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post Oct 17 2016, 10:22
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 17 2016, 10:10) *

If you forge just one equip, that's what happens. But a player will probably forge more evenly across all Power Slaughters + rapier, which means significantly greater damage for that (2k-hath-equivalent) spent.

What proportion of ADB is added by equipment for 1h heavy, anyone know? If equipment accounts for half of total ADB, then by forging all equips to 11, your weapons get *1.21 damage, which will give you an overall damage boost of about 10%, same as the perk.

With a mix of slaughter/non slaughter and forging to 15-25 I see around 37% damage from armor ADB (so probably with forge to 5 and mix of slaughter/non slaughter it's more like 35%).
I don't think you can get higher than 40-45% unless you forge like a madman, even with full slaughter (but that would cost a lot to begin with).

ADB forging on armor is much worse than what you would think.
For me the ideal progression is:
- rapier to 5
- armor to 5
- rapier to ~35
- DD
- armor and rapier forging
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post Oct 17 2016, 11:07
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oh, he wrote "equipment", not "weapon". my bad. nevermind then.

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post Oct 17 2016, 11:30
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 17 2016, 08:22) *
With a mix of slaughter/non slaughter and forging to 15-25 I see around 37% damage from armor ADB (so probably with forge to 5 and mix of slaughter/non slaughter it's more like 35%).
Oh, so it's significantly lower then. (you can tell I haven't played melee in a while (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Oct 17 2016, 11:47
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Depends on point of view. From investment any such upgrade is hard to pay back. 12m/6% = 200m income. Im not sure ive got so much for my whole playing. But from point of upgrades 10% damage perk isnt bad, because it works with any style and gives good increase comparing to other methods. For example, look at something like holy prof perk. It cost 6m, gives roughly same 6% clearspeed, but it wont work even for dark style or any elemental. Or otherwise im with elemental cant play holy with same bonuses.
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post Oct 17 2016, 15:52
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Most of the advice and WTS posts seem focused on much more experienced players. And the newbie ad ice seems very stat driven, but doesn't really delve into basics, like when/if to flee, when/if to enter grindfest, etc.

I'm enjoying the Hentaiverse, but for instance, I struggle with things like finding appropriate low level items or materials to buy, and the shops don't let you do things like sort or filter by level. Going into the shops and checking every item to see if it's a level you can equip seems to get me very few low level results. Is this normal? Is most item purchasing done outside the market?

So, a few first questions:

Are there groups of low level people who support each other with trades and things? If not, does anyone want to form one with me? I just found the free shop thread, and when I posted basically this in my intro, several people just sent me some items in Mooglemail, WHICH IS AWESOME, but I'm also interested in finding other folks fairly new and sharing insights... Is that just silly? Is Ask the Experts really the best way for questions like mine?

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Do people just hoard/salvage all the lower level items?

Is it a worthwhile thing to buy higher level items and hold onto them until you can equip them?

Are there any strategy guides/hints for how to best use the monster lab? One beefy monster with lots of upgrades? Multiple low level monsters? I've only got the one slot unlocked, and am waiting on more Chaos tokens, but it would be great to have an idea on whether I should upgrade one, or unlock another slot...

Is grindfest worth it? How bad is getting defeated? How much damage does equipment take, in practicale terms, and is there a way to quantify the costs?

Does fleeing have any downside/penalty?

I've only been defeated once, and never fled. I'd like to understand the risk/reward, especially in respect to grindfest.

Is there a way with the forum posts to get notified of replies NOT using email? That is, in messages in the boards themselves/mooglemail?

Thanks!

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post Oct 17 2016, 16:31
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Are there groups of low level people who support each other with trades and things?
If not, does anyone want to form one with me?


no. or very few. i guess. mostly because they level-up very fast or just find the game too boring for them.

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I just found the free shop thread, and when I posted basically this in my intro, several people just sent me some items in Mooglemail, WHICH IS AWESOME, but I'm also interested in finding other folks fairly new and sharing insights... Is that just silly?

i'm not sure what you meant. sorry for my meh-tier english.

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Is Ask the Experts really the best way for questions like mine?

sure. people in here are very friendly (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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Do people just hoard/salvage all the lower level items?

lower level gameplay tends to be more ... "easy". and before lv300. level-up is quite quick.
maybe people just savage/sell it to bazaar but main reason is there just don't have lots of good lower-level equipment.
even you found one in the weekly auction. your pocket isn't deep enough (maybe) to deal with those higher level players which earn more and have more to spend.

