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post Feb 19 2016, 01:59
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Please Tell me the soft cap for 1h, 2h and dw
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post Feb 19 2016, 02:04
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QUOTE(safmy @ Feb 18 2016, 23:57) *
Ok after taking the advices in I'm doing Arena new wings in 9min 30sec. It's still a pain cause my imperil only gets 3 mobs at most. So I have to cast imperil sometimes 4-5 times per round cause for whatever reason, the proc sometimes doesn't apply. Is there any way to increase amount of mobs imperil affects? Cause I'm maxed out on better imperil.
You're playing PF, right? Seems pretty normal. Yeah, making sure everything successfully gets Imperiled is quite annoying on PF without Willow, but that's just how it works.

Are you mostly interested in credits, XP, or a mix of the two? Unless you only care about XP, with your Redwood, you might try lower difficulty without Imperil, you'll very likely get significantly higher income per second without losing all that much XP per second.
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Please Tell me the soft cap for 1h, 2h and dw
If you don't mention the stat you're interested in there's no answer. It's all on the wiki anyway.
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post Feb 19 2016, 02:17
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 19 2016, 03:04) *

You're playing PF, right? Seems pretty normal. Yeah, making sure everything successfully gets Imperiled is quite annoying on PF without Willow, but that's just how it works.

Are you mostly interested in credits, XP, or a mix of the two? Unless you only care about XP, with your Redwood, you might try lower difficulty without Imperil, you'll very likely get significantly higher income per second without losing all that much XP per second.
If you don't mention the stat you're interested in there's no answer. It's all on the wiki anyway.


Only interested in XP tbh. I just want to get to 400 as soon as possible. Then retire forever lol.

I've been spending way too much time (and money) on this game. I need it to be boring quick haha.
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post Feb 19 2016, 02:55
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bueno si algun experto habla espaƱol fluido me gustaria pedir ayuda en los aspectos mas tecnicos del juego ya que practicamente me veo obligado a adivinar como mejorar

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Please Tell me the soft cap for 1h, 2h and dw
more than anything I want to know about the statistics of defense and overall damage
adb
hitchance
crit
speed
physical mitigation
magical mitigation
evade chance
block chance
parry chance
resist chance

As armor is most appropriate for those fighting styles

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took a long time playing and I have tried to improve as much as I could but being a play in English to me is way too hard to get into the technical aspect and would also no detailed descriptions of the fighting styles (magician dark elemental-divine and (guides ) mele 1h-2h-dw)) so I've had to figure aleatory out how to play properly.

realy sorry for use google traslate, my inglish=15%
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post Feb 19 2016, 03:00
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All on wiki (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Character_Stats
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post Feb 19 2016, 03:13
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Why does the ehwiki say that 3 stacks of PA are -75% mitigation when it's not correct?
I do around 64/25 (as if the 3 -25% stacks are added multiplicatively and not additively) of the damage with 3 stacks of PA (tested with swordskills AND normal attacks)...
At least with Void Damage and DW style it's like this, with 3 stacks of PA I do roughly a bit more than 2,5 times the damage with no PA. If it were -75% overall mitigation, I shoud do four times more.
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post Feb 19 2016, 03:17
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 18 2016, 19:00) *

wiki details the statistics but I see practical examples, nowhere does the cap parry or block or ABD for lvl scale
for example

for my lvl 346 my stat in 1h is good?

primary stat (no armor bonus)
Strength 400
Dexterity 395
Agility 350
Endurance 395
intelligence 350
wisdon 390

Physical Attack
5984 attack base damage
165 % hit chance
35.9 % crit chance / +56 % damage
1.1 % attack speed bonus

Defense
70.7 % physical mitigation
69.1 % magical mitigation
4 % evade chance
45.2 % block chance
46.1 % parry chance
16.4 % resist chance

to change fighting style to 2h or dw Wath need change or upgrade?
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post Feb 19 2016, 03:33
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Need a quick advice chaps. With 2000 hath, should I go for:

