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post Oct 9 2016, 22:15
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post Oct 9 2016, 22:23
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btw, is it only my impression or Hath price is going down? any opinion on its tendency? basically, is it better to sell it or hoard it?
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post Oct 9 2016, 22:28
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 16:23) *

btw, is it only my impression or Hath price is going down? any opinion on its tendency? basically, is it better to sell it or hoard it?


I would say hoard it until new hath perks are added, I remember last time that happened the price of hath went up 1-2k credits each in the exchange.

Also random question but, why is nimble usually preferred for offhand in dw builds? I figured balance would be better offensively.

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post Oct 9 2016, 22:43
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ Oct 9 2016, 22:28) *

Also random question but, why is nimble usually preferred for offhand in dw builds? I figured balance would be better offensively.

Because dw appreciates defense from parry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Oct 9 2016, 22:44
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ Oct 9 2016, 22:28) *

I would say hoard it until new hath perks are added, I remember last time that happened the price of hath went up 1-2k credits each in the exchange.

the only matter is to know when they will be released. but yep, good point. thanks.

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Also random question but, why is nimble usually preferred for offhand in dw builds? I figured balance would be better offensively.

because offhand weapon on DW builds has an ADB penalty (-20%) and a Parry boost (+50%, iirc)
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post Oct 9 2016, 22:45
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finally completed DWD on PF and i have concluded that it isnt worth it for me to do right now. thought i was going to hit lvl 500 before i finished it. maybe when i finally get myself some slaughter armor and dont forget to use dark or holy infusions will i consider doing this again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

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post Oct 9 2016, 22:47
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 16:44) *

the only matter is to know when they will be released. but yep, good point. thanks.
because offhand weapon on DW builds has an ADB penalty (-20%) and a Parry boost (+50%, iirc)


Yeah but balance allows for 100% offhand chance and much higher crit, that's why I was wondering.
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post Oct 9 2016, 22:47
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6.07 t/s...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh.
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post Oct 9 2016, 22:58
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QUOTE(Drksrpnt @ Oct 9 2016, 22:47) *

Yeah but balance allows for 100% offhand chance and much higher crit, that's why I was wondering.

i'm speaking about Rapier/Waki here.
my Shade build with a very slightly forged Waki of Nimble has 91% Offhand chance and 51% Crit Chance (61% with Heartseeker on?). and i only have one Shadowdancer piece.
they seem pretty high anyways. on the other hand, Parry is 84% - and never enough.
also, with such Parry boost, forging Parry has a noticeable effect even at lv25 (maybe only a decimal digit on stats page, but still...) while Crit effect is close to zero even at lv12.

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post Oct 9 2016, 23:05
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 9 2016, 22:47) *

6.07 t/s...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh.

Bugged result, nearly 22k turns is next to impossible with a 1H rapier build.
It also printed 167 additional turns with infinity t/s (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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(61% with Heartseeker on?)

More likely 55.9% (51 + (100-51)*10/100).

And rapier offhand may be better of balance, since the extra hits, crit and PA may be worth the loss of parry.

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post Oct 9 2016, 23:09
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 9 2016, 14:47) *

6.07 t/s...mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmh.


complements of my new laptop, i7 6700k is a monster. just wish i had some slaughter gear or a redwood destruction staff to get some better use out of my t/s.

while im here is THIS worth investing any bindings of slaughter into it?
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post Oct 9 2016, 23:11
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 9 2016, 15:05) *

Bugged result, nearly 22k turns is next to impossible with a 1H rapier build.
It also printed 167 additional turns with infinity t/s (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)




what do you mean by impossible cause i was using 1h rapier build
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post Oct 9 2016, 23:13
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QUOTE(jackalo @ Oct 9 2016, 23:09) *

complements of my new laptop, i7 6700k is a monster. just wish i had some slaughter gear or a redwood destruction staff to get some better use out of my t/s.

Problem is t/s are capped server-side at 4 t/s, so anything >4 is bugged.

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while im here is THIS worth investing any bindings of slaughter into it?

It's a fine rapier with a fantastic IW, it's a worth investment, if you find something better you cal always salvage it and get back 90% of the materials so nothing is really wasted.

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what do you mean by impossible cause i was using 1h rapier build

A decent/good 1h rapier build should complete DWD in less than 10k turns.
22k turns is more than double that, so it's probably a bug in the turns counter.

