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Feb 8 2016, 23:43
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jacquelope
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Feb 8 2016, 23:44
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Epion @ Feb 8 2016, 22:29)  If someone can estimate Scremaz's cloth mentioned above, could you please estimate this one as well? Magnificent Frugal Phase Gloves of Heimdallthis should be worth a bit more. maybe not endgame, but for an intermediate mage it should still be something... QUOTE(jacquelope @ Feb 8 2016, 22:43)  good for self-use, or maybe also for a 1H starter... This post has been edited by Scremaz: Feb 8 2016, 23:45
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Feb 8 2016, 23:49
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Logii
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Feb 8 2016, 20:57)  Why would you salvage or bazaar a cotton of the demon fiend? It may not sell in an auction, but you still could have sold in in your WTS for some money (putting it at 50k or 100k would be quite fair unless it had very crap prof).
I almost always eventually salvage so-so cloth armor if it isn't accepted to an auction. I don't have a shop myself and I don't intend to make one, so at least I can get ~20k worth out of them by selling materials on WTB. Legendaries I tend to keep just because I don't get that many of them and the links in my Legendary Drops Log actually show the item. Magnificent Cotton and Phase I salvage even with 3 PABs if they don't sell or are not taken to auctions. Next on the list to salvage is these Magnificent Jade Phase Shoes of Mjolnir, when I get few more High-Grade Cloths to sell on WTB at the same time.
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Feb 9 2016, 00:17
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(Logii @ Feb 8 2016, 22:49)  I almost always eventually salvage so-so cloth armor if it isn't accepted to an auction. I don't have a shop myself and I don't intend to make one, so at least I can get ~20k worth out of them by selling materials on WTB. Legendaries I tend to keep just because I don't get that many of them and the links in my Legendary Drops Log actually show the item. Magnificent Cotton and Phase I salvage even with 3 PABs if they don't sell or are not taken to auctions. Next on the list to salvage is these Magnificent Jade Phase Shoes of Mjolnir, when I get few more High-Grade Cloths to sell on WTB at the same time. Well, he has a shop, so that's why I asked (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Also it may have had PMax prof from what we know, a PMax prof probably would have sold even at an auction. Personally I always salvage mag phase/cloth unless radiant (even radiant if 2 PAB). They are not good enough for high-level players and at my current level no-one will buy it as a cheap alternative to leg grade equip. Maybe a charged with MMax could sell, but properly checking the ranges is too much effort (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Feb 9 2016, 00:26
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Logii
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Feb 9 2016, 00:17)  Well, he has a shop, so that's why I asked (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Also it may have had PMax prof from what we know, a PMax prof probably would have sold even at an auction. Personally I always salvage mag phase/cloth unless radiant (even radiant if 2 PAB). They are not good enough for high-level players and at my current level no-one will buy it as a cheap alternative to leg grade equip. Maybe a charged with MMax could sell, but properly checking the ranges is too much effort (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Yeah, there is some demand for non-elemental prefix Magnificent Phase that is under level ~350, otherwise they don't sell very well. At higher level the market is a bit broken in my opinion. Non-amazing gear hardly gets sold even if it's Legendary and the few very demanded prefix/suffix combinations reach prices in tens of millions. I think it tells something about the balancing of equipment in the current HV.
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Feb 9 2016, 00:45
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Logii @ Feb 8 2016, 22:26)  Yeah, there is some demand for non-elemental prefix Magnificent Phase that is under level ~350, otherwise they don't sell very well. At higher level the market is a bit broken in my opinion. Non-amazing gear hardly gets sold even if it's Legendary and the few very demanded prefix/suffix combinations reach prices in tens of millions. I think it tells something about the balancing of equipment in the current HV. People can find a legendary or two a week, and people look for good gear to use in a serious set very rarely (at least if they're smart with their money and patient). Just going from this, it's evident that almost all legendary drops will go unused, regardless of other factors. What would you prefer? Personally, I think styles should be more balanced so that more high-tier items have at least a small chance of being interesting enough to use or keep as a novelty. As is, 95% is trash simply due to type.