DƦmon Duality

Or

Eminent Elementalist
Evil Enchantress
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post Feb 19 2016, 04:12
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Feb 19 2016, 01:13) *
Why does the ehwiki say that 3 stacks of PA are -75% mitigation when it's not correct?
I do around 64/25 (as if the 3 -25% stacks are added multiplicatively and not additively) of the damage with 3 stacks of PA (tested with swordskills AND normal attacks)...
At least with Void Damage and DW style it's like this, with 3 stacks of PA I do roughly a bit more than 2,5 times the damage with no PA. If it were -75% overall mitigation, I shoud do four times more.
It reduces monsters' physical mitigation by 75%. Say you're doing 1000 damage with a normal hit. If a monster started with 0.5 mitigation, then you would be doing 2000 base damage if the monster had no mitigation. Then if the monster's mitigation is cut by 75% to (0.5 * .25 = 0.125), then a hit would do 2000 * (1 - 0.125) = 1750 damage.

So monster mitigation is cut by 75%, but damage is increased by a smaller amount. True pmit is closer to the 60s and low 70s IIRC, 50 was just an easy number to use. (the higher the monster's Pmit, the more effective PA is)
QUOTE(edu5ardo @ Feb 19 2016, 01:17) *
wiki details the statistics but I see practical examples, nowhere does the cap parry or block or ABD for lvl scale
for example

for my lvl 346 my stat in 1h is good?



to change fighting style to 2h or dw Wath need change or upgrade?
To see level scaling, look here:

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Level_Scaling

Looking at equipment is usually more useful than looking at stats, but -

yes, your stats look fine for 1h 346. I'm pretty sure mine were worse than yours at that level but PFUDOR arenas was still a piece of cake.

For 1h, a huge fraction of your defense comes from shield. So when switching from 1h to something else without a shield, you will lose a LOT of defense. I think 2h is near suicidal unless you have heavily forged Power or Shade and are past 400, but even then it requires more concentration than 1h. DW is more defensive, but you're still giving up a lot by switching out the shield, so things will be quite tough.

I don't think it's worth it. Even very high level players almost only play 1h.
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post Feb 19 2016, 04:25
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 18 2016, 20:12) *

To see level scaling, look here:

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Level_Scaling

Looking at equipment is usually more useful than looking at stats, but -

yes, your stats look fine for 1h 346. I'm pretty sure mine were worse than yours at that level but PFUDOR arenas was still a piece of cake.

For 1h, a huge fraction of your defense comes from shield. So when switching from 1h to something else without a shield, you will lose a LOT of defense. I think 2h is near suicidal unless you have heavily forged Power or Shade and are past 400, but even then it requires more concentration than 1h. DW is more defensive, but you're still giving up a lot by switching out the shield, so things will be quite tough.

I don't think it's worth it. Even very high level players almost only play 1h.


ok 1h is over XD

and... mage is better of 1h? the time is realy low comparate on mele? i complƱete The Trio and the Tree PFUDOR in 25 min
mague is easy or hard?
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post Feb 19 2016, 05:01
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QUOTE(edu5ardo @ Feb 19 2016, 10:25) *

ok 1h is over XD

and... mage is better of 1h? the time is realy low comparate on mele? i complƱete The Trio and the Tree PFUDOR in 25 min
mague is easy or hard?

mage is expensive style (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

so far , for ADB the highest is 13K ( full set power slaughter & rapier ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I don't know if 14k ADB is reachable or not with regular 1H set ( power slaughter + rapier ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

maybe with fullset peerless (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

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post Feb 19 2016, 05:04
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QUOTE(edu5ardo @ Feb 19 2016, 02:25) *
ok 1h is over XD

and... mage is better of 1h? the time is realy low comparate on mele? i complƱete The Trio and the Tree PFUDOR in 25 min
mague is easy or hard?
To be a good mage with significantly better clearing than 1h you need high level (scaling: evade, mit for defense, edb and mdb for damage, likely high level gears for L-quality), and a good amount of funds (a few perks, a quality staff, lots of Juggernaut IW, and forging everything to 5+). It's expensive, but if you can afford it, it's much much quicker than 1h. I can finish all non-SG arenas on PF in 40 minutes, whereas doing it as 1h would take 2 hours or something (with the trashy Power Slaughter I used to have).

