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post Feb 21 2016, 04:28
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QUOTE(simrock87 @ Feb 21 2016, 02:21) *
The difference in actual healing change for Cure is pretty much negligible imho. May, possibly, let you set your hover-script 3-4% lower for heal-trigger but that's barely noticable.
The problem with supportive for Cure is that Fullcure is always better, and that's all 1h should ever need - and mages should be using potions instead of Cures if they need health while FC is still on CD, because potions take no action time and cost near nothing, while Cures take a moderate amount of action time.
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post Feb 21 2016, 04:31
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QUOTE(formigao @ Feb 21 2016, 05:25) *

hum dont have this arcana... maybe IWBTH is too hard for me...because i relly need to always use mana pots


Which is fine considering your level. Just take your time to enjoy the game. If you like high difficulty with huge credit waste (like me) then go for the max settings. If you like an easy stroll in the park then go a diff lower.

But you could reduce the need to cure by trying to get a good shield with high block. Also as the others have said, focus on full curing first.
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post Feb 21 2016, 04:36
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 21 2016, 03:28) *

The problem with supportive for Cure is that Fullcure is always better, and that's all 1h should ever need

Which scenario are we talking about?
Unless 100 rounds IW or fest Fullcure is not really needed.
Pretty unlikely that with 1H you need to cure two times in the same round, so cure is doing the same job for a fraction of the cost.
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post Feb 21 2016, 05:41
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Feb 21 2016, 02:36) *
Which scenario are we talking about?
Unless 100 rounds IW or fest Fullcure is not really needed.
Pretty unlikely that with 1H you need to cure two times in the same round, so cure is doing the same job for a fraction of the cost.
IMO Fullcure > Cure no matter the battle type. Sure, FC costs more, but the cost of mana is low, especially if you're barely even using Draughts. When I stopped Curing as 1h and switched to FC only, I found that my health occasionally went below my Cure threshold, but frequently recovered to 100% before reaching dangerously low levels where I'd use Fullcure. As 1h, Cure is not infrequently a wasted turn, since usually you'll be gaining significantly more health than you're losing. So maybe use Fullcure always (but only in the very rare times you need it, of course), save yourself a bunch of turns, while spending a negligible amount on draught turns in exchange. I'm pretty sure it's a moderate net gain, at least for me it was.
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post Feb 21 2016, 08:39
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 21 2016, 09:22) *

85 -> 350

I initially thought so as well, but it's actually not quite that bad. For me, a potion restores 1397, and I have a pool of 4708, and I'd use an elixir at ~500 (10% for IA, rarely 10%-25% if I get Sparked during that time).
Potion: 29% of pool restored for 85 credits = 286 credits per full pool restored
Elixir: 89% of pool restored for 350 credits = 392 credits per full pool restored

With this (somewhat naive) view, it's a bit more expensive, but still similar.

You can also factor in the cost per turn: a good mage's income is 50 credits/turn. A better way of looking at it might be:
Potion: 29% of pool restored for cost + opportunity cost of (85 + 50) credits = 455 credits per full pool restored
Elixir: 89% of pool restored for cost + opportunity cost of (350 + 50) credits = 448 credits per full pool restored

Looking at it this way, using elixirs is very slightly better than potions, at least for someone with my MP boost (153%) and income. And I have only 3 Capacitor potencies on all my gear. If I got more, or if I leveled up more, or increased my clearing ability (more speed -> more c/turn), Elixirs would become even more profitable over potions.

Lower level players with less MP Tank from level proficiency would be slightly disadvantaged, but it's still more than fine. I'd say to use a potion whenever you feel like using a potion (or never, if you want) and using an elixir whenever your mana gets low, no matter which one you choose, the effect on your net worth in the end will be too similar to care about.
I'm nitpicking, but - I used to think this way about a bunch of things too ("Doesn't matter if I use a bunch of spirit potions since I'll gain the same number during the battle series"), but it's a trap. Better to look at all costs and all revenue separately, since if you hadn't used them (whatever the items in question are), you'd get that much more value that could be sold.
I'm curious, did it feel like Force of Nature made any difference at all? I'd been thinking about it just because there's very little I can spend on...

Elixir is only 80% mp at best. You want to keep >20% mp for the spark rebuff.
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post Feb 21 2016, 09:13
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Feb 21 2016, 06:39) *
Elixir is only 80% mp at best. You want to keep >20% mp for the spark rebuff.
If I get Sparked below 25% MP I use a potion or elixir. The effect is regained instantly, and it uses 0 action time so you won't be killed during that turn (unless an enemy recovers from stun, which does not happen as mage). At least, that's what I've been doing for a while, and there haven't been any problems. I used to Fullcure first but then I realized it wasn't needed and was very slightly risky if the monsters all got lucky hits during the turn before I use the MP restorative. Still, you could probably do it in whichever order you wanted. I Cured/Fullcured first from 100-420? and never died.

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post Feb 21 2016, 09:38
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Feb 21 2016, 01:42) *

Channeling
Natural mana regen
Riddlemaster
Mana gem

you must be among the luckiest guy around here to drop so many channelings, riddles and gems. personally to see a riddle i have to call for Nik Kershaw (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

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With gold star + Effluent Ether + Resplendent Regeneration + Force of Nature I don't really need that much mana.

