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post Aug 27 2011, 02:12
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QUOTE(Koudesu @ Aug 27 2011, 01:19) *

I see.

On a side note, how good are these?

I've been holding onto them for a while, but I'm kinda clueless at cloth gear.


they're nearly worth nothing if there is no collector for it.
owl is only good for training mana related spells since the extra wisdom gives you more mana base plus higher mana regen.
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post Aug 27 2011, 02:41
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Off to the bazaar they go, then.

I've been selling off most of my gears since I'm not exactly sure anyone would buy level 60-90 gear anyway.
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post Aug 27 2011, 04:52
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I'd like to ask how does ADM and AAB work over power armor, weapon, offhand, and whatever else could effect it? IT seems ADM (attack damage multiplier) works additively, as everything just tacks onto the pile, while AAB (attack accuracy bonus) seems to have diminishing returns the closer it gets to 100% so that it won't ever actually get there.

With how monster evasion works (extremely simplified as "your acc - their evasion" i think?), it seems keeping your accuracy "stat" under 100% would be a huge waste of item's stats as well as probably what's holding back some of the non-giant monsters from standing out (like avions).
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post Aug 27 2011, 06:42
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Is the Penny Pincher & Frugality hath perk worth getting, that is when will you really notice a benefit (combined with other stuff like Scavenger say)?
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post Aug 27 2011, 09:32
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QUOTE(Ballistic9 @ Aug 27 2011, 06:42) *

Is the Penny Pincher & Frugality hath perk worth getting, that is when will you really notice a benefit (combined with other stuff like Scavenger say)?


I think especially when you training above 2/3 of henjutsu training.
so. said the important skills cost 160 millions to train full, so calculate for yourself which perk could save you what credits.
skills like scavenger are showing their effect the more you play. it might be worth just flushing IW on a decent difficulty level to get artifacts and stuff if your training is good.


@Koudesu

If they're not Phase, Ethereal, off the Bazaar.
If they're Kevlar, Shade, Power or Shield they might be worth keeping.

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post Aug 27 2011, 12:51
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anyone figured how to evaluate magic equip, comparing them on how much damage they can do?

some moths ago there was something like this
1% base damage = 2 prof points = 1 specific elemental bonus damage
but the higher specifice elmental damage wa, the better

meanwhile something changed?
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post Aug 27 2011, 14:38
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3 million EXP for Eve of Death on Heroic makes me a sad panda. ._.
I got 16 millions for Trio on Hell (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

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meanwhile something changed?

Not really, check this post.
It's probably going to change soon, though, since rating is going away.
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post Aug 27 2011, 15:48
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QUOTE((Cheater) Tiap @ Aug 27 2011, 15:38) *

3 million EXP for Eve of Death on Heroic makes me a sad panda. ._.
I got 16 millions for Trio on Hell (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
Not really, check this post.
It's probably going to change soon, though, since rating is going away.

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I got 16 millions for Trio on Hell

What.

I farmed 18kk exp from 39/85 rounds of IWBTH Crusade. Just HOW could you get THAT much from Hell difficulty? O_O
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post Aug 27 2011, 16:02
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QUOTE(MiAla @ Aug 27 2011, 15:48) *
What.
I farmed 18kk exp from 39/85 rounds of IWBTH Crusade. Just HOW could you get THAT much from Hell difficulty? O_O

No idea? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
Latter rounds have more enemies and give more EXP, maybe that's the reason.

I think Trio only gave me around 140K EXP and the round before that 180K, if that helps.
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post Aug 27 2011, 16:52
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I hardly ever calculate experience given per arena stage lol
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post Aug 27 2011, 20:02
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I think fleeing does consume stamina, actually. Testing here and there seems to make my stamina drop like a stone. Or rather, the act of entering a battle by itself drops your stamina.

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post Aug 27 2011, 20:26
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my assumption was it *had* to consume stamina. otherwise players could literally:
enter a round
spam all their depreciating/supportive spells
flee
wait for regeneration
repeat

with the +regen from spectral auras, someone could farm up magic prof pretty readily

but i wasn't 100% sure hence i didn't say a concrete yes or no
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post Aug 27 2011, 22:22
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now that we can adjust out stats as we want, i need an adrice on how to put my stats...

lerel 155 these are my stats
str 140
dex 136
ag 154
end 155
int 178
wis 172
I'm electric mage only. How should I redistribute points?
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post Aug 27 2011, 22:26
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looks fine to me =)

i think keeping agi = level or slightly higher is good especially in higher diff so you can avoid double taps

end is a preference thing since i keep it consistently 10 below agi but i could understand why people would want more end
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post Aug 27 2011, 22:51
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QUOTE(Ballistic9 @ Aug 27 2011, 06:42) *

Is the Penny Pincher & Frugality hath perk worth getting, that is when will you really notice a benefit (combined with other stuff like Scavenger say)?

