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Would you say this is good for Lv.200?

Build: Mage

(Stats are formatted as "Effective (Base [+ Shrine Bonus])" for HP/MP/SP, primary stats, and proficiencies.)

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HP/MP/SP:
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HP: 5565 (3274)
MP:  992 (620)
SP:  226 (226)

Primary:
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Str:   0 (0)
Dex:   0 (0)
Agi: 210 (124)
End: 204 (204)
Int: 299 (240)
Wis: 411 (250 + 2)

Derived:
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Physical:
Dmg:  717
Hit:   94.1%
Crit:   5.0%
ASpd:  +0.5%

Magic:
Dmg: 1125
Hit:  120.2%
Crit:  24.0%
Cost: 100.0%
Spd:   +6.4%

Defense:
P.Mit: 37.5%
M.Mit: 42.4%
Evade: 25.0%
Block:  0.0%
Parry:  0.0%
Res:   33.8%

Mitigations:
Wind:  18.0%
Holy:  15.4%
Crush:  9.4%
All others 0%.

Damage bonus:
Fire: 45.7%
Cold: 12.5%
Wind:  7.7%
Elec:  9.3%
All others 0%.

Proficiencies:
1H:      0 (0.00)
2H:      0 (0.00)
Dual:    0 (0.00)
Staff: 155 (154.68)
Cloth: 167 (166.50)
Light:   1 (0.54)
Heavy:  51 (50.57)
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Elemental:   282 (145.14)
Divine:       42 (12.98)
Forbidden:    10 (9.76)
Deprecating:  91 (33.29)
Supportive:  179 (157.12)

Other:
Coalesced Mana: 25%

Or for anyone that prefers pictures:

Stats:
Effective: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/mDoiZ/5587ecfc5d.png
Actual: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/mDoao/96de2e5af0.png

Proficiencies:
Effective: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/mDoq1/a36c47ffc4.png
Actual: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/mDomZ/dbaf21a3da.png

Offense:
Physical: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/mDoGk/27b776daa1.png
Magic: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/mDoJi/c4dc38b221.png
Elemental: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/mDoM2/5d65c6bb06.png

Defense:
General: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/mDoz9/b316ca23d5.png
Elemental: [puu.sh] http://puu.sh/mDoBV/d241cbef0e.png

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Equipment:
Staff: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6d19ed0f2b (soulbound because Ethereal)
Cap: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ccb6a394fb
Robe: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=03bdf7b486 (soulbound because Charged)
Gloves: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e25ea5989d
Pants: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9be15192fb (need to replace sooner or later)
Shoes: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1c59438bca


Not asking for build advice or anything, just whether these are good stats for a Lv.200 mage.

This post has been edited by conundrum: Jan 21 2016, 01:46

Would you say this is good for Lv.200?

Build: Mage

Equipment:
Staff: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6d19ed0f2b (soulbound because Ethereal)
Cap: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ccb6a394fb
Robe: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=03bdf7b486 (soulbound because Charged)
Gloves: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e25ea5989d
Pants: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=9be15192fb (need to replace sooner or later)
Shoes: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1c59438bca

Don't soulbind anything else until you get at least Mag-grade good equipment. Soul fragments are precious for low-level players and you don't want to waste them on Superiors or other junk worth less than 10k.

Ethereal is the worst prefix a staff can have because it means no EDB bonus.

If you're going to mage - which isn't recommended below level 310-ish - focus on one element, and use a staff that gives EDB in that element, as well as Phase for that element. The only other armor to possibly wear is prof armor for that element (as in, no Curse-Weaver, no Heaven-sent for non-Holy mages, etc).

If I were you, I'd switch to 1h/light armor for the forseeable future. You'll likely be able to handle much higher difficulties, especially on REs, and you won't have to guzzle as many mana potions as you're likely doing now.

As I edited in (a bit too late, apparently), I don't want any build advice. I was just asking whether my stats are good for a Lv.200 mage or not.


A question which you didn't even attempt to answer, I might add.



Also, if someone asks a question about a build, or asks for advice on a build, the least useful answer you could ever give is "change your build". It says nothing of any use whatsoever to the person who asked the question, isn't even slightly relevant, and gives the impression that you don't actually know the answer, but just want to be heard anyways. No offense.

This post has been edited by conundrum: Jan 21 2016, 02:29

As I edited in (a bit too late, apparently), I don't want any build advice. I was just asking whether my stats are good for a Lv.200 mage or not.

Assuming you use Fire only

Damage bonus:
Fire: 45.7%

Not good, unfortunately. I think a fully equipped level 200 mage could get around 170 EDB or so, which is the most important stat. Having only 46 means next to no damage output.

