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Oct 9 2016, 16:26
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arialinnoc
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 21:18)  did you have enough SP?
yes. it was not just SoL but absobing ward also dispelled.
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Oct 9 2016, 16:33
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(arialinnoc @ Oct 9 2016, 16:26)  yes. it was not just SoL but absobing ward also dispelled.
it happened to me once too a few days ago. i mean, i didn't have Absorbing Ward but Spark failed. only reason i can think about is that i was hit by strong attacks which ate my SP due to Spirit Shield and thus Spark failed, all in one turn. i cannot be sure since i closed the tab by mistake and didn't read the log, but still...
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Oct 9 2016, 16:39
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arialinnoc
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 21:33)  it happened to me once too a few days ago. i mean, i didn't have Absorbing Ward but Spark failed. only reason i can think about is that i was hit by strong attacks which ate my SP due to Spirit Shield and thus Spark failed, all in one turn. i cannot be sure since i closed the tab by mistake and didn't read the log, but still...
if spark failed the log says failed due to insufficient spirit iirc
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Oct 9 2016, 18:09
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Unindex
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Oct 9 2016, 18:17
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Unindex @ Oct 9 2016, 18:09)  i guess the Protection one.
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Oct 9 2016, 18:37
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Unindex
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I hope the difference makes up for 200k
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Oct 9 2016, 18:45
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Unindex @ Oct 9 2016, 18:37)  I hope the difference makes up for 200k
if you have to buy soul fragments, then you'd better wait for other opinions
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Oct 9 2016, 18:46
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RoadShoe
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How reliable is pxp to determine which piece to wear if all 3 have the same suffix.
IE - 3 arcanist leggings.. 2 are 401, the 3rd is 404. Would it be safe to assume overall that the 404 is the best?
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Oct 9 2016, 18:56
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Unindex
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 18:45)  if you have to buy soul fragments, then you'd better wait for other opinions
I meant the price for the armor I didn't have
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Oct 9 2016, 19:01
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RoadShoe
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QUOTE(Unindex @ Oct 9 2016, 18:09)  Disclaimer: This goes against the question I just asked here. I asked that because I'm lazy and I don't want to go through the following steps. Check your character's overall attributes combined with a feel of where you struggle the most in actual play. Hover the attributes of those 3 you're choosing between to get your base numbers. Going by the highest base numbers, decide which piece overall will help you where your attributes are low and/or you feel you are struggling. Paper/pen or quick spreadsheet helps. This post has been edited by redphil: Oct 9 2016, 19:02
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Oct 9 2016, 19:15
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(redphil @ Oct 9 2016, 18:46)  How reliable is pxp to determine which piece to wear if all 3 have the same suffix.
IE - 3 arcanist leggings.. 2 are 401, the 3rd is 404. Would it be safe to assume overall that the 404 is the best?
afaik PXP should be somehow related to the sum of all stats. but even if it was, when you do a sum you lose all infos about addends - in other words, even if it had higher rolls, you should compare which are the better ones. you yourself just said it, iirc QUOTE(Unindex @ Oct 9 2016, 18:56)  I meant the price for the armor I didn't have
didn't note it wasn't yours. well, i checked a couple of rolls and it seemed to me that the Protection one had a bit higher rolls - apart for the slightly better suffix. but again, i guess other opinions are needed since you should buy it.
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Oct 9 2016, 19:17
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 19:15)  afaik PXP should be somehow related to the sum of all stats. but even if it was, when you do a sum you lose all infos about addends - in other words, even if it had higher rolls, you should compare which are the better ones. you yourself just said it, iirc
Yup. Usually it's like this, but for example this mag mace has very low pxp (exq level) but has almost MMax ADB (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Oct 9 2016, 19:20
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Unindex
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QUOTE(redphil @ Oct 9 2016, 19:01)  Disclaimer: This goes against the question I just asked here. I asked that because I'm lazy and I don't want to go through the following steps.
Check your character's overall attributes combined with a feel of where you struggle the most in actual play. Hover the attributes of those 3 you're choosing between to get your base numbers.
Going by the highest base numbers, decide which piece overall will help you where your attributes are low and/or you feel you are struggling.
Paper/pen or quick spreadsheet helps.
Well, I'm out of credits as well as stamina, therefore I can't test deep grinfest. The arenas are too easy.
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Oct 9 2016, 20:03
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RoadShoe
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 19:15)  afaik PXP should be somehow related to the sum of all stats. but even if it was, when you do a sum you lose all infos about addends - in other words, even if it had higher rolls, you should compare which are the better ones. you yourself just said it, iirc didn't note it wasn't yours. well, i checked a couple of rolls and it seemed to me that the Protection one had a bit higher rolls - apart for the slightly better suffix. but again, i guess other opinions are needed since you should buy it.