Penny Pincher isn't really worth it, I don't think. It's too small margins.
Go for the crystarium perks instead, if it is money you want. The first level of it may cost more than the first level of penny pincher, but while you with penny pincher only get 1% here and 2% there (which does add upp, admittedly) you instead get double drops from the first level of crystarium.

And crystals have a decent value on the boards, if you don't want to use them yourself on your own monster. Definetly don't sell them in the bazaar, you get crap prices for them there.

QUOTE(dcherry @ Aug 27 2011, 20:26) *

my assumption was it *had* to consume stamina. otherwise players could literally:
enter a round
spam all their depreciating/supportive spells
flee
wait for regeneration
repeat

with the +regen from spectral auras, someone could farm up magic prof pretty readily

but i wasn't 100% sure hence i didn't say a concrete yes or no

Or, they could just enter a round, spam all their spells and then die. And wait for regeneration.
Since health regen is separate from mana regen, you can regen both at the same time.

Or you just run through the early arenas on easy difficulty, spam all your sells, kill the monsters with a one or two blows, then get a free regen. Rinse and repeat.
Admittedly, you can only do that as many times a day as you have low lvl arenas to breeze through.
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post Aug 28 2011, 00:24
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QUOTE(Randommember @ Aug 27 2011, 23:51) *

Penny Pincher isn't really worth it, I don't think. It's too small margins.
Go for the crystarium perks instead, if it is money you want. The first level of it may cost more than the first level of penny pincher, but while you with penny pincher only get 1% here and 2% there (which does add upp, admittedly) you instead get double drops from the first level of crystarium.

And crystals have a decent value on the boards, if you don't want to use them yourself on your own monster. Definetly don't sell them in the bazaar, you get crap prices for them there.
Or, they could just enter a round, spam all their spells and then die. And wait for regeneration.
Since health regen is separate from mana regen, you can regen both at the same time.

Or you just run through the early arenas on easy difficulty, spam all your sells, kill the monsters with a one or two blows, then get a free regen. Rinse and repeat.
Admittedly, you can only do that as many times a day as you have low lvl arenas to breeze through.

Funny. I keep on spam-using Heal tokens whenever I need to get back my HP/MP because I never run out of them but rather their quantity increases every day. Amidoinitrite?

Also I wonder if it would be wise for me to try to switch to a holy-based mage at my current level.
My current stats as a 2H-wielder:
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My equip:
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My mage offset (pretty crappy though, only 96% +holy EDB)
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Now I wonder if I should spend a week or two to relocate my primary attributes to mage build and then reset my abilities to the holy mage. So, would it be of any good for me?

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post Aug 28 2011, 01:16
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I have no f'ing clue what I'm doing. I've been playing with it off-and-on for years, and never had a clear unified theory on how to play. I just want to kill stuff and have some fun with it >.>;

If it matters I don't usually play tank classes in most games. I'm typically a rogue-type, or caster-type.

I'm basically just looking for a unified plan that makes sense. Example:

Str:Dex:Agi:End:Int:Wis <-> 5:2:2:4:1:1
Use this Aura
Focus on this types of abilities.
Focus on this type of gear/fighting style.

I like the idea of being a dual-wielding aggressive attacker. Kill them before they can hurt me too much. That's why I've been doing hardest in str, with dex/agi/end slightly behind, and keeping some int/wis because I like to cure and save my godly health for final battles.

If it matters I've cleared First Blood in Hell,
Baby Steps in Nintendo,
Learning Curves-Test of Faith in Hell,
Road Less Traveled-Blazing Field in Heroic.

Thanks for any advise you can provide!

P.S. I plan to donate to make up for all of my leeching soon as well if it matters for how I make my build.


EDIT: I forgot to mention that I haven't done anything with monsters

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post Aug 28 2011, 02:28
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When do monsters from the Monster Lab begin appearing in fights? I've got two, at PL 7 and 6 but can't see any evidence of them being used.
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post Aug 28 2011, 02:35
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QUOTE(MiAla @ Aug 28 2011, 06:24) *

Now I wonder if I should spend a week or two to relocate my primary attributes to mage build and then reset my abilities to the holy mage. So, would it be of any good for me?


I think I was around the same level when I tried holy maging for arenas. I was missing Heimdall shoes at the time, so 96% EDB should be enough. Make sure you have enough Godly Mana Potions and Energy Drinks though, you'll be going through them like candy. Depending on the difficulty level you may need to pack a spare Mana Elixir as well just in case (+Spirit Elixir for Battletoads). Started off at Nintendo with Great Status, now I don't need the Energy Drinks.
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post Aug 28 2011, 05:22
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I'm finally approaching 50 Hath (this shit takes forever to accumulate (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)). Is it worth holding out for one of the Spectral Auras (Black first, I think), or should I go ahead and get Innate Arcana I?
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