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Oct 10 2016, 17:33
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-Shun-
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 10 2016, 23:08)  It's not so much that there's "no need", but that the benefit of IW (more HP for a handful of levels) is likely not worth the cost of IW (long, low-profit battle series, plus expensive amnesia shards). Probably just keep building up fragments and replacing outdated gears every now and then, until you see something worth using for a very long time.
Ok thanks~ Moment of truth tomorrow on arena \o/ People at my level should be okay with hell arena now right?
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Oct 10 2016, 19:56
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Chraunzen @ Oct 10 2016, 15:17)  I was just curious, how many entries/tickets should I buy to have a fair chance at winning the lottery? I'd like to know how many tickets Jenga buys, since he wins almost every single time (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) Entirely revolves around your (subjective) definition of "fair". The total tickets submitted is displayed, so all that's left is to do the math. QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Oct 10 2016, 15:33)  Ok thanks~
Moment of truth tomorrow on arena \o/ People at my level should be okay with hell arena now right? With 1h, yeah, Hell should be pretty doable by now.
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Oct 10 2016, 22:56
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guppieman
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Oct 11 2016, 00:10
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JnTo.
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Hello!
I experienced some really bad offering to Snowflakes, for trophies they say is 11250 gold worth of trophies : I get an average item, not even a superior one.
Should I wait to gain in level before offering things or it does not matter?
Edit: Oh, another question, for now, I only salvage crude stuffs, what happens if I salvage superior or exquisite things? Should I?
This post has been edited by Falcolight: Oct 11 2016, 00:16
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Oct 11 2016, 00:16
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Falcolight @ Oct 10 2016, 22:10)  Hello!
I experienced some really bad offering to Snowflakes, for trophies they say is 11250 gold worth of trophies : I get an average item, not even a superior one.
Should I wait to gain in level before offering things or it does not matter? You should wait until ~3 of your slots are in moderate need of replacing, and then roll for a Superior+. Or just be happy with Averages bought from the bazaar. Don't spend more than ~10k on trophies at once, whatever equips you get won't be permanent enough to be worth a larger investment.
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Oct 11 2016, 01:26
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Falcolight @ Oct 11 2016, 05:10)  Hello!
I experienced some really bad offering to Snowflakes, for trophies they say is 11250 gold worth of trophies : I get an average item, not even a superior one.
Should I wait to gain in level before offering things or it does not matter?
Edit: Oh, another question, for now, I only salvage crude stuffs, what happens if I salvage superior or exquisite things? Should I?
only shrine your trophies if you cannot find your wanted equipment at your lvl in any WTB (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) better save them than sell it to kei , nero or blackjac00 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) it more usefull at your lvl (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) well , only if you find good exq grade equip with best prefix suffix that you can use , otherwise sell them all (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Oct 11 2016, 02:10
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-The Dashing Dash-
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QUOTE(Falcolight @ Oct 10 2016, 18:10)  Hello!
I experienced some really bad offering to Snowflakes, for trophies they say is 11250 gold worth of trophies : I get an average item, not even a superior one.
Should I wait to gain in level before offering things or it does not matter?
Edit: Oh, another question, for now, I only salvage crude stuffs, what happens if I salvage superior or exquisite things? Should I?
I would add that the "value" of the trophy is only relevant for those having FoS (Follower of Snowflake), an insanely expensive hath perk (at every 10M of value you get a soulbound peerless). It has nothing to do with how much the items is actually worth, but scales up with your level. And yeah, unless you really want to change your equipment, you're better off selling them to people buying them in WTB. Crude and fair usually are better off salvaging than selling. Superior and +, you get a low-, mid- or high-grade mat. on top of the scraps (see here) Superiors you should sell because low-grade aren't worth enough (you can buy them in WTS if you need them) For average and Exq. it depends of what the bazar offers you, but it's probably easier to just sell them all at once
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Oct 11 2016, 05:41
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Unindex
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QUOTE(redphil @ Oct 9 2016, 19:01)  Disclaimer: This goes against the question I just asked here. I asked that because I'm lazy and I don't want to go through the following steps.
Check your character's overall attributes combined with a feel of where you struggle the most in actual play. Hover the attributes of those 3 you're choosing between to get your base numbers.
Going by the highest base numbers, decide which piece overall will help you where your attributes are low and/or you feel you are struggling.
Paper/pen or quick spreadsheet helps.
Thanks for your kindness anyway.
