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Feb 26 2016, 22:38
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Feb 26 2016, 21:19)  I see what appears to be a number of 2nd accounts doing freeshops. Is that actually allowed? I'd love to be able to run a freeshop that isn't tied to my inventory. That's gonna get confusing with my future projects.
what do you mean exactly? if you're speaking about FreeSHop, back then the founder (animeai) made an agreement with Tenboro such as of us people listed in sig were allowed to work on that second account as members of an association, kind of. btw, i guess that piyin may need a hand. if you're speaking about private shops, that's personal discretion. you're not even forced to have a free section tbh.
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Feb 26 2016, 22:42
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 26 2016, 12:38)  what do you mean exactly? if you're speaking about FreeSHop, back then the founder (animeai) made an agreement with Tenboro such as of us people listed in sig were allowed to work on that second account as members of an association, kind of. btw, i guess that piyin may need a hand. if you're speaking about private shops, that's personal discretion. you're not even forced to have a free section tbh.
Of course I know I'm not forced. It would just be efficient to run that on another account that doesn't play HV. I guess the answer is "try to work it out with 10B"?
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Feb 26 2016, 23:02
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Feb 26 2016, 21:42)  Of course I know I'm not forced. It would just be efficient to run that on another account that doesn't play HV. I guess the answer is "try to work it out with 10B"?
nah, an account that does such work already exists. try to enter that one. i have no problems with that, try to ask piyin as well [edit]: btw, he changed both image and sig (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) This post has been edited by Scremaz: Feb 26 2016, 23:03
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Feb 27 2016, 00:15
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safmy
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I don't get it, you can buy back a salvaged item. Which means say if you wanted a lot of high-grade cloth you can just continuously do this at a slight loss (ok not slight but still)?
Does salvaging also return the soul fragments?
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Feb 27 2016, 00:32
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(safmy @ Feb 26 2016, 23:15)  I don't get it, you can buy back a salvaged item. Which means say if you wanted a lot of high-grade cloth you can just continuously do this at a slight loss (ok not slight but still)?
let's put it this way: since meanwhile the salvaged item acquired 100% condition, with the credits needed to buy back that particular item you may buy 5 HG cloths or so (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) QUOTE(safmy @ Feb 26 2016, 23:15)  Does salvaging also return the soul fragments?
nope. fragments and catalysts are meant as credit sinks, so they are burned permanently when used. be careful about what you soulfuse and how much you forge something
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Feb 27 2016, 00:39
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safmy
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 26 2016, 22:32)  let's put it this way: since meanwhile the salvaged item acquired 100% condition, with the credits needed to buy back that particular item you may buy 5 HG cloths or so (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) nope. fragments and catalysts are meant as credit sinks, so they are burned permanently when used. be careful about what you soulfuse and how much you forge something Yes it's true that the cost is prohibitive, but I'm struggling to find sellers. So if I only need a couple, then might as well do that. Or more sensibly to only salvage the craps lol. Is it safe to salvage heaven-sent, curse-weaver,protection,warding? Not sure if heimdall setup faces the same prof issue as elemental.
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Feb 27 2016, 00:45
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(safmy @ Feb 26 2016, 22:39)  Yes it's true that the cost is prohibitive, but I'm struggling to find sellers. So if I only need a couple, then might as well do that. Or more sensibly to only salvage the craps lol.
Is it safe to salvage heaven-sent, curse-weaver,protection,warding?
Not sure if heimdall setup faces the same prof issue as elemental. Salvage the craps is a good idea. Past level ~400, it's quite difficult to sell anything unless it's L-grade (except for a few exceptions like Radiant and Power Slaughter and matching staff, sometimes). Except for those, it's probably easiest just to salvage them rather than go to the hassle of trying to sell. Legendary Heaven-sent might be good, because it gives proficiency for an element. If Charged or Frugal, even better. The rest are junk. I've heard that holy/dark performs best with 3 + 2 (regardless of if you're using Imperil). Imperil doesn't reduce mitigation as much.