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Feb 9 2016, 00:54
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nec1986
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Its quite easy to explain, because its always 2 main factors: 1. How good specific type is. I mean if i play 1h then waki main weapon is definitely bad idea. Even if its peerless then its still can be worse than even superior rapier. So its all about result which set gives, not about grade and so on. Sure peerless rapier is better, but only because it gives better result. 2. How many ppl have it. Or simple demand.
Situation for high bids in top ranges is something ordinary. Players have credits and they dont have gear. Actually last time we can see prices drops, because patch was quite long time ago. For example, i said about rapiers and last peerless was sold for only 9m. Because many players already have satisfied weapon.
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Feb 9 2016, 01:15
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 8 2016, 13:44)  good for self-use, or maybe also for a 1H starter...
Bah, would be nice as an item world aid if my regular boots weren't already Pot 10. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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Feb 9 2016, 01:17
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Logii
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Feb 9 2016, 00:45)  People can find a legendary or two a week, and people look for good gear to use in a serious set very rarely (at least if they're smart with their money and patient). Just going from this, it's evident that almost all legendary drops will go unused, regardless of other factors.
What would you prefer?
Personally, I think styles should be more balanced so that more high-tier items have at least a small chance of being interesting enough to use or keep as a novelty. As is, 95% is trash simply due to type.
I almost edited to my post to note that the higher level players usually already have at least decent full Legendary sets, so they will probably rather save for the occasional auction of very good gear rather than buy smaller upgrades. So yes, most of the Legendaries will be unused and unsold, and many of those end up salvaged or sold to Bazaar. I'm on the same line with you, I would prefer more balanced fighting styles. At the moment the only styles (high level) players use are mages and 1H+Power Slaughter, at least if the auctions tell anything about the gear players actually use. For example 2H weapons are so unpopular that even Legendary Ethereal ones sell for less than 500k. Same thing with 1H weapons other than high WD Rapiers. Shade armor sells so poorly that the auctions hardly have any offerings these days, and I highly doubt it's because Shade doesn't drop from monsters. From Power armor only Slaughter gets higher prices, Protection is ok, but Warding is hardly selling. Not to mention there is no real reason for players to use Leather and Plate armor in most battles, whereas Cotton has use in mage style for proficiency. I just think it's a little sad that the game has all this variety in gear, but only fraction of it is actually used. Hopefully the next patch can fix the situation a little bit. I hope Tenboro doesn't go full nerfing route though, I would rather have him buff the fighting styles that are not viable at the moment.
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Feb 9 2016, 01:56
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jacquelope
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Feb 9 2016, 02:06
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Feb 9 2016, 00:56)  no, if it's protection or warding they are only HG material worth. no matter how good they may be
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Feb 9 2016, 02:28
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Frederiksc
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QUOTE(Epion @ Feb 8 2016, 19:21)  I suppose that the supportive prof is from the "Priestess", so what exactly is that Gossamer doing? Accuracy? Legendary Jade Gossamer Cap of the Earth-walkerThe last Supportive Prof before retirement was Earth-walker. Priestess boosted regen by the game mechanics given long, long ago. Bunko used a full set of Priestess when I recall correctly. You may renember that "Nerf Giants" debate. Giants without proper perks are now just junk with a bit more HP than other mobs... Too slow to be a danger ^^
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Feb 9 2016, 02:38
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Frederiksc @ Feb 9 2016, 01:28)  nice piece (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) QUOTE(Frederiksc @ Feb 9 2016, 01:28)  The last Supportive Prof before retirement was Earth-walker. Priestess boosted regen by the game mechanics given long, long ago.
yup. but still, what's so peculiar in Gossamer? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) P.S.: Staffs and Phase could drop in Priestess suffix as well back then. just saying...
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Feb 9 2016, 02:49
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 8 2016, 16:06)  no, if it's protection or warding they are only HG material worth. no matter how good they may be
arrrrgh
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Feb 9 2016, 03:12
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Frederiksc
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QUOTE(Logii @ Feb 9 2016, 00:17)  I almost edited to my post to note that the higher level players usually already have at least decent full Legendary sets, so they will probably rather save for the occasional auction of very good gear rather than buy smaller upgrades. So yes, most of the Legendaries will be unused and unsold, and many of those end up salvaged or sold to Bazaar.