(but the only way to change this is by changing your equipment)

A question which you didn't even attempt to answer, I might add.

I didn't want to appear too blunt (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Thought it was obvious.

Also, if someone asks a question about a build, or asks for advice on a build, the least useful answer you could ever give is "change your build".

I am sorry that I had typed a response to your post before your edit...?

This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Jan 21 2016, 02:30

Ah, okay. I was basically just using whatever I got from drops or the shrine (or buying stuff to replace particularly low-level items, if there was something good in the shop), and wanted to know how my stuff stacked up. Thanks. I use fire the most, but I tend to rotate through the elements if I inflict the debuffs or the enemies seem to resist fire, and I use holy & dark for bosses weak to them. Otherwise, though, mainly fire.


And the problem isn't that you answered before the edit, it's that your answer said nothing of use. If the question is "Are these stats good for Lv.X?", then which of these is a good answer, and which ...isn't?

1) "Change your build."
2) "You should probably have Y [stat] by now, if fully equipped."

Hint: It's the one that's actually related to the question.



Not trying to be mean or anything, it just irks me when people ignore a question for the sake of giving an unrelated opinion that says nothing that's actually relevant to the question, and think that's a viable answer.

This post has been edited by conundrum: Jan 21 2016, 02:56

We have to admit, people who work on animation are mostly fans turned "professional", and if you move from being fans to a pro, many couldn't cope with the burden of professional business expectation ... and boy there's lots of them that ended up doing their job halfheartedly in the end.

This is not really the case, people who work on animation are fans turned professional because it's one of the worst paid job, no one will actually take such an heavy job when he knows he will get just enough money to get buy.
Most of the animators are also freelances and take as many jobs as possible to try to get at least a decent amount of money (so that they are not in the red after they subtract living expenses).

Moreover, those who works for hentai stuff are mostly those who didn't get accepted to work for big studio

I don't think there is even a bar there, if you're stupid enough to get a work where you get paid half of what you would get from working in a combini you will probably get the job easily enough.
Hentai are probably done either in China or by some random studios that have no quality standard whatsoever (I'm pretty sure most episodes are subcontracted).
And to be fair they looked bad even in the past, it's not a recent trend at all, there are a bunch of non-crappy shows, but outside of those selected few the average quality is really really low.

I had hoped you could draw a conclusion from the "Superiors or other junk worth less than 10k" without having to go into more detail, but if you wish I'll spell it out explicitly... it's all trash, the stats are either too low (the only Phase is bound 80 levels below yours) or the equipment type is nearly useless (like prof for elements you don't use or don't have any real EDB for). They're all more valuable as salvage parts than as something to be equipped.

Knowing whether a particular style is good or not is very useful and important information to have, which many lower-level players lack. That alone can mean the difference between struggling along on Hard or Nightmare and being able to play Nintendo. I can't in good conscience tell anyone "That mage equipment is quite good!" without also saying "But poor melee equipment will still perform far better." From personal experience, it's not fun to pursue the wrong style for many levels just because you never heard otherwise (or because you never thought to ask exactly the right question to someone who only answers exactly what was asked).

If you already knew and want to mage anyway, that's great, but just in case you didn't, best to let you know (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Don't bite my head off for trying to save you a hundred levels of frustration.

I had hoped you could draw a conclusion from the "Superiors or other junk worth less than 10k" without having to go into more detail, but if you wish I'll spell it out explicitly... it's all trash, the stats are either too low (the only Phase is bound 80 levels below yours) or the equipment type is nearly useless (like prof for elements you don't use or don't have any real EDB for). They're all more valuable as salvage parts than as something to be equipped.

The thing is, though, that while I use fire the most, I still use the others at times. Also, there isn't much good low-level mage gear to choose from, with the vast majority being average or lower (at the moment, the only superior or higher cloth armour with a level lower than 391 is an item I listed, in case anyone else had a mid-level mage and wanted it; similarly, it's very rare that I see a good staff lower than Lv.350, or that one close to my current one drops). Considering you get bindings and most of your materials back when you salvage an item, I figured that if I couldn't find something good, I'd just make my gear workable until I got to a high enough level to do so. As such, whenever I do find better gear, I replace what I have. It's workable for leveling, but I wasn't sure where my stats were compared to the average for a Lv.200 mage. Hence the question. [This is also why my pants are Lv.125, good low-to-mid-level mage gear is just that rare.]

