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post Feb 18 2016, 01:48
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post Feb 18 2016, 02:02
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Feb 17 2016, 23:48) *
Stoneskin is a bad suffix, and it has Agi instead of Str, but it's a high block L-grade shield bound to a lowish level. If there are med-level players who are willing to buy Kite instead of Force - which I would think there should be - then they would be interested.

Of course, that requires that interested players don't have it set in their minds that they have to use Force like the rest of the bandwagon.
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post Feb 18 2016, 02:22
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you can always say that removing ALL the bonus speed and having less MP cost are two good things - which is true enough, btw (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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post Feb 18 2016, 02:25
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The Butcher IW upgrade how much influences the base ADB?
I need to compare two things I could buy, and one has Butcher Lv 3 or 4 (don't remember), but I can't find a decent formula for that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

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post Feb 18 2016, 02:48
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 18 2016, 04:59) *

I've never used scrolls, for me they'd only be necessary for mid-late PF-fest, or for PF IW with >70 rounds. Those are the only battles I can't do because I'm Curing too much, everything else is easy. Though maybe it has something to do with element... Holy has long cast time, and those who Imperil take significantly less damage than those who don't, especially on PF.


I don't use scrolls either, but I can still only usually get through 300+ rounds of PF GF even with Imperil.

It doesn't feel as though I am only 18 levels away from being able to clear PF GF. Dark really needs some buffing.
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post Feb 18 2016, 02:52
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QUOTE(ppp82p @ Feb 18 2016, 01:25) *

The Butcher IW upgrade how much influences the base ADB?
I need to compare two things I could buy, and one has Butcher Lv 3 or 4 (don't remember), but I can't find a decent formula for that (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

every But level adds 2% to base ADB. therefore, you will have

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final_ADB = original_ADB + original_ADB * ( BUT_level * 0.02 ) = original_ADB * ( 1 + 0.02  * BUT_level )

original_ADB = final_ADB / ( 1 + 0.02 * BUT_level )
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post Feb 18 2016, 03:57
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 17 2016, 16:02) *

Stoneskin is a bad suffix, and it has Agi instead of Str, but it's a high block L-grade shield bound to a lowish level. If there are med-level players who are willing to buy Kite instead of Force - which I would think there should be - then they would be interested.

Of course, that requires that interested players don't have it set in their minds that they have to use Force like the rest of the bandwagon.

Hmmmm, well I guess I'll try sending it to auction!
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post Feb 18 2016, 05:14
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post Feb 18 2016, 09:06
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finally I can enter HV (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

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post Feb 18 2016, 09:18
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Feb 18 2016, 00:06) *

finally I can enter HV :)

Glad that stamina regenerates while the site is down.
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post Feb 18 2016, 10:41
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Feb 18 2016, 02:57) *

Hmmmm, well I guess I'll try sending it to auction!

No way it's gonna fetch 50k.
I mean, I don't think this is worth 50k and it's all around better (apart from higher level).
I would put it in your WTS.
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post Feb 18 2016, 10:48
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Feb 18 2016, 08:48) *

I don't use scrolls either, but I can still only usually get through 300+ rounds of PF GF even with Imperil.

It doesn't feel as though I am only 18 levels away from being able to clear PF GF. Dark really needs some buffing.

I think dark and holy are similar, much like wind and elec. Just one proc for defense and one proc for offense.
Scrolls is a must for me to do pf, you should try it. Also I like to have at least 0.8 prof factor for max cast speed t3 and min mana cost.
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post Feb 18 2016, 11:10
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Feb 18 2016, 00:48) *
I don't use scrolls either, but I can still only usually get through 300+ rounds of PF GF even with Imperil.

It doesn't feel as though I am only 18 levels away from being able to clear PF GF. Dark really needs some buffing.
I've been under the impression that Elemental + Imperil is significantly better on IWBTH and PF than Holy or Dark, and that Holy or Dark are significantly better on Hell (Nintendo if uber) without Imperil.

The latter everyone knows, but the former isn't quite so clear. But if it's true, then our results are probably to be expected.

(For me, "the average round when the first Last Elixir must be used to stay alive" is probably around 420, but I'd stop at ~360-400 instead) Edit: That's when I use health restoratives liberally. If I were more conservative with them and Cured first more I might last a little longer... maybe until 450? But that slows down turns/round by way too much.
QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Feb 18 2016, 08:41) *
No way it's gonna fetch 50k.
I mean, I don't think this is worth 50k and it's all around better (apart from higher level).
I would put it in your WTS.
And the sort of people who'd buy it would be less likely to be the ones who do auctions, after all. But level makes all the difference. Maybe someone would see it, maybe not...

