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Would it be better to get a cold destruction one or a cold niflheim one? Taking into consideration the cost of acquiring and upgrading.

Also would it be ok to go 4 phases with an elementalist pants?

Destruction is significantly better with very heavy forging. Without forging or with little forging, there's less difference and you might go with whatever's easiest for your budget (which would likely be Niflheim).

But staff is by far the most important slot, so I'd do everything possible to get a high quality Destruction one.

Pants for prof is OK for redwood. I haven't done the math, but I think cap is better if you're going to forge prof all the way on both prof piece and staff - but that's quite expensive, and a better slot will save you a lot of HGC if you're not rich.

depend on your budget , but LARD is more expensive than LARN or LARE (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Well, I remember seeing 1 go for ~1m at Lian's this week so I think I can manage.

Destruction is significantly better with very heavy forging. Without forging or with little forging, there's less difference and you might go with whatever's easiest for your budget (which would likely be Niflheim).

But staff is by far the most important slot, so I'd do everything possible to get a high quality Destruction one.

Pants for prof is OK for redwood. I haven't done the math, but I think cap is better if you're going to forge prof all the way on both prof piece and staff - but that's quite expensive, and a better slot will save you a lot of HGC if you're not rich.

Ouch, the word "significatly" hits home hard. I had secretly wanted a cold niflheim one because the name sounds much more cooler and refined. But destruction it is then.

Cap as a prof piece is a no go for me since I already invested heavily in a good phase cap.
Can I get away with full prof forging on staff and 5 phases?

Can I get away with full prof forging on staff and 5 phases?

Monsters will remain with a whole lot of mitigation even after Imperil with that setup, you'll probably find yourself doing much less damage than you'd like.

Proficiency has increasing returns when considering mitigation reduction. So if you have some prof but not all that much, it won't help you much.

Monsters will remain with a whole lot of mitigation even after Imperil with that setup, you'll probably find yourself doing much less damage than you'd like.

Proficiency has increasing returns when considering mitigation reduction. So if you have some prof but not all that much, it won't help you much.

Then....how about prof shoes instead? I think this will be as good as a prof cap right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Then....how about prof shoes instead? I think this will be as good as a prof cap right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Shoes have a moderately lower gear multiplier. Even with Pmax prof on staff and shoes, full forging might not get you to 0.68 prof_factor, and you really really want to get very close to 0.68. It maximizes the mitigation-reduction usefulness of your prof stats after Imperil.

If you figure out what staff you're going to get, and you know how much you'll be going to forge it and your prof piece, you can use that to figure out which slot is necessary to get to 0.68 prof_factor. If you're not going to forge to 50, I'm pretty sure shoes won't be enough regardless. But you're the one who knows which sort of equips you're looking at, so you'll have to do the math based on their stats.

6 HGC per level costs around 120k, and every upgrade past level ~20 will cost that much. It adds up very quickly. So don't be afraid to use a good gear slot for prof if budget is at all a concern.

Shoes have a moderately lower gear multiplier. Even with Pmax prof on staff and shoes, full forging might not get you to 0.68 prof_factor, and you really really want to get very close to 0.68. It maximizes the mitigation-reduction usefulness of your prof stats after Imperil.

If you figure out what staff you're going to get, and you know how much you'll be going to forge it and your prof piece, you can use that to figure out which slot is necessary to get to 0.68 prof_factor. If you're not going to forge to 50, I'm pretty sure shoes won't be enough regardless. But you're the one who knows which sort of equips you're looking at, so you'll have to do the math based on their stats.

6 HGC per level costs around 120k, and every upgrade past level ~20 will cost that much. It adds up very quickly. So don't be afraid to use a good gear slot for prof if budget is at all a concern.

Mmm...okay then. Thanks.
I need to head out now so I'll do the math when I get home.

The thing is that its not so much as whether is it affordable, but rather how long would it take to pay for itself.

is there someone with a certain amount of spare ponies? i did a trade with a certain user who was in need but now it's me who fell under the 21 threshold (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

[edit]: both latanium and sss answered, so i guess i should be good to go. sorry for OT

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 18 2016, 11:46

is there someone with a certain amount of spare ponies? i did a trade with a certain user who was in need but now it's me who fell under the 21 threshold (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Which do you need

1. Destruction is much better than edb-suffix and prof-suffix.
(especially heavy forging)

2. (Elementalist + 5P) and (Niflheim + 4P + prof cap) are almost same.
But 5P requires more phazons.

3. Elementalist could be better than Destruction if you have 5 Radiant phases.


4. I think 0.65-0.7 prof_factor is ideal for elemental mages.

To reach this point, you need to buy the prof hath perk and 14~15 base prof gears with full-forging.