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Is it a worthwhile thing to buy higher level items and hold onto them until you can equip them?

maybe for ~lv200-250 in your case.
yet you should mind your pocket.

and there is a function call "soulfuse" which let you equip higher level equipment (up to +100)
but problem is hardly find something worth to soulfuse at your level.

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Are there any strategy guides/hints for how to best use the monster lab? One beefy monster with lots of upgrades? Multiple low level monsters? I've only got the one slot unlocked, and am waiting on more Chaos tokens, but it would be great to have an idea on whether I should upgrade one, or unlock another slot...

to minimize the cost and maximize the profit.
i suggest you make as-many-as-you-can monster with PL (power level) 25.
and wait for the gift every 3days.
maybe you're lucky and your monster gave you something worth 100k or so.

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Is grindfest worth it?

not really on your level. always do arena first. then comsider GF when you have time and stamina.

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How bad is getting defeated? How much damage does equipment take, in practicale terms, and is there a way to quantify the costs?

you can find some of the information on wiki. i'm not too sure about that.

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Does fleeing have any downside/penalty?

no. flee is great.

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Is there a way with the forum posts to get notified of replies NOT using email? That is, in messages in the boards themselves/mooglemail?

no. i guess.



Hope my answer can help you even just a little bit.
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post Oct 17 2016, 16:39
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So since holy/dark strike don't benefit from any kind of spike shield mitigation reduction, does that mean one of the main 4 elements is usually preferred on a weapon instead?

QUOTE(sogeth @ Oct 17 2016, 09:52) *

I'm enjoying the Hentaiverse, but for instance, I struggle with things like finding appropriate low level items or materials to buy, and the shops don't let you do things like sort or filter by level. Going into the shops and checking every item to see if it's a level you can equip seems to get me very few low level results. Is this normal? Is most item purchasing done outside the market?


That's just how it is. Most people running the shops and playing a lot are high levels (and all the low-mid range players probably just sped right past it or quit before making it any farther), so the bulk of the gear is in the 350+ range. Not to mention high levels also have higher training levels and play on harder difficulties so they get more and better drops than low levels do.

At as low a level as you are you should just stick with the free shops, unnasigned, and stuff that self-drops. Even at my level there's not much choice, you just have to make do with whatever is available and not be picky.

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post Oct 17 2016, 16:47
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QUOTE(yukikiss @ Oct 17 2016, 22:31) *

-yuki-chan


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post Oct 17 2016, 16:52
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Oct 17 2016, 22:47) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) ??
i just called myself with a "-chan" any problem? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

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post Oct 17 2016, 16:59
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QUOTE(yukikiss @ Oct 17 2016, 16:31) *

-yuki-chan

chan? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)

QUOTE(Diddy_ @ Oct 17 2016, 16:39) *

So since holy/dark strike don't benefit from any kind of spike shield mitigation reduction, does that mean one of the main 4 elements is usually preferred on a weapon instead?

it depends on your style. 1Hers generally prefer Fire. other melees Cold/Wind, i guess. mages, maybe Elec? not sure though.

sorry, i thought you were speaking about spike shields. today i'm a bit disconnected (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Oct 17 2016, 17:01
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QUOTE(yukikiss @ Oct 17 2016, 16:52) *

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif) ??
i just called myself with a "-chan" any problem? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

speaking of which, does "-chan" actually say anything about the gender of whom that "-chan" is referred to?
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post Oct 17 2016, 17:02
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 17 2016, 23:01) *

speaking of which, does "-chan" actually say anything about the gender of whom that "-chan" is referred to?

No, but it does indicate a more feminine or childish tendency
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post Oct 17 2016, 17:03
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When should I only buy equipment and weapons from WTS? After level 330?
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post Oct 17 2016, 17:05
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QUOTE(chung2795 @ Oct 17 2016, 17:02) *

No, but it does indicate a more feminine or childish tendency

thought so. thanks

QUOTE(chung2795 @ Oct 17 2016, 17:03) *

When should I only buy equipment and weapons from WTS? After level 330?

whenever you find an (affordable) upgrade for your current gear, i guess. auctions can be good starting point too.
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post Oct 17 2016, 17:07
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 17 2016, 16:01) *

speaking of which, does "-chan" actually say anything about the gender of whom that "-chan" is referred to?


