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post Mar 1 2010, 01:40
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QUOTE(coredumperror @ Feb 28 2010, 15:21) *

Hard. With a little luck on good quality equipment drops and staffs from trophies, I can make more than 13000c per day, just from those arena clears.

I'm not sure on the exact number, but, yeah, that sounds about right. That is exponential growth from what you make at lower levels.
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post Mar 1 2010, 01:41
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Those arenas have a boss at the end, and when you kill it you get a trophy that you can turn in for a staff.

I'm saving my trophies for when I have high level (110+). The shrine will give me equips with my current level, or with the level I earned the trophy?
I have a better chance to gain an expensive equip if I choose a staff, heavy armor or a shield?
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post Mar 1 2010, 01:52
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Shrine offerings give equipment within a range based on your current level.
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post Mar 1 2010, 02:34
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QUOTE(_MSK_ @ Feb 28 2010, 15:41) *
I have a better chance to gain an expensive equip if I choose a staff, heavy armor or a shield?

Staffs are the best for making lots of credits because even the most valuable heavy armor and shields are only about the same value as an average staff. And some staffs, specifically the Ebony and Katalox ones, can sell for a heck of a lot more than the best heavy armor.

For example, the most valuable heavy armor piece I've ever found sells to the bazaar for ~900c. The most valuable Katalox staff I've ever sold got me over 2500c. And most of the Average Ebony staffs I get sell in the 900c range.
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post Mar 1 2010, 10:16
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What is a good level for your magic proficiencies to be at? I'm level 43 now and my supportive/curative/deprecating is hovering at around 27~28 and it's become very hard to raise already, even with spamming mana pots and constantly using the skills.

Also how important is auto cast stuff? I'm getting this feeling that progressing will only become worse unless I have an autocast slot for one of the supportive spells.
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post Mar 1 2010, 11:52
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It's almost impossible to get dep/supp/curative magic up to
your level. Mine are 95/98/109 out of a possible 124, and I use
magic constantly.
Autocast slots are nice, but not necessary. I don't have any and
I beat bosses and legendaries with ease.
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post Mar 1 2010, 12:29
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QUOTE(burakumin @ Mar 1 2010, 00:16) *
Also how important is auto cast stuff? I'm getting this feeling that progressing will only become worse unless I have an autocast slot for one of the supportive spells.

Like toro said, the Innate Arcana hath perk is great, but not necessary. It only really becomes considerably better than usual once you've get rank 2 or 3 of the perk, since you start getting a significant cost reduction in your auto-cast spells. With just rank 1, all you're gaining is 1 turn saved re-casting the spell each time it would have expired.

So, if you really want auto-casts, you should save up your Hath until you have enough for at least 2 ranks of Innate Arcana.
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post Mar 1 2010, 19:15
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QUOTE(torotuna @ Mar 1 2010, 01:52) *

It's almost impossible to get dep/supp/curative magic up to
your level. Mine are 95/98/109 out of a possible 124, and I use
magic constantly.
Autocast slots are nice, but not necessary. I don't have any and
I beat bosses and legendaries with ease.

Actually, if you use a staff, deprecating proficiency is probably the easiest to keep at your level.
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post Mar 1 2010, 19:23
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Not impossible, but very difficult, particularly at lower levels. I have the luxury of being able to use all the arenas with XP modifiers less than 1x as spamming grounds. Thanks to that, my Curative and Supportive are both capped now and I'm working on Dep (I raised it by seven points just yesterday). It also helps to have 13 item slots and tons of low level mana restoratives.
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post Mar 1 2010, 19:24
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QUOTE(cmal @ Mar 1 2010, 09:23) *

Not impossible, but very difficult, particularly at lower levels. I have the luxury of being able to use all the arenas with XP modifiers less than 1x as spamming grounds. Thanks to that, my Curative and Supportive are both capped now and I'm working on Dep (I raised it by seven points just yesterday). It also helps to have 13 item slots and tons of low level mana restoratives.

And apparently a lot of free time.
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post Mar 1 2010, 19:36
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QUOTE(Boggyb @ Mar 1 2010, 12:24) *

And apparently a lot of free time.

It takes like a minute to clear the arena on Normal or Cake. Then its just a matter of holding down 'R'. It also helped that my Supportive and Curative have been around -10 or less from my level since 0.3.
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post Mar 1 2010, 19:45
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QUOTE(cmal @ Mar 1 2010, 09:36) *

It takes like a minute to clear the arena on Normal or Cake. Then its just a matter of holding down 'R'. It also helped that my Supportive and Curative have been around -10 or less from my level since 0.3.

Individually, nothing takes very long if you use the correct strategy (mainly maging for the high arenas). The problem is that when you do the boss arenas through crusade, and about 300 rounds in IW, the small amounts of time start to add up...
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post Mar 1 2010, 21:06
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I need advice on where to put some AP.