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Oct 11 2016, 06:07
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guppieman
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 10 2016, 14:08)  That shortsword is pure trash (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) The rapier without a doubt. And you should change the waki with a nimble one, swiftness is trash suffix (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) Alright, I don't get why the Shortsword is trash, and the Rapier is a big improvement. ADB goes down (872 to 849), Crit and Parry are almost the same, Lose Parry and Speed bonus, and Str, Dex, and Agil all go down. Is the loss of the Burden and Interference that big of a reason? I've spent almost an hour looking in the thread to see if I can find the reason why behind some of the recommendations, but most just state this is better than that, not why. Thanks for the education in advance.
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Oct 11 2016, 06:13
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(guppieman @ Oct 11 2016, 04:07)  Alright, I don't get why the Shortsword is trash, and the Rapier is a big improvement. Because one stack of PA is far, far better than 3 stacks of BW. Especially against tough monsters like giants and schoolgirls and FSM, PA can double or triple your damage. If I were at level 300, I'd easily prefer an Exquisite rapier over a Peerless shortsword, without even looking at the stats.
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Oct 11 2016, 06:15
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-The Dashing Dash-
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QUOTE(guppieman @ Oct 11 2016, 00:07)  Alright, I don't get why the Shortsword is trash, and the Rapier is a big improvement.
ADB goes down (872 to 849), Crit and Parry are almost the same, Lose Parry and Speed bonus, and Str, Dex, and Agil all go down.
Is the loss of the Burden and Interference that big of a reason? I've spent almost an hour looking in the thread to see if I can find the reason why behind some of the recommendations, but most just state this is better than that, not why.
Thanks for the education in advance.
Because of the penetrated armor proc. on the rapier and the suffix. Swiftness is not really a good suffix, slaughter is. Ofc when you're comparing a forged weapon to a non-forged one, you'll find the forged one might have better stats, but forge the rapier as well and you'll find it's much better. Edit: Ninja'ed (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) This post has been edited by --------------------: Oct 11 2016, 06:17
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Oct 11 2016, 06:36
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Diddy_
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 10 2016, 19:26)  only shrine your trophies if you cannot find your wanted equipment at your lvl in any WTB (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) better save them than sell it to kei , nero or blackjac00 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(-------------------- @ Oct 10 2016, 20:10)  And yeah, unless you really want to change your equipment, you're better off selling them to people buying them in WTB.
What about artifacts? Doesn't seem like there's much you would get out of them as a new player. Even for high levels I'm still not quite sure. I'm assuming it's the chance at expensive bindings and the stat boosts that you would be after? Edit: Looked them up on the wiki again and found out you can't even get bindings from them, just energy drinks and a last elixir. QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Oct 10 2016, 11:33)  Ok thanks~
Moment of truth tomorrow on arena \o/ People at my level should be okay with hell arena now right?
I've been doing a Trio and the Tree daily on Hell (gives me a little over a level and a half now) since ~215 and haven't had a single problem, spark hasn't even popped once. Did end of days earlier today as well and aside from it taking like 90-120 minutes it was easy as can be. Though if I had a little less health/defense than I do now Yuuki and Ryouko could would have been one shitting me with their crits. Stats for comparison (IMG:[ puu.sh] http://puu.sh/rEVHC/fa8e2af963.png) Now Nintendo on the other hand... This post has been edited by Diddy_: Oct 11 2016, 06:47
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Oct 11 2016, 08:24
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-Shun-
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QUOTE(Diddy_ @ Oct 11 2016, 12:36)  I've been doing a Trio and the Tree daily on Hell (gives me a little over a level and a half now) since ~215 and haven't had a single problem, spark hasn't even popped once. Did end of days earlier today as well and aside from it taking like 90-120 minutes it was easy as can be. Though if I had a little less health/defense than I do now Yuuki and Ryouko could would have been one shitting me with their crits.
Now Nintendo on the other hand...
I'll prolly stay on Hell until I get at least 3 legendaries. Starting to feel the damage at around 7-8 enemies on hell already and clearspeed isn't really that good yet. I need MOAR POWAH
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Oct 11 2016, 08:32
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Oct 11 2016, 06:24)  I'll prolly stay on Hell until I get at least 3 legendaries. Starting to feel the damage at around 7-8 enemies on hell already and clearspeed isn't really that good yet. I need MOAR POWAH I think you just need XP, before 0.82, many players 300+ were just fine playing PF with Mag-quality gears. Using legendaries feels better but it's not essential.