- Peerless Redwood 8.28 + Peerless Cotton Shoes 6.7 = 14.98 : 0.703 prof
- Leg Redwood 8.1 + Leg Shoes 6.6 = 14.7
- Leg Redwood 7.5 + Leg Gloves 7.3 = 14.8

- Peerless Willow 6.14 + Peerless Cotton Cap 8.29 = 14.43 : 0.681 prof
- Leg Willow 6.1 + Leg Cap 8.2 = 14.3
- Leg Willow 5.8 + Leg Pants 8.9 = 14.7

I've just made the same switch from 1h cold mage to full cool mage. I've got:

L Redwood of Destruction, and it cost me way more than 1m, I can tell you. And you'd need good IW.

I've now got 0.66 (669 at level 403) prof. factor from:

staff - forged to 22 (base 7.38)
gloves - forged to 28 (base 7.43)

I'm going to forge more, because I do see "50% resisted" somtimes...

Good staffs are hard to find. Mine is 'fine', the Grandmasters told me, 'but not great'. Great is 10-20M, fine is 5-10M, if I understand correctly.

Hi people of HentaiVerse.

Got a question for you all, I'll play 2H with Leather armor until 150 under the advise from Superlatanium.
And then my question is Which primary Attribute shall i get ? I'm actually 42.
Also, what primary attribute will be the strongest/most valuable for the 2H player ?

An easy method is to keep everything even except for Int, which you can keep very low, since spell damage is not useful for melee. It's possible to optimize more but it's not important.

Use your XP on attributes ASAP, they help immediately and don't do any good saved up. You can always remove attribute points later if you feel like you want to.

Hi people of HentaiVerse.

Got a question for you all, I'll play 2H with Leather armor until 150 under the advise from Superlatanium.
And then my question is Which primary Attribute shall i get ? I'm actually 42.
Also, what primary attribute will be the strongest/most valuable for the 2H player ?

keep all PABs even - except INT, which you can safely leave behind.
assign all possible EXP points whenever you have enough to boost one stat, without caring whether they are equal to your level or not.

it should work for a hundred levels or so

Ty you for your reply all. And then i shoudn't care about wich stats is given by my item ?

Ty you for your reply all. And then i shoudn't care about wich stats is given by my item ?

usually, the more the better

1. Destruction is much better than edb-suffix and prof-suffix.
(especially heavy forging)

2. (Elementalist + 5P) and (Niflheim + 4P + prof cap) are almost same.
But 5P requires more phazons.

3. Elementalist could be better than Destruction if you have 5 Radiant phases.
4. I think 0.65-0.7 prof_factor is ideal for elemental mages.

To reach this point, you need to buy the prof hath perk and 14~15 base prof gears with full-forging.

- Peerless Redwood 8.28 + Peerless Cotton Shoes 6.7 = 14.98 : 0.703 prof
- Leg Redwood 8.1 + Leg Shoes 6.6 = 14.7
- Leg Redwood 7.5 + Leg Gloves 7.3 = 14.8

- Peerless Willow 6.14 + Peerless Cotton Cap 8.29 = 14.43 : 0.681 prof
- Leg Willow 6.1 + Leg Cap 8.2 = 14.3
- Leg Willow 5.8 + Leg Pants 8.9 = 14.7

So I can roll with arctic destruction willow and prof pants?

My calculations for level 500:

MDB: 51.71 = 1189.32

Redwood + Prof Cap:
EDB: 21.77+18.58 = 40.35 = 141.23
Raw Dmg: 1189.32+141.23% = 2869
Prof: 8.29+8.29 = 16.58 = 265.28 = 0.63

Willow + Prof Pants:
EDB: 11.32+16.97 = 28.29 = 99.02
Raw Dmg: 1189.32+99.02% = 2367
Prof: 6.15+9.09 = 15.24 = 243.84 = 0.59
Forging to reach 0.63 = 4

Well it looks like with the second combination, getting enough prof can be easily remedied by some forging.
So its between having more damage or having ~10% counter-resist + depreciating prof.
I think since as mages we probably spend more time imperiling enemies so the latter isn't a bad choice.
Even if the former is better, and I'm not saying it is, its definitely not ~10m credits better.

Edit:
So I think it's settled, I'll just need to buy a 50k willow since I already have a prof pants.

This post has been edited by LOL50015: Sep 18 2016, 18:25

So I can roll with arctic destruction willow and prof pants?

Edit:
So I think it's settled, I'll just need to buy a 50k willow since I already have a prof pants.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Well, you know where to find one!

So I can roll with arctic destruction willow and prof pants?

go elec mage.

go elec mage.

Sadly its too late for that.
I've sacrificed too much to change elements at this point.

I will keep a lookout for a redwood but at the same time, I'll have no qualms about taking a arctic willow if I have to.

Which one?

with the cotton = 0.87 prof factor, 229% EDB, 3118 MDB
with the phase = 0.51 prof factor, 291.7% EDB, 3129 MDB

2 different DwD run shows that both have almost equal turn spent (only differ by less than 2 percent from each other) - which I know not a conclusive one for statistical purpose.

anybody willing to do the math for me?

actually, would shelving the cotton and focusing with upgrading the phase would give a better outcome in the long run?