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https://ehwiki.org/wiki/gallery_points

Also i disagree about tokens being better than soul fragments, the latter are much harder to come by and you usually need them in high quantities.

Problem is I can easily get 4 soul token for 40k from the bazaar.

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/gallery_points

Also i disagree about tokens being better than soul fragments, the latter are much harder to come by and you usually need them in high quantities.

It depends on level.

At low level, soul fragments nearly directly correspond to an increase in equipment quality, or a decrease in equipment price, or both. They're essential.

At high level, significant usage of soul fragments is rarely needed. Eg. a full set of 6 gears * 60 fragments = 360 fragments, which can be acquired in 2 months. But we've been collecting soul fragments for many, many more months than that, so getting additional ones is nearly completely useless for us.

It depends on level.

At low level, soul fragments nearly directly correspond to an increase in equipment quality, or a decrease in equipment price, or both. They're essential.

At high level, significant usage of soul fragments is rarely needed. Eg. a full set of 6 gears * 60 fragments = 360 fragments, which can be acquired in 2 months. But we've been collecting soul fragments for many, many more months than that, so getting additional ones is nearly completely useless for us.

That perplexed me when I first saw that as well. But oh well, I guess in two pfest you can get 20 tokens too, ez pz?

So 2 questions. Is it better to go prof legs/feet and phase helm/body/hands or 4/1 setup? I've found that breaking that 1.69 factor of prof helps significantly in the clear speed at pfudor.

Question two, how do I make good use of a golden ticket O_O. By no more than 10 percent does that mean if the pot has 10k tickets and I buy 600, when I use the ticket it will give me no more than 400?

That perplexed me when I first saw that as well. But oh well, I guess in two pfest you can get 20 tokens too, ez pz?

Token drop rate does not depend on difficulty (except for low level players, but low level players don't play GF anyway).

So 2 questions. Is it better to go prof legs/feet and phase helm/body/hands or 4/1 setup? I've found that breaking that 1.69 factor of prof helps significantly in the clear speed at pfudor.

That's the right idea. You know the result you want, which is something around 1.7 prof_factor to completely remove monster mitigation with Imperil, so the rest is just math based on how much you can afford to forge.

Eg if you can forge to 50 (very expensive), feet or cap alone might be enough to get to 1.69 or so. But if you can only forge to 25, for instance, you might want prof slot to be robe instead. And so on. You just want to avoid going over ~1.7 prof_factor at all costs (given your prof slot and forge level), because that means wasted potential EDB.

https://ehwiki.org/wiki/gallery_points

Also i disagree about tokens being better than soul fragments, the latter are much harder to come by and you usually need them in high quantities.

you can get 6 souls a day.... im level 284 and since start i got less than 25 blood tokens.

you can get 6 souls a day.... im level 284 and since start i got less than 25 blood tokens.

Level 262 and I got 24 blood tokens in total.
14 of them are from the lottery, that makes it 10 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
As for soul fragments, I've gathered ±250 of them now.

Token drop rate does not depend on difficulty (except for low level players, but low level players don't play GF anyway).
That's the right idea. You know the result you want, which is something around 1.7 prof_factor to completely remove monster mitigation with Imperil, so the rest is just math based on how much you can afford to forge.

Eg if you can forge to 50 (very expensive), feet or cap alone might be enough to get to 1.69 or so. But if you can only forge to 25, for instance, you might want prof slot to be robe instead. And so on. You just want to avoid going over ~1.7 prof_factor at all costs (given your prof slot and forge level), because that means wasted potential EDB.

Oh what, difficulty doesn't change token drop rate? So I could do all the arenas in hell and get the same result?

WTF...

Oh what, difficulty doesn't change token drop rate? So I could do all the arenas in hell and get the same result?

WTF...

Yeah, just like the wiki says...

Question two, how do I make good use of a golden ticket O_O. By no more than 10 percent does that mean if the pot has 10k tickets and I buy 600, when I use the ticket it will give me no more than 400?

If at the time of the drawing the pot was 10k then yes, your ticket count would effectively cap at 1000.

I have token3 and I don't get 20 chaos tokens per fest. Blood tokens ~ 5 per fest. Artifacts 5-10 per fest.