EE, RR, Force of Nature... where to find 2k Hath? robbing a bank? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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You do know that in WTB there is a good request of mana potions?
Why would I use something I can sell for 80 credits? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

you can afford such perks and are worried about 80c? sea is made of drops, but not at such point...

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(if you don't really care about the things you get for free by refreshing the page I would be willing to get your free 6 daily haths, just saying (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) )

now, that's a good idea. we may exchange our daily revenues, shall we? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Feb 21 2016, 02:42) *

With Force of Nature I can now finish an arena without mana draughts, which was very difficult before.
Probably not really worth 1000 haths but it's not like there are many cost-effective perks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

uhu. let's look at the price of that perk: 1000 Hath, which means 6M - 6.3 when you purchased it, i suppose. i am notoriously not that lucky/good of a player, but let's still suppose that 2 draughts + 2 potions is a good esteem of the mana requirement for T&T -> 200c. this means 31500 T&T-like arenas - or doing it 31500 times, or 31500 days to pay it off, as you prefer.
obviously that amount will lower if you count in all the other ones, but no way you can go lower the thousand range. in days, this means 3 years. i don't really think i will still be here within 3 years starting by now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Feb 21 2016, 10:48
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Just curious about these staves:
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45 5 Sathrovarr dropped [Legendary Demonic Willow Staff of Focus]

My 35th Legendary drop, from PFUDOR RE. The rolls seem pretty decent, too bad no one uses Focus (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Legendary Hallowed Katalox Staff of Focus

My 36th Legendary drop, from PFUDOR End of Days I think (could have been T&T or TKaG too). I'm seeing a pattern here... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Both of them could have been really good drops if not for the Focus suffix I guess. This one had decent rolls too.

Are they actually worth something (other than HG Wood) or was I right about the Focus suffix?
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post Feb 21 2016, 11:15
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QUOTE(Logii @ Feb 21 2016, 15:48) *

Just curious about these staves:

Legendary Hallowed Katalox Staff of Focus

My 36th Legendary drop, from PFUDOR End of Days I think (could have been T&T or TKaG too). I'm seeing a pattern here... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Both of them could have been really good drops if not for the Focus suffix I guess. This one had decent rolls too.

Are they actually worth something (other than HG Wood) or was I right about the Focus suffix?


for self use or new mage , yes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

to get bunch of monies , nope (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Feb 21 2016, 11:29
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for self use or new mage , yes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

to get bunch of monies , nope (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

Pretty much what I thought too, thanks. Maybe I'll find some use for them one day.
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post Feb 21 2016, 11:36
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QUOTE(Logii @ Feb 21 2016, 16:48) *

Just curious about these staves:

Legendary Hallowed Katalox Staff of Focus

My 36th Legendary drop, from PFUDOR End of Days I think (could have been T&T or TKaG too). I'm seeing a pattern here... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Both of them could have been really good drops if not for the Focus suffix I guess. This one had decent rolls too.

Are they actually worth something (other than HG Wood) or was I right about the Focus suffix?


Who knows? I was once offered 500k for Legendary Hallowed Oak Staff of Focus. But it's from a rich dude who had a specific purpose in mind, and it was bound at the right level.

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post Feb 21 2016, 11:50
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Qn: if you get Channeling as a mage, and neither Arcane Focus nor Regen needs to be renewed, what would you do?

Seems to be a waste to use it up on Imperil or a regular damage spell, so I used to cast Cure with it (when hp below a certain amount). But maybe that's not a good idea too?
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post Feb 21 2016, 11:54
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Feb 21 2016, 09:50) *
Qn: if you get Channeling as a mage, and neither Arcane Focus nor Regen needs to be renewed, what would you do?

Seems to be a waste to use it up on Imperil or a regular damage spell, so I used to cast Cure with it (when hp below a certain amount). But maybe that's not a good idea too?
It comes up too often for Arcane and Regen... and if you cast a Cure when you don't actually need to, it's not far from a wasted turn. I'd just continue Imperiling/casting as normal.
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post Feb 21 2016, 12:22
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It gives bonus damage as i remember. I simply continue to attack and use for arcane when buff duration is quite low.
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post Feb 21 2016, 13:17
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uhm.. my stamina just went from 54 to 99 and the difficult setting from Pfudor to normal, am I the only one to whom it happened?
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post Feb 21 2016, 13:17
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post Feb 21 2016, 13:24
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uhm.. my stamina just went from 54 to 99 and the difficult setting from Pfudor to normal, am I the only one to whom it happened?

same here , me too
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post Feb 21 2016, 13:26
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same here , me too


I would gladly do 2 more Hellfests today with that stamina.. sadly no time (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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post Feb 21 2016, 13:44
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same too.

(IMG:[i.imgur.com] http://i.imgur.com/PHw52M4.jpg)

And the stamina won't decrease... I've done 25R Arena for testing, earned 2x EXP and my stamina is still 99. Well this screenshot shouldn't be happened (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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post Feb 21 2016, 13:45
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Same here back to normal, but my stamina already 99 from morning :/
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