But if you can't invest in all of those, you'll have serious trouble. If you can't, switching isn't worth it.
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post Feb 19 2016, 06:59
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hello all i've been absent from playing HV from around 2 years, and out of nowhere suddenly i am craving playing this again

but somehow i forgot all about it
as i lost my playing guide because my HD toasted, i want to know playing guide again because i don't remember at all about how i play game

when i login somehow all my equipment and status and abilities etc have been reset
because there is too many equip , i forgot which one is the most efficient and all
i remember i play mage and spamming spell but i forgot exact abilities and whatnot
so please refer me to tips/guide thread

thank you
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post Feb 19 2016, 08:23
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So for 1H, do you guys use its weapon skills?

1H's weapon skills looks the most unimpressive imo.
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post Feb 19 2016, 09:46
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So for 1H, do you guys use its weapon skills?

1H's weapon skills looks the most unimpressive imo.

For me, no.
I play 1h because im lazy
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post Feb 19 2016, 10:01
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Feb 18 2016, 23:23) *

So for 1H, do you guys use its weapon skills?

1H's weapon skills looks the most unimpressive imo.

I don't, and I'd imagine most 1H players spend overcharge on OFC instead.
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post Feb 19 2016, 10:02
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QUOTE(tunasandwich @ Feb 19 2016, 04:59) *
hello all i've been absent from playing HV from around 2 years, and out of nowhere suddenly i am craving playing this again

but somehow i forgot all about it
as i lost my playing guide because my HD toasted, i want to know playing guide again because i don't remember at all about how i play game

when i login somehow all my equipment and status and abilities etc have been reset
because there is too many equip , i forgot which one is the most efficient and all
i remember i play mage and spamming spell but i forgot exact abilities and whatnot
so please refer me to tips/guide thread
That's this thread.

Mage is inefficient below ~350, and terrible below 310. Given your level, 1h will be the easiest style if you want to kill monsters with little effort while staying alive on higher difficulty. If you want to do that, look for a prefixed rapier (hopefully with a useful suffix), a shield with decent block (aka no bucklers of non-Barrier), and leather armor in the rest of your slots (or Shade if you can't find any leather).

Don't use any soul fragments unless you find a high quality weapon to soulfuse. They're one of your most important resources, and are literally worth thousands of credits each.
QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Feb 19 2016, 06:23) *
So for 1H, do you guys use its weapon skills?

1H's weapon skills looks the most unimpressive imo.
You're right. Their skills are only really that useful against enemies significantly tougher than the schoolgirls, that is, likely FSM only. So pretty much everyone just attacks in endless Spirit Stance instead.
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I don't, and I'd imagine most 1H players spend overcharge on OFC instead.
If there are ~7 or more monsters spawned, yes. Otherwise it's usually better to just attack.
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post Feb 19 2016, 10:39
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 19 2016, 09:02) *

If there are ~7 or more monsters spawned, yes. Otherwise it's usually better to just attack.

For me it's always better to OFC unless there are 3 monsters (with 3 monsters it's a tie, I use it only if I reach 250 OC, otherwise I don't bother since increasing OC with 3 monsters while in spirit stance is fucking difficult).
If you bind OFC to a single key or mouse button it should not take more than 0.5s to cast it (2 attacks) while doing a lot more damage.
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post Feb 19 2016, 11:45
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QUOTE(LOL50015 @ Feb 19 2016, 13:23) *

So for 1H, do you guys use its weapon skills?

1H's weapon skills looks the most unimpressive imo.


me playing tick tick tick without skill. PF dwd ~120 mins
me playing with tick tick tick shield bash - vital strike. PF dwd ~80 mins.

extra note : my t/s is shitty 1.2~1.5

but this only good with SG arena and skills only on SG..

normal arena still tick tick tick. not worth the time using skill.

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post Feb 19 2016, 11:50
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btw. price check

[89600032] Legendary Shocking Redwood Staff of the Elementalist | Lv. 402

I am done with maging. too lazy.

me with 1h mage style only deal 4000 damage. when using staff. 5000 damage.
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