Knowing whether a particular style is good or not is very useful and important information to have, which many lower-level players lack. That alone can mean the difference between struggling along on Hard or Nightmare and being able to play Nintendo. I can't in good conscience tell anyone "That mage equipment is quite good!" without also saying "But poor melee equipment will still perform far better." From personal experience, it's not fun to pursue the wrong style for many levels just because you never heard otherwise (or because you never thought to ask exactly the right question to someone who only answers exactly what was asked).

Knowing that anything that doesn't actually answer the question isn't an answer to that question is also useful information to have. If someone asks what's the best restaurant in town, you don't tell them where the grocery store is and say to cook their own meal. Likewise, if someone asks whether their stats are good for a mage, you don't tell them they should switch to a 1H melee build. That's less than useless. If I was even remotely interested in changing my build, I'd have asked whether my stats were good in general, or whether I should change my build, not if they were good for a mage; honestly, I figured that would be obvious, but I guess I was wrong.

If you already knew and want to mage anyway, that's great, but just in case you didn't, best to let you know (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Don't bite my head off for trying to save you a hundred levels of frustration.

I'm not. I'm biting your head off for wasting my time and yours with a less-than-useless answer that literally said nothing of benefit to anyone, instead of answering an extremely simple question. If you have to be called out on ignoring the question and saying something unrelated before you even try to answer it, there may be something wrong with your approach to answering questions.

Again, not trying to be rude, it just pisses me off when people think unwanted advice that's not related to a question is a viable answer, especially when they claim it actually is an answer or otherwise defend it.

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Also, unless a game is explicitly impossible to play a certain way, then "Instead of playing the game the way you want to, you should play the way I want you to" is always terrible advice, IMO. If it's obvious someone wants to play a game a certain way, you shouldn't try to get them to do otherwise. If someone wants to play a game a more challenging way, then either they'll stop playing, they'll switch to something less challenging, or they'll earn bragging rights by doing it the hard way.

This post has been edited by conundrum: Jan 21 2016, 03:43

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=29faf329b2
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b70f42c415

can someone tell me which one better? wanna try out elec mage.
dont bother telling me there is a better one out there or its better to find legendary cause i cant afford it unless its free.

thanks in advance.

Also, unless a game is explicitly impossible to play a certain way, then "Instead of playing the game the way you want to, you should play the way I want you to" is always terrible advice, IMO. If it's obvious someone wants to play a game a certain way, you shouldn't try to get them to do otherwise. If someone wants to play a game a more challenging way, then either they'll stop playing, they'll switch to something less challenging, or they'll earn bragging rights by doing it the hard way.

I think this is just general advice for like trouble shooting, they always start with the stupidest questions.

As you your question, no they are not good stats.
You want to add your stats evenly for example wis=int=end=agi=0.5dex or wis=int=end=agi=dex, they are weighted for exp required not actual ratio because this way you can have the most stat points for the least exp spent.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=29faf329b2
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b70f42c415

can someone tell me which one better? wanna try out elec mage.
dont bother telling me there is a better one out there or its better to find legendary cause i cant afford it unless its free.

thanks in advance.

Exquisite is better imo.

Yea. We can roughly count sum of mdb and edb. That works good, specially without forging. Exq has 38+14 = 52 and sup has 20+24 = 44. Huge diff. After that counter-resist, because exq has it also. And at the end prof and again its same. So i dont see any reason to use that redwood.

But i also should warn mage doesnt work that way. Its the weakest defense which should be compensated by attack or lower difficulty. In other words we probably cant see much difference between <20m credits 1h sets, because it has low entry threshold. After that its only little difference. For mages its absolutely different. At low edge it might be absolute not playable at high diff (pf and maybe even for 300+ levels) and at other in few times faster with low amount of cures.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Jan 21 2016, 12:28

Yea. We can roughly count sum of mdb and edb. That works good, specially without forging. Exq has 38+14 = 52 and sup has 20+24 = 44. Huge diff. After that counter-resist, because exq has it also. And at the end prof and again its same. So i dont see any reason to use that redwood.

But i also should warn mage doesnt work that way. Its the weakest defense which should be compensated by attack or lower difficulty. In other words we probably cant see much difference between <20m credits 1h sets, because it has low entry threshold. After that its only little difference. For mages its absolutely different. At low edge it might be absolute not playable at high diff (pf and maybe even for 300+ levels) and at other in few times faster with low amount of cures.

i'm going to use it for normal difficulty arenas since my freeze keep getting resisted.
besides, even for RE i only go for nintendo nver higher which so far is going well for me. well enough at least for the exp.