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post Feb 18 2016, 11:26
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Feb 17 2016, 19:09) *

The fuel cost of mage is pretty high (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
I have to use scrolls usually all 4,
constantly spamming mp sp draughts, mp sp potions and some elixirs,
also feather shards and aether shards but I think they are optional.

When I play 1h all I use are mp and sp draughts



What is your casting speed?
I'm under the impression that the main reason as of why most people go for "charged" prefix on their armor instead of "frugal" or "radiant" is exactly that.
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post Feb 18 2016, 11:55
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I have invested quite a lot in my wind staff but I'm guessing a willow version of this staff is far far more powerful.

Is it worth me continuing to invest in it? Or should I wait for the right willow staff to drain my credits?

It's in my sig.

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post Feb 18 2016, 12:21
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QUOTE(safmy @ Feb 18 2016, 09:55) *
I have invested quite a lot in my wind staff but I'm guessing a willow version of this staff is far far more powerful.

Is it worth me continuing to invest in it? Or should I wait for the right willow staff to drain my credits?

It's in my sig.

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Willow would definitely be better, but if you don't care about IW potencies (on staff or armor) then upgrading from Redwood to Willow - which would be significantly more expensive than potencies - probably isn't the most efficient use of your funds.

Willow gives a nice clear speed bonus on PF and IWBTH, and anywhere you'd use Imperil, but Redwood is better on ~Hell if you don't use Imperil.

Either way, you've probably forged enough on staff, for the high forged stats. You'll want to eventually forge elemental prof to 20?+ and depreciating prof to 15?+ (if you use Imperil), as well as Wis and Int to something higher than 6. But leave MDB, EDB, hit%, and CC alone. Even on my Legendary Shocking Willow Staff of Destruction, I've forged less (on those stats), but I don't see myself going any farther, at least not until I have everything else I'd ever want.
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post Feb 18 2016, 12:34
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QUOTE(Epion @ Feb 18 2016, 17:26) *

What is your casting speed?
I'm under the impression that the main reason as of why most people go for "charged" prefix on their armor instead of "frugal" or "radiant" is exactly that.

I am at 28.7, monster hit like a truck in late gf, I got hit for 900+ sp damage in a hit once. Maybe I just need more forging.
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post Feb 18 2016, 12:41
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 18 2016, 13:21) *

Willow would definitely be better, but if you don't care about IW potencies (on staff or armor) then upgrading from Redwood to Willow - which would be significantly more expensive than potencies - probably isn't the most efficient use of your funds.

Willow gives a nice clear speed bonus on PF and IWBTH, and anywhere you'd use Imperil, but Redwood is better on ~Hell if you don't use Imperil.

Either way, you've probably forged enough on staff, for the high forged stats. You'll want to eventually forge elemental prof to 20?+ and depreciating prof to 15?+ (if you use Imperil), as well as Wis and Int to something higher than 6. But leave MDB, EDB, hit%, and CC alone. Even on my Legendary Shocking Willow Staff of Destruction, I've forged less (on those stats), but I don't see myself going any farther, at least not until I have everything else I'd ever want.


Yea I really want to be able to clear PF. I tried with scrolls and barely got to 380 rounds. Though I wasn't being particularly cautious. I reckon I could get to max 500 PF. And that pisses me off cause I spent so much on it. I'm only gonna get the Forged stats to a max of 2/3rd of the forge max cause of diminishing returns.

But I wonder is it just because I'm not 400 yet? Would I breeze through if I was?

Also offside question, do you guys imperil the whole set of mobs then cast or just cast 1 imperil then cast until the 3 or however many affected are dead, then recast imperil?
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QUOTE(safmy @ Feb 18 2016, 11:41) *

Also offside question, do you guys imperil the whole set of mobs then cast or just cast 1 imperil then cast until the 3 or however many affected are dead, then recast imperil?

Whole set, otherwise you're wasting the T3.

Also in the set in your signature I see no prof cotton and very little juggernaut (also some basic forging would surely be helpful).
That may be part of your problem.
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post Feb 18 2016, 13:08
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QUOTE(safmy @ Feb 18 2016, 18:41) *

Yea I really want to be able to clear PF. I tried with scrolls and barely got to 380 rounds. Though I wasn't being particularly cautious. I reckon I could get to max 500 PF. And that pisses me off cause I spent so much on it. I'm only gonna get the Forged stats to a max of 2/3rd of the forge max cause of diminishing returns.

But I wonder is it just because I'm not 400 yet? Would I breeze through if I was?

Also offside question, do you guys imperil the whole set of mobs then cast or just cast 1 imperil then cast until the 3 or however many affected are dead, then recast imperil?

Yea level is very important, I think you need level 450 to do pf fest comfortably. Also get a willow staff and a prof shoes, but any other prof slot would be fine.
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