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Bewilder, Blind or Silence?
I read the EHWiki, but I wanna know if someone desagree with the Silence preference. I'll fight against the legendaries only after lvl110, so I'll have silence. Bewilder and Blind are gonna help me with something?
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QUOTE(_MSK_ @ Mar 1 2010, 11:06) *

I'll fight against the legendaries only after lvl110, so I'll have silence.

Um, why exactly? Yeah, they won't hit you with their spirit attack (we no longer call those legendaries...) or skills, but they will tear you apart with their non-weakened physical attacks. Use weaken + bewilder versus the legendaries.

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post Mar 1 2010, 21:41
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Um, why exactly? Yeah, they won't hit you with their spirit attack (we no longer call those legendaries...) or skills, but they will tear you apart with their non-weakened physical attacks. Use weaken + bewilder versus the legendaries.


Every day I do all Arena below Fresh Meat and only get 1 TB for about 10~15 days, so I don't wanna die and waste a TB. And I need to train Ability Boost to get some spirit tank and OB, and need level 100 to get spark of life (I don't like to waste a scroll of gods). Also I have crappy equip, so I need to level up to find better equips or to gain more credits selling high level equip to buy in the users shop.
I gain 1~2 levels per day, so I can wait till there.

Thanks for the advice.

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QUOTE(_MSK_ @ Mar 1 2010, 11:41) *

Every day I do all Arena below Fresh Meat and only get 1 TB for about 10~15 days, so I don't wanna die and waste a TB. And I need to train Ability Boost to get some spirit tank and OB, and need level 100 to get spark of life (I don't like to waste a scroll of gods). Also I have crappy equip, so I need to level up to find better equips or to gain more credits selling high level equip to buy in the users shop.
I gain 1~2 levels per day, so I can wait till there.

Yeah, just use spark, keep a spirit elixir or two on hand in case her legendary hits you more than twice. But, feel free to completely ignore my advice. It isn't like I've beaten them multiple times using varied strategies. I definitely don't know what I'm talking about. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Mar 1 2010, 23:33
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QUOTE(_MSK_ @ Mar 1 2010, 19:41) *

Every day I do all Arena below Fresh Meat and only get 1 TB for about 10~15 days, so I don't wanna die and waste a TB. And I need to train Ability Boost to get some spirit tank and OB, and need level 100 to get spark of life (I don't like to waste a scroll of gods). Also I have crappy equip, so I need to level up to find better equips or to gain more credits selling high level equip to buy in the users shop.
I gain 1~2 levels per day, so I can wait till there.

Thanks for the advice.

You don't need to worry about silence and spark of life, just bring mitigation gear (around 25% it's fine).
If they are weakened/bewildered you will survive their spirit attack (their damage is around 70-75% HP), and their attacks hurt you less.
Plus proficiencies are very important especially supportive/deprecating/curative and holy, it will save a lot MP.
Another advise, clear the arenas in the reverse way, because the last ones have a more probability to drop TB.
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post Mar 2 2010, 01:50
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Weaken / Bewilder / Blind / Silence - all worth having, or are some redundant?

In particular, how much of an issue is it that Silence cannot be combined with Weaken/Blind and Blind cannot be used with Bewilder/Silence? (last I heard)
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QUOTE(Panuru @ Mar 1 2010, 18:50) *

Weaken / Bewilder / Blind / Silence - all worth having, or are some redundant?

In particular, how much of an issue is it that Silence cannot be combined with Weaken/Blind and Blind cannot be used with Bewilder/Silence? (last I heard)

I use Silence exclusively and just tank the normal damage. Not necessarily the best strategy, but it works for me.
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QUOTE(Panuru @ Mar 1 2010, 15:50) *
Weaken / Bewilder / Blind / Silence - all worth having, or are some redundant?

I use Weaken and Silence all the time, and occasionally toss out Bewilders on bosses and certain minibosses when I'm playing Battletoads arenas. I've never used Blind, but since I get by just find without it, I wouldn't say it's worth 5 AP. Besides, most monsters you'd want to use Blind on would also be the monsters you'd want to be Silencing (or Weakening + Bewildering), which Blind doesn't work with.

Once you have Silence, Bewilder becomes a very situational spell. You pretty much only want it against monsters you have to Weaken (like bosses on Battletoads), since you can't afford to Silence those. Silence is better than Bewilder in every other case.

QUOTE(Panuru @ Mar 1 2010, 15:50) *
In particular, how much of an issue is it that Silence cannot be combined with Weaken/Blind and Blind cannot be used with Bewilder/Silence? (last I heard)

The full list of debuff interactions is on the wiki page for deprecating spells. In practice, that really just means that Weaken and Silence can't be up at the same time. Which is honestly a good thing, imo, since when combined they make even foes like IPU and FSM into weak kittens, which is boring as hell.
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