As I edited in (a bit too late, apparently), I don't want any build advice. I was just asking whether my stats are good for a Lv.200 mage or not.
A question which you didn't even attempt to answer, I might add.
Also, if someone asks a question about a build, or asks for advice on a build, the least useful answer you could ever give is "change your build". It says nothing of any use whatsoever to the person who asked the question, isn't even slightly relevant, and gives the impression that you don't actually know the answer, but just want to be heard anyways. No offense.

cool your engines, bro.
i looked at what latanium says for quite a while, and he isn't a cocky guy who go around saying "you have to do what I want you to do, rather than what YOU want to do".
he, like many other people here are only a player who uses his knowledge to help players of all levels. and like me and other ones he's only positive that someone going here asking for help is positive about wanting to optimize his build.
what we suggest here isn't what we want you to do, is what we noted is the best for achieving a certain degree of results, continuosly upgraded by the feedbacks of people who asks for help.

as for you, it's true that you said "i only want to hear whether my build is good or not", but my personal opinion is it actually is so little optimized that the best thing to do is to re-start again from zero. i would've surely written myself if he hadn't.

feel free to take my post as an interpretation on what happens here, or to discard it as an anonymous comment from an anonymous person on the internet. right now, my priority is making lunch ready (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Also, unless a game is explicitly impossible to play a certain way, then "Instead of playing the game the way you want to, you should play the way I want you to" is always terrible advice, IMO. If it's obvious someone wants to play a game a certain way, you shouldn't try to get them to do otherwise. If someone wants to play a game a more challenging way, then either they'll stop playing, they'll switch to something less challenging, or they'll earn bragging rights by doing it the hard way.

it's not impossible, it's only a waste of time. as i said before, we only suggest the most optimized build. what you actually want to do is your choice. if your choice is to brag rights about what you're doing, then go without a build at all. you'll be the toughest guy around here.

and what i cut from this post are actually quite big words. keep them for when you'll have to lecturing your childs, they may come handy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=29faf329b2
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=b70f42c415

can someone tell me which one better? wanna try out elec mage.
dont bother telling me there is a better one out there or its better to find legendary cause i cant afford it unless its free.

thanks in advance.

i guess the Willow one. it also has innate Counter-Resist

i'm going to use it for normal difficulty arenas since my freeze keep getting resisted.
besides, even for RE i only go for nintendo nver higher which so far is going well for me. well enough at least for the exp.

This way it should be ok. You can also look for good cotton with elemental prof instead phase and check result. It might be better.

This way it should be ok. You can also look for good cotton with elemental prof instead phase and check result. It might be better.

already have the mjolnir phase set, also got my ele prof to 160+. dont think i need to focus on it anymore since T3 spells is available by now.

already have the mjolnir phase set, also got my ele prof to 160+. dont think i need to focus on it anymore since T3 spells is available by now.

Maybe you're used to how melee players treat magic proficiency as something they just need to get enough of to unlock a spell (eg. Silence).

But proficiency is really important for mages, and goes beyond merely unlocking the spell. See http://ehwiki.org/wiki/proficiency#Magic_Proficiencies

Depending on difficulty, play style, ... mages usually try to get their proficiency to between 1.5 to 2.0 times of their level (corresponding to what is referred on the wiki as 0.5 to 1.0 proficiency factor).

Yea. Reason for that is almost completely mitg reduction, because you wont use imperil and many monsters have 50 or even 60-70+ mitg. Any has defense and for example if its 60% mmi and 50 mitg then our damage from 10000 reduces to 10000*(1-0,6)*(1-0,5)= 2000. In 5 times lower. So it has sense to use less phase and even with 6000 base damage deal 6000*(1-0,6)*(1)=2400.

Maybe you're used to how melee players treat magic proficiency as something they just need to get enough of to unlock a spell (eg. Silence).

But proficiency is really important for mages, and goes beyond merely unlocking the spell. See http://ehwiki.org/wiki/proficiency#Magic_Proficiencies

Depending on difficulty, play style, ... mages usually try to get their proficiency to between 1.5 to 2.0 times of their level (corresponding to what is referred on the wiki as 0.5 to 1.0 proficiency factor).

it says im going to get less prof after 250,
then its best for me to keep playing on normal until i got way better prof or what?

Yes, some of the proficiency will rise naturally when you play:

- elemental proficiency will rise naturally when you cast your T3/T2/T1 spells. But, it will be capped at your level. That's why nec1986 suggested swapping some phase for proficiency cotton.

- deprecating proficiency will rise naturally if you cast Imperil. if you don't cast Imperil, it doesn't matter much anyway.

- you'll probably spend a lot of time casting fullcure / cure, so supportive proficiency will catch up naturally too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

- staff proficiency will not rise naturally with typical maging. So you will actually need to make an effort to grind this. Maybe do this now, before you reach level 250. Then every 50-100 levels or so after that.