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post Oct 9 2016, 23:16
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QUOTE(jackalo @ Oct 9 2016, 22:45) *

finally completed DWD on PF and i have concluded that it isnt worth it for me to do right now. thought i was going to hit lvl 500 before i finished it. maybe when i finally get myself some slaughter armor and dont forget to use dark or holy infusions will i consider doing this again. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

1 hour without Slaughter armors and Holy/Dark strike? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

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More likely 55.9% (51 + (100-51)*10/100).

ah. so 10% of the non-crit chance? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
wouldn't it be more plausible +10% of starting Crit chance? so 51 * 1.1 = 56.1 ?
almost same result though, so i guess it doesn't really matter...

QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 9 2016, 23:05) *

And rapier offhand may be better of balance, since the extra hits, crit and PA may be worth the loss of parry.

as i said previously - i was speaking about Rapier/Waki.
with Rapier offhand, if mainhand is Club and you have a Speed decent enough for a certain amount of mobs to be stunned, then yep, maybe Balance is better.
but if mainhand is Axe or Shortsword, i wouldn't be so sure.
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post Oct 9 2016, 23:20
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 9 2016, 23:13) *

It's a fine rapier with a fantastic IW, it's a worth investment, if you find something better you cal always salvage it and get back 90% of the materials so nothing is really wasted.

since we're speaking about 130k-worth bindings, i'd still suggest to stop at a number of levels that would allow to earn back a integer amount of bindings.
for example:
15 bindings -> 0.9 * (15 - 5) = 9 bindings returned is good.
16 bindings -> 0.9 * (16 - 5) ~ 9 bindings returned is bad. 1 binding ~ 130k lost.
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post Oct 9 2016, 23:22
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 9 2016, 15:13) *

A decent/good 1h rapier build should complete DWD in less than 10k turns.
22k turns is more than double that, so it's probably a bug in the turns counter.


it took me 160 turns to kill the last round which has 3 leg bosses.

there are more then 50 rounds with 3 leg bosses not including normal monsters which means it could easily take me 200+ turns a round for the last 50 rounds.

200 x 50 = 10k turns for last 50 rounds

it is safe to say the first 100 rounds took me atleast 10k turns to do.

22k rounds seems accurate based on these stats. which means i have a trash 1h rapier build excluding my rapier.


QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 15:20) *

since we're speaking about 130k-worth bindings, i'd still suggest to stop at a number of levels that would allow to earn back a integer amount of bindings.
for example:
15 bindings -> 0.9 * (15 - 5) = 9 bindings returned is good.
16 bindings -> 0.9 * (16 - 5) ~ 9 bindings returned is bad. 1 binding ~ 130k lost.


so lvl 15 or 20 physical would be the optimal point to stop?

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22k rounds seems accurate based on these stats

Then you're risking getting banned since going above 4 t/s is not allowed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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so lvl 15 or 20 physical would be the optimal point to stop?

15, 25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 100.

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QUOTE(jackalo @ Oct 9 2016, 23:22) *

it took me 160 turns to kill the last round which has 3 leg bosses.

Last round is usually the one that requires more turns since Drogon has a fuckton of HPs.
It takes something like 70-80 for me, and I can close DWD in 6k turns (more or less).
22k is absurd and not possible in 59 minutes of time because t/s are capped at 4.

Also DWD has 37 rounds with normal monsters only, 37 rounds with 1 SG, 38 rounds with 2SGs, 37 rounds with 3SGs plus the final rounds against the three dragons, definitely not 50 rounds with 3 bosses..

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post Oct 9 2016, 23:46
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 9 2016, 15:37) *

Then you're risking getting banned since going above 4 t/s is not allowed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
15, 25, 35, 45, 55, 65, 75, 85, 95, 100.



mkay it bust be bugged then. 60x60 = 3600 x (max t/s 4) = 14400 total turns

is there anyway for me to get the display correctly cause it tends to regularly show over 4 t/s when doing hellfest or any kind of long arena.



extra question, would fusrodah be better for hellfest instead of godslayer and OFC ?

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 22:23) *

btw, is it only my impression or Hath price is going down? any opinion on its tendency? basically, is it better to sell it or hoard it?


Search for the thread in my signature's quote of the month.

It explains indirectly what's going on with HatH and GPs.

It may be there to stay if no HatH perks are added.
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