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Feb 17 2016, 08:28
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dairyman20111889
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So I read this bit on the Wiki: QUOTE Most spells can have their cast times reduced depending on the number of ability points invested into them; almost all abilities that do this cap at reducing the speed by 0.2.
Does this mean boosting casting speed is subject to diminishing returns as you get closer to this cap? If so, what's the "sweet spot" I should be aiming for? This post has been edited by dairyman20111889: Feb 17 2016, 08:32
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Feb 17 2016, 08:29
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piyin
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2 stupid questions (they are but i want to be sure): -If i made a hath exchange request under the average or lower value on the market: the offer will be still there, even if i cant see it? -Does peerless now CAN DROP AS RESULT OF BATTLES WITH MOBS? I was confused when read the wiki awhile ago... i was still on the idea that only trophies could drop those. Thanks. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Feb 17 2016, 10:30
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(formigao @ Feb 17 2016, 07:00)  Yeap, it should be easy to build a 1H set just by selling that leg (try auctioning it with 10M as start). QUOTE(dairyman20111889 @ Feb 17 2016, 07:28)  Does this mean boosting casting speed is subject to diminishing returns as you get closer to this cap?
If so, what's the "sweet spot" I should be aiming for?
There's no sweet spot for abilities, you should have them maxed out because they help a lot. QUOTE(piyin @ Feb 17 2016, 07:29)  -Does peerless now CAN DROP AS RESULT OF BATTLES WITH MOBS? I was confused when read the wiki awhile ago... i was still on the idea that only trophies could drop those.
Since there are screenshot of peerless dropped in battle I would say it's possible.
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Feb 17 2016, 10:55
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dairyman20111889
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QUOTE(dairyman20111889 @ Feb 16 2016, 23:28)  So I read this bit on the Wiki: Does this mean boosting casting speed is subject to diminishing returns as you get closer to this cap?
If so, what's the "sweet spot" I should be aiming for?
QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Feb 17 2016, 01:30)  Yeap, it should be easy to build a 1H set just by selling that leg (try auctioning it with 10M as start). There's no sweet spot for abilities, you should have them maxed out because they help a lot. Since there are screenshot of peerless dropped in battle I would say it's possible.
To be clear - I'm free to just stack casting speed boosts via Charged prefixes, and not have to worry about if that equipment slot is better off as a Frugal piece instead? Also, where do I see how close I am to reaching this cap on casting speed reduction? Is it this stat here, which would display as '20% cast speed bonus'? (IMG:[ puu.sh] http://puu.sh/nb3PH/cb6a738dd9.png) This post has been edited by dairyman20111889: Feb 17 2016, 10:57
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Feb 17 2016, 11:29
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Natmanko
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QUOTE(dairyman20111889 @ Feb 17 2016, 16:55)  To be clear - I'm free to just stack casting speed boosts via Charged prefixes, and not have to worry about if that equipment slot is better off as a Frugal piece instead? Also, where do I see how close I am to reaching this cap on casting speed reduction? Is it this stat here, which would display as '20% cast speed bonus'? (IMG:[ puu.sh] http://puu.sh/nb3PH/cb6a738dd9.png) No, as far as i know cast speed bonus is additive. That 0.2 reduction you get from abilities is it's spell base cast speed, cast speed bonus is then added on top of it along with haste and other action speed buffs. Action SpeedThis post has been edited by Natmanko: Feb 17 2016, 11:51
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Feb 17 2016, 12:17
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(piyin @ Feb 17 2016, 07:29)  2 stupid questions (they are but i want to be sure): -If i made a hath exchange request under the average or lower value on the market: the offer will be still there, even if i cant see it? -Does peerless now CAN DROP AS RESULT OF BATTLES WITH MOBS? I was confused when read the wiki awhile ago... i was still on the idea that only trophies could drop those. Thanks. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) 1. yes, sure. you can modify it, delete it and whatever else. it's only a bit out of the chart - which means, out of the top 10 best offers 2. yep. something like 1 in a million chance (0.0001%) or so. not sure about the minimum difficulty level though
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Feb 17 2016, 12:55
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nec1986
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I think its 1/100k. I dont think many players get more than 50k gears per year. Still many have peerless drops.
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Feb 17 2016, 13:06
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(dairyman20111889 @ Feb 17 2016, 14:28)  So I read this bit on the Wiki: Does this mean boosting casting speed is subject to diminishing returns as you get closer to this cap?
If so, what's the "sweet spot" I should be aiming for?
