Elsa, frozen, wonder woman, dragonball etc.
I understood that downvote of tags as valid, because the gallery of say (back then) 50pics contained only like 12 of elsa/frozen, 3 of DBZ, 5 of Justice Leaque (wonder woman, zatanna, supergirl) etc
Now people even addes smaller ones like Despicable me (2-3pics) and totally spies (1 pic!) or Silver Spoon (whf is this character anyway? (don't answer))

That presence rule is ambiguous.
And it depends on which people visit the gallery too.
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post Oct 19 2016, 18:29
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QUOTE(happybro23 @ Oct 19 2016, 18:26) *

I understood that downvote of tags as valid, because the gallery of say (back then) 50pics contained only like 12 of elsa/frozen, 3 of DBZ, 5 of Justice Leaque (wonder woman, zatanna, supergirl) etc

from the little that i know, 12 out of 50 should be tagged. no problems with the 5 out of 50 too. maybe 3 out of 50 is just past the minimum threshold, but still acceptable.
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post Oct 19 2016, 18:31
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 19 2016, 18:29) *

from the little that i know, 12 out of 50 should be tagged. no problems with the 5 out of 50 too. maybe 3 out of 50 is just past the minimum threshold, but still acceptable.

Well, personally, I think that the presence rule makes a little sense.
For example the nakadashi tag wouldn't be valid for at least 99% of the galleries, where it's only in the last page. But almost all galleries still have that tag, despite the presence rule saying otherwise.
People who visit the gallery interpret rules when they upvote >.<
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post Oct 19 2016, 18:32
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 19 2016, 17:10) *

That's not what he meant...he said that it happened to him to get mass downvoted right tags, tags that got re-added later.


He said a gallery was updated and the tags added, so it sounds likje when he added them the tags did not apply but they potentially did after the update.

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people added the SAME tags as me to the same gallery (ok, its extended child)...


I took 'extended child' to mean child gallery as in when a gallery is replaced by adding more content.

QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 19 2016, 17:31) *

Well, personally, I think that the presence rule makes a little sense.
For example the nakadashi tag wouldn't be valid for at least 99% of the galleries, where it's only in the last page. But almost all galleries still have that tag, despite the presence rule saying otherwise.
People who visit the gallery interpret rules when they upvote >.<


The presence rule makes a lot of sense, but nakadashi is a particularly poorly used tag and almost never applies, just people seem to like adding it all over the place.

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post Oct 19 2016, 18:33
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QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Oct 19 2016, 18:32) *

He said a gallery was updated and the tags added, so it sounds likje when he added them the tags did not apply but they potentially did after the update.
I took 'extended child' to mean child gallery as in when a gallery is replaced by adding more content.

Well, it could be, but ALL the tags it's a bit strange, don't you think?
A gallery with no content? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Oct 19 2016, 18:32) *

The presence rule makes a lot of sense, but nakadashi is a particularly poorly used tag and almost never applies, just people seem to like adding it all over the place.

Opinions...for me that tag has sense. I don't go upvoting that tags everywhere, but I agree for the most part.
I don't really get why something that happens in the doujin can't be tagged, seriously (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

The presence rule is the main reason I struggle finding old doujins I read time ago...they aren't tagged properly.

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post Oct 19 2016, 18:35
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 19 2016, 17:33) *

Well, it could be, but ALL the tags it's a bit strange, don't you think?
A gallery with no content? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


No, if for example a gallery of 40 pages had like 3 of a character then the tag would not apply but then later it was updated to 50 pages but 10 more of that same character were added (now 13/50) then the tag is ok (25% would be 12.5 pages precisely).

QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 19 2016, 17:33) *

I don't really get why something that happens in the doujin can't be tagged, seriously (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

The presence rule is the main reason I struggle finding old doujins I read time ago...they aren't tagged properly.


That is the way we would end up with people tagging galleries with 1 image even if the gallery was 2000 pages long, I know I personally would be disappointed if I am looking for e.g 'big breasts' and the gallery has like 1% big breasts.

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post Oct 19 2016, 18:38
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 19 2016, 18:27) *

That's not what he meant...he said that it happened to him to get mass downvoted right tags, tags that got re-added later.

did you try to point it out in one of those galleries forum? i don't even know which one, tbh, but i know there's one in which you can report such things...