Maybe other players who have token3 can share their drops with us to compare.

its ~20 tokens per fest, 25% is blood token something like that.

Shitty or salvagable?

[GS-Phase-0]Magnificent Frugal Phase Shoes of Niflheim(441)

tell me.

you can get 6 souls a day.... im level 284 and since start i got less than 25 blood tokens.

Level 262 and I got 24 blood tokens in total.
14 of them are from the lottery, that makes it 10 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
As for soul fragments, I've gathered ±250 of them now.

just do the 2nd page arenas at whatever difficulty. eventually you'll drop a few of them - if nothing else, as clear bonus. i suggest you to do SGs (if any!) at Hard, and all the rest at Hell.

Oh what, difficulty doesn't change token drop rate? So I could do all the arenas in hell and get the same result?

yep.

Shitty or salvagable?

[GS-Phase-0]Magnificent Frugal Phase Shoes of Niflheim(441)

tell me.

shitty

Yeah, just like the wiki says...

The best part about this is remember reading it as well. But for some reason along the way I decided I was never going to go < PF because it's wasting my levelling time and ED unnecessarily. Now I'm finding myself short on time to clear sg arena as well as overloaded with ED...

Question on forged items, is there an easy method to find out what the base was prior to forging? Let's say the damage was forged to 100, I understand from the diminishing return basically at best you get 75% of the initial base upgrade. So I've divided whatever the base is by 1.75 to get the "assumed" initial base. Is this the right way about this?

Question on forged items, is there an easy method to find out what the base was prior to forging? Let's say the damage was forged to 100, I understand from the diminishing return basically at best you get 75% of the initial base upgrade. So I've divided whatever the base is by 1.75 to get the "assumed" initial base. Is this the right way about this?

formula is:

CODE

1 + 0.278875 * ln ( 1 + 0.1 * forge_level )  ADB/MDB
1 + 0.2 * ln ( 1 + 0.1 * forge_level )  all the rest

forge lv100 gives you +66% ADB, therefore you have to divide by 1.66. though you have to consider that it stacks multiplicatively with IW, thus if Butcher is present you have to divide by something like ( 1 + 0.02 * BUT_level ) as well.

formula is:

CODE

1 + 0.278875 * ln ( 1 + 0.1 * forge_level )  ADB/MDB
1 + 0.2 * ln ( 1 + 0.1 * forge_level )  all the rest

forge lv100 gives you +66% ADB, therefore you have to divide by 1.66. though you have to consider that it stacks multiplicatively with IW, thus if Butcher is present you have to divide by something like ( 1 + 0.02 * BUT_level ) as well.

I'm pretty sure that the formulas are not really correct and they overestimate the forge effect.
Let's take this leggings as an example.
Unforged ADB is 19.75 (check this auction).
Is forged to 10, so it should be 19.75 * (1 + 0.278875 * ln(2)) = 23.56.
Base ADB is instead 23.39.

Problem is I can easily get 4 soul token for 40k from the bazaar.

GETING SOUL FRAGMENT FROM BAZZARRRRRR

FUCKING RICHHHHHHHHH (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

This post has been edited by karyl123: Feb 24 2016, 13:37

I'm pretty sure that the formulas are not really correct and they overestimate the forge effect.
Let's take this leggings as an example.
Unforged ADB is 19.75 (check this auction).
Is forged to 10, so it should be 19.75 * (1 + 0.278875 * ln(2)) = 23.56.
Base ADB is instead 23.39.

Thank you. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

I'm pretty sure that the formulas are not really correct and they overestimate the forge effect.
Let's take this leggings as an example.
Unforged ADB is 19.75 (check this auction).
Is forged to 10, so it should be 19.75 * (1 + 0.278875 * ln(2)) = 23.56.
Base ADB is instead 23.39.

0,73% mistake. maybe a rounding in the multiplicative coefficient? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

0,73% mistake. maybe a rounding in the multiplicative coefficient? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

It's possible, but that means it's always rounded down because I checked three different equips and there is always some kind of error (0.5%-1% from what I remember, so in line with the leggings ADB).

If I had time I would check each stats of the leggings to see the variations (if it's constant or near-constant it's not a rounding problem) but I'm a bit busy at the moment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)