Sure, when you take your time and experiment with the fighting style you enjoy the most, you should go for a set suiting your needs. After a short while (8-12 auctions) you should have a full set. The auctioneers do a good job, because they evaluate stuff before they accept it (at least Wannaf doing so), because they do not want to sell crap like a Legendary Cobalt Leather of Warding Level 423. There simply is no reason in this item. It is to high level for starters to soulfuse it (at 323 you should go for other gear!). QUOTE I'm on the same line with you, I would prefer more balanced fighting styles. At the moment the only styles (high level) players use are mages and 1H+Power Slaughter, at least if the auctions tell anything about the gear players actually use. For example 2H weapons are so unpopular that even Legendary Ethereal ones sell for less than 500k. Same thing with 1H weapons other than high WD Rapiers. Shade armor sells so poorly that the auctions hardly have any offerings these days, and I highly doubt it's because Shade doesn't drop from monsters. From Power armor only Slaughter gets higher prices, Protection is ok, but Warding is hardly selling. Not to mention there is no real reason for players to use Leather and Plate armor in most battles, whereas Cotton has use in mage style for proficiency.
There has to be some crap around, so you can make small profit by salvaging or bazaaring it. When you look in the Legendary Equipment thread, there are loads of crap Legendaries posted. This is not because the fighting styles are so different, it is because you can develop models on fighting styles, called Theorycrafting. Therefore we have some diffent approaches to the HV minigame. You can go the main stream route (most players will) or you play a niche style. Main stream means you want to get the stuff 95% of your armor class (heavy, light, cloth) intent also to get, so it has a high price tag on it. So you need to get the most for your buck, so you need to check utility. Even if propagated so, mages can not do everything as swimmingly as they intend to do. So every mage still has some heavy/light armor to do some arenas which are challenging as mage, but are fairly easy with a different gear setup. TT&T is such an arena. The critical point pops after defeating Yggdrasil and the Nornes get their buffs. As some starter mage, you are certain to fail at this point at PF. Even later on, it is still a an Elixir heavy arena, and when getting a CD lock out you are likely to trash 10 Tokens of Blood. QUOTE I just think it's a little sad that the game has all this variety in gear, but only fraction of it is actually used. Hopefully the next patch can fix the situation a little bit. I hope Tenboro doesn't go full nerfing route though, I would rather have him buff the fighting styles that are not viable at the moment.
The main problem, why gear is likely to be unused, is because you can no longer hand it down to those in need of it. Shade of Negation is a brilliant armor for light players below 250. But you can just click salvage, if it is not with a valauble Prefix like Savage or Agile. The Level lock hits those who are in need the most and thus they go with the drops they get. Well, they get a mighty XP boost, so they can climb up to higher levels faster. True, but they can not use the gear we had at their level and so I think they level a bit slower. Well, they could at least get some unassigned legendaries as long as they are available, even if these are niche gear, but PAB > niche at lower levels.
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Feb 9 2016, 03:24
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Frederiksc
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Feb 9 2016, 01:38)  nice piece (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) yup. but still, what's so peculiar in Gossamer? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) P.S.: Staffs and Phase could drop in Priestess suffix as well back then. just saying... Gossamer has 4 PABs compared to Phase with 3 PAB. Dexterty helps (to boost parry, etc). Plus you pay no Phazon to forge it.
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Feb 9 2016, 09:03
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hentailover6983
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Should I go about creating monsters? I've got crystals lining in the thousands, and I'm running low on supportive items. I also don't want to spend all of my credits on the darn things.
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Feb 9 2016, 13:23
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safmy
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Is it permitted to sell gold star for COD?
And how would that transaction even be secured?
I saw one where it was 100$ for 32m credits. That's ludicrous to me considering you'd only get 1m in credits from the 100$...
I'm missing something here.
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