There is no cap but It is always diminishing when you add stuff together linearly. I think the sweet spot is to have enough speed to not die. I need 25% cast speed before I can beat pfu gf with light forged armor.
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Feb 17 2016, 13:09
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simrock87
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 17 2016, 10:17)  2. yep. something like 1 in a million chance (0.0001%) or so. not sure about the minimum difficulty level though
I don't think there is a minimum difficulty and chance is the same for every difficulty. But i can't find the post from 10Boss with that information (it's at least a year old, maybe older)
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Feb 17 2016, 13:23
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(dairyman20111889 @ Feb 17 2016, 06:28)  So I read this bit on the Wiki: Does this mean boosting casting speed is subject to diminishing returns as you get closer to this cap?
If so, what's the "sweet spot" I should be aiming for? I think the best spot is to (almost) never have to Health Potion or Cure - that is, have Regen + Fullcure be enough in most situations. Once Fullcure stops being enough, your turn-inefficiency due to turns spent healing goes up significantly. BTW, never use Cure if you can avoid it. It only heals part of your HP, and as mage you'll also be taking damage from monsters during the turn you cast it, so better to use a 0 action time health potion. Keep in mind that tankyness from level scaling has a big effect; PMI and evade go up as you level up. So while you might need a lot of defense (or firepower) at level 325 to play PF comfortably, you might only need a bit of defense/firepower at level 500 in the same situation.
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Feb 17 2016, 19:05
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Usagi =
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Nooo, I started playing casually again and now I'm tempted to buy stuff!
Must resist!
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Feb 17 2016, 19:21
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Epion
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Feb 17 2016, 19:28
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Fap.Fap
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ok i need a random post too, once in a while ^^
man that first picture is so old ^^ seen so often already
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Feb 17 2016, 20:21
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Epion
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Feb 17 2016, 17:28)  ok i need a random post too, once in a while ^^
man that first picture is so old ^^ seen so often already
Better? 
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Feb 17 2016, 21:09
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Void Domain
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The fuel cost of mage is pretty high (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I have to use scrolls usually all 4, constantly spamming mp sp draughts, mp sp potions and some elixirs, also feather shards and aether shards but I think they are optional. When I play 1h all I use are mp and sp draughts
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Feb 17 2016, 21:12
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Feb 17 2016, 20:09)  The fuel cost of mage is pretty high (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I have to use scrolls usually all 4, constantly spamming mp sp draughts, mp sp potions and some elixirs, also feather shards and aether shards but I think they are optional. When I play 1h all I use are mp and sp draughts a word from a higher-up: how high are your magic proficiencies? and time comparison for 1H vs. mage, provided those profs are high enough?
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Feb 17 2016, 21:19
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Feb 18 2016, 02:09)  The fuel cost of mage is pretty high (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I have to use scrolls usually all 4, constantly spamming mp sp draughts, mp sp potions and some elixirs, also feather shards and aether shards but I think they are optional. When I play 1h all I use are mp and sp draughts plus you cannot do some sidejob like watching anime or movies with mage (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Feb 17 2016, 21:47
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 18 2016, 03:12)  a word from a higher-up: how high are your magic proficiencies? and time comparison for 1H vs. mage, provided those profs are high enough?
All prof are maxed a few days ago, holy prof at 999 you can call it 0.998 prof factor but most mobs I see are below level 500. Mage is faster like everyone says, usually half the time of what 1h does. I am more concern about the fuel cost though. QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Feb 18 2016, 03:19)  plus you cannot do some sidejob like watching anime or movies with mage (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) With no imp play its still bearable, barely (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)
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Feb 17 2016, 22:59
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Feb 17 2016, 19:09)  The fuel cost of mage is pretty high (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I have to use scrolls usually all 4, constantly spamming mp sp draughts, mp sp potions and some elixirs, also feather shards and aether shards but I think they are optional. When I play 1h all I use are mp and sp draughts I've never used scrolls, for me they'd only be necessary for mid-late PF-fest, or for PF IW with >70 rounds. Those are the only battles I can't do because I'm Curing too much, everything else is easy. Though maybe it has something to do with element... Holy has long cast time, and those who Imperil take significantly less damage than those who don't, especially on PF.
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Feb 18 2016, 01:05
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dairyman20111889
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Feb 17 2016, 04:06) 
QUOTE(Natmanko @ Feb 17 2016, 02:29) 
QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 17 2016, 04:23) 
Good replies; additive and linear were the words I was looking for.
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