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Feb 27 2016, 01:51
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Logii
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 27 2016, 00:32)  nope. fragments and catalysts are meant as credit sinks, so they are burned permanently when used. be careful about what you soulfuse and how much you forge something
Does this mean that a salvaged equipment that was Soulbound becomes Untradeable instead of Soulbound if you buy it back from the Equipment Shop? I was just thinking recently that at least for weapons and non-rare type armors the buyback price might be less than the cost of Amnesia Shards, if you used salvaging to reset the potencies, at least for equipment that has ~7+ potencies. But this would only really work for unforged equipment (forged items increase the loss from salvaging) and assuming you don't lose 50+ Soul Fragments when you salvage the gear (if it was Soulbound to increase IW speed).
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Feb 27 2016, 02:12
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Logii @ Feb 27 2016, 00:51)  Does this mean that a salvaged equipment that was Soulbound becomes Untradeable instead of Soulbound if you buy it back from the Equipment Shop? I was just thinking recently that at least for weapons and non-rare type armors the buyback price might be less than the cost of Amnesia Shards, if you used salvaging to reset the potencies, at least for equipment that has ~7+ potencies. But this would only really work for unforged equipment (forged items increase the loss from salvaging) and assuming you don't lose 50+ Soul Fragments when you salvage the gear (if it was Soulbound to increase IW speed).
it remains Soulbound iirc, but not sure
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Feb 27 2016, 02:26
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Logii
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 27 2016, 02:12)  it remains Soulbound iirc, but not sure
QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 27 2016, 02:21)  http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=979b7c4147I soulfused. Now salvaged. Can be boughtback as Soulbound, rather than Untradable. Interesting. That means salvaging is definitely a way to make IW cheaper, at least for weapons and non-rare armor. For example this Magnificent Fiery Estoc of the Illithid I just salvaged costs only 41,820c to buy back, you can only buy ~2 Amnesias at that price, so salvaging would be profitable even after three potencies. Rare armor is more expensive to buy back though, so it wouldn't work that well. Last time I checked the buyback price of a Magnificent Phase piece and it was ~140k, which would still be barely profitable for the last two potencies. If I ever get back to doing IW on my cursed Wakizashi I might use this advantage. Only downside is that it's forged already, so I would lose ~150k in catalysts only + some materials. Well... At least it could work for future weapons (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Feb 27 2016, 02:48
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Logii
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 27 2016, 02:38)  since when do amnesias cost 20k? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) That is the current Item Shop Bot price, but you can see players buying them regularly for 17k in WTB, and still not getting them for that price. I doubt many of the 14-15k WTB offers get Amnesias sent to them, unless it's for a friend or something. You should also consider salvaging is much faster and easier than buying Amnesias. It would still be profitable even if you bought Amnesias for ~14k, you just need more potencies for it to to pay off. This would be beneficial especially when aiming for "perfect" 5/4 potencies. Speaking of which, is there a formula for calculating the Equipment Shop buyback price? Also am I just making a thing of something obvious that everyone already does? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Feb 27 2016, 03:17
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Logii @ Feb 27 2016, 01:48)  Speaking of which, is there a formula for calculating the Equipment Shop buyback price? Also am I just making a thing of something obvious that everyone already does? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) 5 times the regular price, which is 5 times the full selling price (at bazaar). basically, buyback price is 25 times the selling price at 100% condition. how condition affects prices is a whole other story. i guess that cond > 90% is quite acceptable of an esteem, but as for the rest... since you're applying this to gears that you plan to rebuy anyways, best choice is tu fully repair them and then do 25x
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Feb 27 2016, 03:23
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(Logii @ Feb 27 2016, 08:26)  Interesting. That means salvaging is definitely a way to make IW cheaper, at least for weapons and non-rare armor. For example this Magnificent Fiery Estoc of the Illithid I just salvaged costs only 41,820c to buy back, you can only buy ~2 Amnesias at that price, so salvaging would be profitable even after three potencies. Rare armor is more expensive to buy back though, so it wouldn't work that well. Last time I checked the buyback price of a Magnificent Phase piece and it was ~140k, which would still be barely profitable for the last two potencies. If I ever get back to doing IW on my cursed Wakizashi I might use this advantage. Only downside is that it's forged already, so I would lose ~150k in catalysts only + some materials. Well... At least it could work for future weapons (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) There are some people offering reforge service. Some are even super free. I doubt any Mag could be worth the cost of getting perfect IW potencies. I think I gave up on my peerless after 140+ shards.
