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Feb 19 2016, 12:22
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Feb 19 2016, 17:45)  me playing tick tick tick without skill. PF dwd ~120 mins me playing with tick tick tick shield bash - vital strike. PF dwd ~80 mins.
extra note : my t/s is shitty 1.2~1.5
but this only good with SG arena and skills only on SG..
normal arena still tick tick tick. not worth the time using skill.
musti diperbesar ADB elu , ryl (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) ntar juga terasa efeknya (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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Feb 19 2016, 12:23
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Feb 19 2016, 17:50)  btw. price check [89600032] Legendary Shocking Redwood Staff of the Elementalist | Lv. 402I am done with maging. too lazy. me with 1h mage style only deal 4000 damage. when using staff. 5000 damage. You can also try dw mage, its good for arena only and similar to 1h mage. I use it to iw my staff. Just dont invest/upgrade the weapon
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Feb 19 2016, 12:54
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nec1986
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Nah, he probably doesnt use imperil. Thats why damage is so low. I did 40k+ with T3 even without crit.
This post has been edited by nec1986: Feb 19 2016, 12:56
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Feb 19 2016, 13:29
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Natmanko
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Feb 19 2016, 13:33
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(Natmanko @ Feb 19 2016, 12:29)  Salvage the first, bazaar the others. I don't think you have any chance of selling those.
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Feb 19 2016, 13:44
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safmy
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Feb 19 2016, 13:23)  You can also try dw mage, its good for arena only and similar to 1h mage. I use it to iw my staff. Just dont invest/upgrade the weapon
This blew my mind. I might try this as I think I've almost reached the maximum I could on the staff mage.
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Feb 19 2016, 14:00
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(safmy @ Feb 19 2016, 19:44)  This blew my mind. I might try this as I think I've almost reached the maximum I could on the staff mage.
If you have a mage set its better to use it. dw mage is just for fun (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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Feb 19 2016, 14:32
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nec1986
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But 1h mage isnt very bad. I think i can clear pffest in 1,5-2 hours with it.
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Feb 19 2016, 15:14
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Feb 19 2016, 20:32)  But 1h mage isnt very bad. I think i can clear pffest in 1,5-2 hours with it.
It has another problem, this style waste a lot of mana.
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Feb 19 2016, 15:28
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Feb 19 2016, 14:14)  It has another problem, this style waste a lot of mana.
maybe did you use a Force Shield? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Feb 19 2016, 15:43
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nec1986
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Yea, lack of coalesced mana hits a bit, but sometimes its not so important. I mean in comparison to 1h its ~2x times faster clear. Not so big price for so huge increase. And in comparison to mage its incredibly save. When ordinary mage has to use scrolls, 1h mage doesnt even start to cure.
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Feb 19 2016, 15:55
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Feb 19 2016, 14:43)  Yea, lack of coalesced mana hits a bit, but sometimes its not so important. I mean in comparison to 1h its ~2x times faster clear. Not so big price for so huge increase. And in comparison to mage its incredibly save. When ordinary mage has to use scrolls, 1h mage doesnt even start to cure.
either way, if one really wants to use 1H mage, then he'd better use a different shield than the usual 1H set - let's say a Buckler. whether it's better to use a Barrier/Nimble or a Battlecaster though, that's another whole problem. the same problem goes for Waki: better Nimble of Battlecaster?
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Feb 19 2016, 16:06
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sssss2
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Feb 19 2016, 22:43)  I mean in comparison to 1h its ~2x times faster clear. Not so big price for so huge increase. And in comparison to mage its incredibly save.
Not true. 1.2x at most, imo. 1H or DW mage has too low magic score so get hit by monsters much more often than classic mage. It took 5430 turns for DW mage to reach 250 rounds and still needed to concentrate on HV and lots of mana potions while 1H can clear an entire PFUDORfest very easily. (25000 turns) I'll try waki nimble and battlecaster with Legendary Reinforced Buckler of the Battlecaster and force shield, but I think it won't be much different. This post has been edited by sssss2: Feb 19 2016, 16:13
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Feb 19 2016, 16:12
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nec1986
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That depends on how much defense we wanna get. Im not specialist with that style and tried with ordinary force/nimble. That was acceptable. We shouldnt forget mana isnt very expensive and our block/parry gives not only direct damage reduction, but also side as amount of counter stuns.
I think buckler of barrier can be good, because its very close to ordinary force shield. Not sure about rest. For ordinary arenas im using full mage and thats ok. If player wanna clear full pffest, maybe for crystals, then i dont see much mixed suffixes, because we really needs defense for latestage. As side bonus we also reduce amount of cures (and its same mana, credits).
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Feb 19 2016, 16:21
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nec1986
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QUOTE(sssss2 @ Feb 19 2016, 17:06)  It took 5430 turns for DW mage to reach 250 rounds and still needed to concentrate on HV and lots of mana potions
You probably have very good 1h set, because ive never cleared that even close to 25k turns and bad mage set, because ive did that with my ordinary significant faster. But i agree 2x is probably too much.
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Feb 19 2016, 16:26
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Feb 19 2016, 22:21)  You probably have very good 1h set, because ive never cleared that even close to 25k turns and bad mage set, because ive did that with my ordinary significant faster. But i agree 2x is probably too much.
well , you can see his 1H set in his sig (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Feb 19 2016, 17:06
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nec1986
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Feb 19 2016, 17:26)  well , you can see his 1H set in his sig (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Dont know how he got that result. Ive decided to check it once more and because lagging a bit i skipped t/s check. As i remember i had something close to 2,8 t/s and i was very surprised, because its close to ordinary 1h style. But i checked turns. 0-50 rounds 730 turns 0-100 rounds 1520 turns I stopped after that, because its absolutely same. For 250 rounds i d spend (1520-730)*4+730=3890 turns. For whole pffest maybe 1000-1500 cures, overall turns around 17k. And its my set with 10% damage perk: waki, shield, cap, robe, gloves, pants, boots
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Feb 19 2016, 17:21
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 19 2016, 06:04)  To be a good mage with significantly better clearing than 1h you need high level (scaling: evade, mit for defense, edb and mdb for damage, likely high level gears for L-quality), and a good amount of funds (a few perks, a quality staff, lots of Juggernaut IW, and forging everything to 5+). It's expensive, but if you can afford it, it's much much quicker than 1h. I can finish all non-SG arenas on PF in 40 minutes, whereas doing it as 1h would take 2 hours or something (with the trashy Power Slaughter I used to have).
But if you can't invest in all of those, you'll have serious trouble. If you can't, switching isn't worth it.
do you mean all 2nd page non SG arenas or all arenas together in 40mins?
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Feb 19 2016, 17:23
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Feb 19 2016, 15:21)  do you mean all 2nd page non SG arenas or all arenas together in 40mins? All non-SG arenas. 5 rounds to 100 rounds.
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Feb 19 2016, 17:26
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 19 2016, 18:23)  All non-SG arenas. 5 rounds to 100 rounds.
ok thats crazy, I need aprox. 60mins for all non SG arenas on the 2nd page.. but Im also still stuck on 7000 ADB With 1h
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