It is more often female but can be used to a male as far as I know, though I guess -kun is closer to the male equivalent of something more 'informal'.
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post Oct 17 2016, 17:11
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So since holy/dark strike don't benefit from any kind of spike shield mitigation reduction, does that mean one of the main 4 elements is usually preferred on a weapon instead?

No, holy or dark are better because schoolgirls are weak against them.
They are also the strikes with the lowest mitigations.

You can easily get your preferred strike using an infusion, there's no need to have it already on the weapon.
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post Oct 17 2016, 17:15
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 17 2016, 17:11) *

No, holy or dark are better because schoolgirls are weak against them.
They are also the strikes with the lowest mitigations.

You can easily get your preferred strike using an infusion, there's no need to have it already on the weapon.

Or, the other way, you can play mindlessly in IW/REs/Normal arenas with an elemental strike and its matching spike shield, and use the dark/holy infusions only on SG arenas.

Less infusion used and less often.

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post Oct 17 2016, 17:18
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 17 2016, 11:11) *

No, holy or dark are better because schoolgirls are weak against them.
They are also the strikes with the lowest mitigations.

You can easily get your preferred strike using an infusion, there's no need to have it already on the weapon.


But doesn't an infusion stack if you have void and an elemental strike already, letting you get 3 at the same time? I have a weapon with holy strike already that I'm planning to IW and use soon, just need more soul fragments.

QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 17 2016, 11:01) *

speaking of which, does "-chan" actually say anything about the gender of whom that "-chan" is referred to?

It's usually quite feminine and reserved by adults to children or girls of the same age and kun is more for boys, but none of it is forced or concrete.

It's more common in nicknames than kun is and also seen as "cute" so it gets used for things like that.
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post Oct 17 2016, 17:26
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QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Oct 17 2016, 17:07) *

It is more often female but can be used to a male as far as I know, though I guess -kun is closer to the male equivalent of something more 'informal'.

uhu. thanks.

QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 17 2016, 17:11) *

No, holy or dark are better because schoolgirls are weak against them.
They are also the strikes with the lowest mitigations.

You can easily get your preferred strike using an infusion, there's no need to have it already on the weapon.

it's not that today i took a liking to tell you're wrong, but people here tend to think too much about SG arenas. in case you don't do those (or you do them only at low difficulties), i guess element + matching spike shield would definitely be better than Holy/Dark + random spike.
plus, i'm under the impression that mobs are so heavily chaosed that the average mob pool requires either PA proc (for melee) or Imperil/high prof (for mages) in order to properly speak about diminishing mitigations.

QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 17 2016, 17:15) *

Or, the other way, you can play mindlessly in IW/REs/Normal arenas with an elemental strike and its matching spike shield, and use the dark/holy infusions only on SG arenas.

Less infusion used and less often.

^ nice shot.

QUOTE(Diddy_ @ Oct 17 2016, 17:18) *

But doesn't an infusion stack if you have void and an elemental strike already, letting you get 3 at the same time? I have a weapon with holy strike already that I'm planning to IW and use soon, just need more soul fragments.

yep, you can have 3 strikes.

QUOTE(Diddy_ @ Oct 17 2016, 17:18) *

It's usually quite feminine and reserved by adults to children or girls of the same age and kun is more for boys, but none of it is forced or concrete.

It's more common in nicknames than kun is and also seen as "cute" so it gets used for things like that.

so kawaii (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Oct 17 2016, 17:47
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 17 2016, 17:15) *

Or, the other way, you can play mindlessly in IW/REs/Normal arenas with an elemental strike and its matching spike shield, and use the dark/holy infusions only on SG arenas.

Less infusion used and less often.

I never play without 3 strikes.
Infusions cost nothing (120C-130C max) and last a whopping 15 minutes.
Add turn saved X cost per turn and you will easily see that you break even with infusions after a couple of minutes at best.


QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 17 2016, 17:26) *

it's not that today i took a liking to tell you're wrong

I know, but you and ppp82p like to tell me I'm wrong when a simple calculations easily tells me I'm right.
Just to say I'm not likely to change ideas on infusions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I'm also not saying elemental strike is inherently bad, just that holy/dark is nicer to have (which also explains why holy/dark rapiers get higher bid in auctions).
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