Now ALL tags were taken out, but the vast majority.
Yes, extended child here is a gallery where I added more pics and now it has like 150+pics. So 25 Elsas out of 150 is like 1/6?

Maybe someone with voting power of 80* downvoted a tag which only had like 3pic of say "inside up" + Riley and such thing happened.

* (I remember people had such superpowers some years ago (or maybe many people upvoted their posts in short time period?). That is why I was confused when I saw this lv25 power cap a while ago)

It was so long ago that I do not want to do anything about this. I say let the tags (valid or invalid) stay as they are.

BTW: Sorry that I edit my posts so much, but I usually find a grammatical error or i misspell a word.
BTW2: So how to upvote a FORUM post again?

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post Oct 19 2016, 18:40
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QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Oct 19 2016, 18:35) *

No, if for example a gallery of 40 pages had like 3 of a character then the tag would not apply but then later it was updated to 50 pages but 10 more of that same character were added (now 13/50) then the tag is ok (25% would be 12.5 pages precisely).
That is the way we would end up with people tagging galleries with 1 image even if the gallery was 2000 pages long, I know I personally would be disappointed if I am looking for e.g 'big breasts' and the gallery has like 1% big breasts.

aye-aye.

just saying, is it possible that what he happened to him was caught between two different rule revisions?
i mean, when all that downvote happened there was actually such a rule which called for certain penalty, but later softened so this wouldn't have happened anymore?

QUOTE(happybro23 @ Oct 19 2016, 18:38) *

Maybe someone with voting power of 80* downvoted a tag which only had like 3pic of say "inside up" + Riley and such thing happened.

(I remember people had such superpowers some years ago (or maybe many people upvoted their posts in short time period?). That is why I was confused when I saw this lv25 power cap a while ago)

high powers exist again. check here and here. but even so, there are gallery mods as well afaik.

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It was so long ago that I do not want to do anything about this. I say let the tags (valid or invalid) stay as they are.

just when we have the luck to have a mod who's spending his time trying to understand with us what happened? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(happybro23 @ Oct 19 2016, 18:38) *

BTW2: So how to upvote a FORUM post again?

is it even possible? i was speaking about tag before...

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post Oct 19 2016, 18:41
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QUOTE(happybro23 @ Oct 19 2016, 17:38) *

Maybe someone with voting power of 80* downvoted a tag which only had like 3pic of say "inside up" + Riley and such thing happened.

(I remember people had such superpowers some years ago (or maybe many people upvoted their posts in short time period?). That is why I was confused when I saw this lv25 power cap a while ago)

It was so long ago that I do not want to do anything about this. I say let the tags (valid or invalid) stay as they are.

BTW: Sorry that I edit my posts so much, but I usually find a grammatical error or i misspell a word.
BTW2: So how to upvote a FORUM post again?


There is no 25 power cap, that said nobody other than Tenboro has a power as high as 80. https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=174298

You cannot vote on forum posts.

If the tags you added a while ago got recently removed then they do not affect your score as they are counted as having been valid for long enough.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 19 2016, 17:40) *

aye-aye.

just saying, is it possible that what he happened to him was caught between two different rule revisions?
i mean, when all that downvote happened there was actually such a rule which called for certain penalty, but later softened so this wouldn't have happened anymore?


Always possible, though as I say if your tags are downed some time after you aded them then you are not penalised, also if you only make occasional mistakes then you won't get into negative score, you only need to maintain 90% accuracy to stay neutral, I doubt rule changes can account for getting more than 1 out of every 10 tags wrong.

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post Oct 19 2016, 18:46
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QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Oct 19 2016, 18:35) *

No, if for example a gallery of 40 pages had like 3 of a character then the tag would not apply but then later it was updated to 50 pages but 10 more of that same character were added (now 13/50) then the tag is ok (25% would be 12.5 pages precisely).
That is the way we would end up with people tagging galleries with 1 image even if the gallery was 2000 pages long, I know I personally would be disappointed if I am looking for e.g 'big breasts' and the gallery has like 1% big breasts.

Well, yes and no.

Theme-based tags like big breasts, cheating, femdom, blackmail, rape, etc should be tagged only when predominant, because they qualify the gallery.
In fact borderline tags have the 1 page presence rule, since they can hurt someone's sensibility.
But I think that that should be extended.