It's such a pain to analyze the data. But you're right. Stepping through the stats pays off. QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 9 2016, 19:17)  Yup. Usually it's like this, but for example this mag mace has very low pxp (exq level) but has almost MMax ADB (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Wow... and it's a mag (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) ... Nice!!! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) QUOTE(Unindex @ Oct 9 2016, 19:20)  Well, I'm out of credits as well as stamina, therefore I can't test deep grinfest. The arenas are too easy.
The arenas are too easy? You athletes piss me off. (jk (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) )
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Oct 9 2016, 20:20
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 9 2016, 19:17)  Yup. Usually it's like this, but for example this mag mace has very low pxp (exq level) but has almost MMax ADB (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) it misses a PAB. just saying. QUOTE(redphil @ Oct 9 2016, 20:03)  The arenas are too easy? You athletes piss me off. (jk (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) ) you, sir, are playing wrong in some way. mind if i ask you what do you usually do? DW style with Rapier + Waki and Shades, and then? what do you usually cast, for example?
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Oct 9 2016, 20:23
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Juggernaut Santa
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 20:20)  it misses a PAB. just saying.
Really? I'm not even considering AGI in melee builds (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) This post has been edited by ppp82p: Oct 9 2016, 20:24
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Oct 9 2016, 20:40
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RoadShoe
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 20:20)  it misses a PAB. just saying. you, sir, are playing wrong in some way. mind if i ask you what do you usually do? DW style with Rapier + Waki and Shades, and then? what do you usually cast, for example?
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Yeah, I need to stop that. What I do is exactly the same as nobody and ppp do when they say they are po HV players. I did struggle a lot for a while in the higher difficulties. But I haven't struggled for at least a month or more. I need to stop with the "Barely surviving" routine. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) It's not true. It's not true at all. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) Another disclaimer though.. I only play PFUDOR on FSM... which I fly through, using Heartseeker and Regen for giggles. (Following a myth saying FSM gives good drops.. it doesn't.) I still only play hard difficulty trying to keep my level down as I strengthen my armor, etc. Edit: Because I screwed up getting those stars instead of Adopt a Servers at the beginning. That 300% extra causes a skyrocket effect when combined with PFUDOR. I promise to stop playing that card now. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) This post has been edited by redphil: Oct 9 2016, 20:45
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Oct 9 2016, 21:02
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Oct 9 2016, 20:23)  Really? I'm not even considering AGI in melee builds (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) pretty important in Shade builds. also, if really PXP0 is made by the sum of all base stats, then it's the reason for its low PXP - even if ADB is outstanding on its own. QUOTE(redphil @ Oct 9 2016, 20:40)  Another disclaimer though.. I only play PFUDOR on FSM... which I fly through, using Heartseeker and Regen for giggles.
if you allow me, at your level it would be quite bad if you weren't able to do at least PF FSM, either with 1H or DW (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(redphil @ Oct 9 2016, 20:40)  (Following a myth saying FSM gives good drops.. it doesn't.)
yep. lately i did it only for the token drop and the noodly. but since i don't need noodlies anymore (i guess i almost-randomly gifted half of the last 20 or so i dropped), only the token remained. nowadays i prefer to do Konata ROB since 5 Konatas usually give me 2~3 tokens on average.
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Oct 9 2016, 21:36
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RoadShoe
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 9 2016, 21:02)  pretty important in Shade builds. also, if really PXP0 is made by the sum of all base stats, then it's the reason for its low PXP - even if ADB is outstanding on its own. if you allow me, at your level it would be quite bad if you weren't able to do at least PF FSM, either with 1H or DW (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) yep. lately i did it only for the token drop and the noodly. but since i don't need noodlies anymore (i guess i almost-randomly gifted half of the last 20 or so i dropped), only the token remained. nowadays i prefer to do Konata ROB since 5 Konatas usually give me 2~3 tokens on average. Yeah... I took that joke a little too long. I'm sorry. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) The 1 blood konatas.. I never thought about that. I usually sell the noodlies when I build up a few. I don't use them.. And I starve for chaos more than anything else, and that's "with" tokenizer II. If you don't mind, I'm going to steal that idea. It makes more sense to do 5 konatas than building up 5 bloods for something I don't use. And... I could do 1 a day instead of FSM every few days. Thank you!!
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Oct 9 2016, 22:10
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(redphil @ Oct 9 2016, 21:36)  If you don't mind, I'm going to steal that idea. It makes more sense to do 5 konatas than building up 5 bloods for something I don't use. And... I could do 1 a day instead of FSM every few days.
waiting for a feedback, if you don't mind. it's quite random, but since i noted Konata can drop tokens too, it took me a big ration of bad luck for 5 Konatas to be worth as little as 1 FSM, token-wise
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