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Feb 27 2016, 04:06
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Logii
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 27 2016, 03:17)  5 times the regular price, which is 5 times the full selling price (at bazaar). basically, buyback price is 25 times the selling price at 100% condition.
how condition affects prices is a whole other story. i guess that cond > 90% is quite acceptable of an esteem, but as for the rest... since you're applying this to gears that you plan to rebuy anyways, best choice is tu fully repair them and then do 25x
Thank you, I'll try to remember that 25x. The repair cost of non-rare equipment is small enough that it's better to calculate it like that. QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Feb 27 2016, 03:23)  There are some people offering reforge service. Some are even super free.
I doubt any Mag could be worth the cost of getting perfect IW potencies. I think I gave up on my peerless after 140+ shards.
I forgot about the reforge services, oops. However, it doesn't work with Soulbound equipment since you can't send it to reforge service anyway. In the end it might be a niche way of saving in IW costs, but in some cases it could work. Most probable use would be doing IW for a Magnificent or Legendary weapon that is Soulbound to make the IW faster. In the end you always have the option to use Amnesias, but it's not hard to calculate which way is cheaper. For example: I just repaired my Legendary Fiery Wakizashi of the Nimble and the Equipment Shop sell price is 4342c * 25 = 108550c to buy it back after salvaging. Assuming Amnesias are worth ~17k, you could buy ~6.4 Amnesias with it, so at potency tier 7 it would be cheaper to salvage it instead of using Amnesias. This however expects that the item is Soulbound (so you can't send it to reforge service) and is not upgraded (so you won't lose materials and catalysts).
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Feb 27 2016, 04:17
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safmy
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 26 2016, 22:45)  Salvage the craps is a good idea.
Past level ~400, it's quite difficult to sell anything unless it's L-grade (except for a few exceptions like Radiant and Power Slaughter and matching staff, sometimes). Except for those, it's probably easiest just to salvage them rather than go to the hassle of trying to sell.
Legendary Heaven-sent might be good, because it gives proficiency for an element. If Charged or Frugal, even better. The rest are junk.
I've heard that holy/dark performs best with 3 + 2 (regardless of if you're using Imperil). Imperil doesn't reduce mitigation as much.
No I didn't mean sell the salvagable stuff, I'd never do that anyway. I meant there's not enough people selling High grade mat to me. Which means I have to fund it in a different manner. So basically I should keep heaven-sent/demonic
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Feb 27 2016, 04:35
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Usagi =
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Say, does stamina or failing too many riddlemasters affect loot drops?
I feel like I'm getting real shitty drops ever since my stamina reach 30ish
This post has been edited by LOL50015: Feb 27 2016, 04:35
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Feb 27 2016, 04:59
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Feb 27 2016, 05:35)  Say, does stamina or failing too many riddlemasters affect loot drops?
I feel like I'm getting real shitty drops ever since my stamina reach 30ish
answer : )
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Feb 27 2016, 06:32
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Lamiae
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Speaking of Amnesia Tokens:
(I asked this question in the general thread and apologize for the redundancy.)
I am using a club and shield. I've leveled a club to 7 and got Fatality (max) and Overpower. Overpower is bad for this style. Is it so bad that I should seek out Amnesia Shards and clear the weapon (then clear it over and over until I get Brutaility as the first pick from Item World)? Or is the weapon good enough and I should level it to 10?
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