Tags that qualify stuff that happens in the story (cumming inside, paizuri, threesomes EVEN IF ONLY IN THE LAST PAGE, etc), should have that privilege.

In my opinion of course.

Most the times the tags will get downvoted.

Then when I remember "oh, that story where he ended with both girls" but it doesn't have the ffm threesome tag.
Just an example.

Whatever, it is like it is. And we will take it as it is.
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post Oct 19 2016, 18:47
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QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Oct 19 2016, 18:41) *

if you only make occasional mistakes then you won't get into negative score, you only need to maintain 90% accuracy to stay neutral, I doubt rule changes can account for getting more than 1 out of every 10 tags wrong.

plenty of sense. if you had to keep 100% score, then i guess only a little part of the users would help. a mistake is always possible, right?

QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 19 2016, 18:46) *

Theme-based tags like big breasts, cheating, femdom, blackmail, rape, etc should be tagged only when predominant, because they qualify the gallery.
In fact borderline tags have the 1 page presence rule, since they can hurt someone's sensibility.
But I think that that should be extended.

Tags that qualify stuff that happens in the story (cumming inside, paizuri, threesomes EVEN IF ONLY IN THE LAST PAGE, etc), should have that privilege.

Then when I remember "oh, that story where he ended with both girls" but it doesn't have the ffm threesome tag.

agree. not just because i like double penetrations and i want to find them as quickly as possible, but even if the girl was DPed only once, if you don't consider that then it would be a plain sex like many others (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

jokes apart, yep - if that topic is something that differentiate the story from another one, then it should be considered more, and possibly got rid of that rule.

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post Oct 19 2016, 18:50
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QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Oct 19 2016, 18:41) *

There is no 25 power cap, that said nobody other than Tenboro has a power as high as 80. https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showtopic=174298


This power level 80 was just an example. I usually saw people with 60+ or 40+ in comment sections.

Thanks for clearing the upvote to me.


But now: I want to add an artist tag ot tag database. Someone nice told me to write it on this forum section
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...d=4636835&#
but I learned I need 100 upvotes. So as one does not upvote a FORUM section's post, then HOW to upvote something that CAN'T be added as a tag, because it pops up as "not currently valid". Do upvotes here mean "People who are trying to input a tag "a:Goth reaper" in the tag window in the gallery section?

Sorry if I missed something here.


PS: About the upper conversation. there is only 1-2 gay pics needed for yuri/yaoi tag though.

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post Oct 19 2016, 18:51
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 19 2016, 17:46) *

Tags that qualify stuff that happens in the story (cumming inside, paizuri, threesomes EVEN IF ONLY IN THE LAST PAGE, etc), should have that privilege.


There are many who share your opinion when it comes to nakadashi, they think maybe it should work like defloration, but I believe that has been shot down numerous times so will not be changed. I disagree especially on the threesome thing, if I was into threesomes I would be left frustrated if I found a gallery with the tag then had to wait for the last page before the fetish was there.

But of course these are all our opinion which we are entitled to, absolutely bring any definition suggestions/changes to the vigilante thread if you wish (you may get told no, but worth a try if it is something you are interested in changing)

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 19 2016, 17:47) *

plenty of sense. if you had to keep 100% score, then i guess only a little part of the users will help. a mistake is always possible, right?


Precisely, we are only human, nobody can be 100% right all the time, there are far better taggers than me but I doubt they are much closer to 100% than myself, 1 mistake even if it takes you to 99.9% isn't perfect.

QUOTE(happybro23 @ Oct 19 2016, 17:50) *

This power level 80 was just an example. I usually saw people with 60+ or 40+ in comment sections.

Thanks for clearing the upvote to me.
But now: I want to add an artist tag ot tag database. Someone nice told me to write it on this forum section
https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?showt...d=4636835&#
but I learned I need 100 upvotes. So as one does not upvote a FORUM section's post, then HOW to upvote something that CAN'T be added as a tag, because it pops up as "not currently valid". Do upvotes here mean "People who are trying to input a tag "a:Goth reaper" in the tag window in the gallery section?

Sorry if I missed something here.
PS: About the upper conversation. there is only 1-2 gay pics needed for yuri/yaoi tag though.