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Oct 11 2016, 08:33
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Diddy_ @ Oct 11 2016, 11:36)  What about artifacts? Doesn't seem like there's much you would get out of them as a new player. Even for high levels I'm still not quite sure. I'm assuming it's the chance at expensive bindings and the stat boosts that you would be after? Edit: Looked them up on the wiki again and found out you can't even get bindings from them, just energy drinks and a last elixir. I've been doing a Trio and the Tree daily on Hell (gives me a little over a level and a half now) since ~215 and haven't had a single problem, spark hasn't even popped once. Did end of days earlier today as well and aside from it taking like 90-120 minutes it was easy as can be. Though if I had a little less health/defense than I do now Yuuki and Ryouko could would have been one shitting me with their crits. Stats for comparison (IMG:[ puu.sh] http://puu.sh/rEVHC/fa8e2af963.png) Now Nintendo on the other hand... well , 1 ED = 90k , now even reach 93k (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) shrine them (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) 90~120min (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) do you use rapier ??? if yes , you need higher damage output from ADB (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Oct 11 2016, 09:29
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Diddy_
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 11 2016, 02:33)  90~120min (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) do you use rapier ??? if yes , you need higher damage output from ADB (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) 420k hp per schoolgirl was a lot to deal with almost every round for me I'm stuck with a sup rapier of balance right now, two of my armor pieces (helm + gauntlet) are normal plate still and the rest is pretty crappy pre.82 unassigned superiors so my ADB is quite low. This new equipment level system makes it really hard for us 200s to find stuff, especially if you don't have thousands of soul fragments to spare (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Gotta grind exp hard so I can get into the 300s as soon as possible.
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Oct 11 2016, 09:35
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-Shun-
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 11 2016, 14:33)  well , 1 ED = 90k , now even reach 93k (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) shrine them (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Wouldn't it be better to just sell artifacts off in WTS to fund the drop chance some more before trying to shrine them for a chance at a few stats and ED? saw the recent 1k artifact results in the accomplishment thread and thats around 2 ED per 10 artifacts. so 183k (assuming average ED price is 91.5k) vs 205k (assuming the average artifact price is 20.5k) Unless of course he already has his archeology up the later half. I'm still at 3/10 so no way I can shrine them while they're still too rare for me :< QUOTE(Diddy_ @ Oct 11 2016, 15:29)  420k hp per schoolgirl was a lot to deal with almost every round for me I'm stuck with a sup rapier of balance right now, two of my armor pieces (helm + gauntlet) are normal plate still and the rest is pretty crappy pre.82 unassigned superiors so my ADB is quite low. This new equipment level system makes it really hard for us 200s to find stuff, especially if you don't have thousands of soul fragments to spare (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Gotta grind exp hard so I can get into the 300s as soon as possible. Non SG arenas should be enough for exp grind. I dont think the exp from SG arenas could justify the time spent on them. That and people already told me they're just for farming SG trophies anyway which is more the job of your drop chance levels instead of difficulty (I think...) This post has been edited by IshimaruShun: Oct 11 2016, 09:39
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Oct 11 2016, 09:39
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Oct 11 2016, 07:35)  Wouldn't it be better to just sell artifacts off in WTS to fund the drop chance some more before trying to shrine them for a chance at a few stats and ED? saw the recent 1k artifact results in the accomplishment thread and thats around 2 ED per 10 artifacts. so 183k (assuming average ED price is 91.5k) vs 205k (assuming the average artifact price is 20.5k)
Unless of course he already has his archeology up the later half. I'm still at 3/10 so no way I can shrine them while they're still too rare for me :< I'd assume that the average profit of shrining an artifact is almost exactly equal to the average profit of selling the results of shrining. But, the real reason to sell artifacts instead of artifact proceeds is that it's a lot easier to sell 10x or 100x or 1000x artifacts at once than it is to sell the combined the shrine results - except for high level players who have lots of everything anyway.
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Oct 11 2016, 09:40
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(IshimaruShun @ Oct 11 2016, 09:35)  Wouldn't it be better to just sell artifacts off in WTS to fund the drop chance some more before trying to shrine them for a chance at a few stats and ED? saw the recent 1k artifact results in the accomplishment thread and thats around 2 ED per 10 artifacts. so 183k (assuming average ED price is 91.5k) vs 205k (assuming the average artifact price is 20.5k)
And 2 hath are worth at least 11k, 1k crystal 36k/12 and last elixir 700C. Do the math and you will see that shrining is the better choice in the long run. QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 11 2016, 09:39)  But, the real reason to sell artifacts instead of artifact proceeds is that it's a lot easier to sell 10x or 100x or 1000x artifacts at once than it is to sell the combined the shrine results - except for high level players who have lots of everything anyway.
ED@92k and hath @5.7k are easy enough to sell, and with 20% chance you reach more than 20.5k of value with just those. Unless someone is buying artifacts for at least 21.5/22k selling them is not really a good choice. This post has been edited by Sapo84: Oct 11 2016, 09:44
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