Yaoi/yuri need presence the same as any other tag.

To get a new artist created, you need to post in tagging and namespacing (the thread you linked) then someone with 25 power needs to create it as a 'misc' tag then as long as you have given the relevant sources which the thread asks for, a mod can move the 'misc' tag into the relevant namespace (in this case 'artist').

This isn't voting on forum posts, this is voting on gallery tags. From what I can see someone has already created 'goth reaper' as a misc tag, so now it just needs a mod when they find the time to move him to the artist space. This is done to prevent abuse of people adding all sorts of wild names as artists and to avoid a situation where we end up with 50 different spellings for an artists name. This way it can be finalised in 'misc' before being moved to artist.

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post Oct 19 2016, 19:58
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QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Oct 19 2016, 18:51) *

This isn't voting on forum posts, this is voting on gallery tags. From what I can see someone has already created 'goth reaper' as a misc tag, so now it just needs a mod when they find the time to move him to the artist space. This is done to prevent abuse of people adding all sorts of wild names as artists and to avoid a situation where we end up with 50 different spellings for an artists name. This way it can be finalised in 'misc' before being moved to artist.

Thank you.
Now I understand. I thought you need to upvote a tag on the forum. Which is false.
As there was no way to add misc: Goth Reaper or Goth Reaper before (some days ago).

The misc tag was added just super recently by someone (one of you).
I thank you (this person)!
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post Oct 19 2016, 21:23
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Is this thread still on HV sub forum, or already moved to The Vigialnte?

anyway...

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what about staff + shade? not-that-different mitigations, slightly less ADB, but still evade and resist for more safety. 0 piercing mitigation, but Spirit Shield can take care of that - and it shouldn't even be that big of a matter at such low difficulties. plus access to light armor abilities like attack speed, MP tank and light ACC.
it doesn't even need to be Shadowdancer, just take random elemental Leg Shades (pretty sure you may find them at even less than 50k) and you're good to go.


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I just got the OFC and I used it in a PFUDOR RE, I was told it can one shot them but it barely took half of the HP of every monster, is that normal? I was quite disappointed... Is there some way to power it up? Besides the obvious hath perk.

Edit: in what difficulty mode can OFC one-shot FSM? I want to play it safe, it obviously has a lot of HP in normal mode, maybe OFC can kill it in hard mode?

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post Oct 19 2016, 23:32
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Oct 19 2016, 23:26) *

I just got the OFC and I used it in a PFUDOR RE, I was told it can one shot them but it barely took half of the HP of every monster, is that normal? I was quite disappointed... Is there some way to power it up? Besides the obvious hath perk.

1. Spirit Stance on. works for every style, but you need 210 OC at least.
2. Heartseeker spell on if possible.
3. if 1H style, Overwhelming Strikes proc on.
4. if dealing with a tanky mob like SGs, first stack PA or Imperil on the SG, then cast OFC wherever you want.

one or more of these will dramatically improve OFC efficiency.

QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Oct 19 2016, 23:26) *

Edit: in what difficulty mode can OFC one-shot FSM? I want to play it safe, it obviously has a lot of HP in normal mode, maybe OFC can kill it in hard mode?

uh... maybe on Normal, with all those effects stacking at once? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) FSM and other gods are simply too tanky for OFC to be *that* efficient...

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1. Spirit Stance on. works for every style, but you need 210 OC at least.
2. Heartseeker spell on if possible.
3. if 1H style, Overwhelming Strikes proc on.
4. if dealing with a tanky mob like SGs, first stack PA or Imperil on the SG, then cast OFC wherever you want.

Basically how I play DwD (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 19 2016, 17:32) *
1. Spirit Stance on. works for every style, but you need 210 OC at least.
2. Heartseeker spell on if possible.
3. if 1H style, Overwhelming Strikes proc on.
4. if dealing with a tanky mob like SGs, first stack PA or Imperil on the SG, then cast OFC wherever you want.

one or more of these will dramatically improve OFC efficiency.
Following these guidelines, I can one-shot most mobs with OFC when they hit the ~130k threshold. Which is fine, seeing as I need to generate Overcharge anyway. I usually see mobs with 50k to 180k HP, so I just attack the stronger ones until they get down to <140k and move on to the next one. OFC cleans them out at best and leaves a few stragglers at worst.
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