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Jan 18 2016, 19:24
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(TheRapture @ Jan 18 2016, 17:12)  Been sorta playing this game again. Advice seems to indicate that 1H + Shield + Light Armor is no longer as viable or overpowered a build as previously; here are my equips:
I've got pretty sad profs as well: 125 one-handed, 51 two-handed, and 181 light armor with all others being irrelevant levels.
What's the ideal set-up these days? Seems cheaper for me to swap to a two-handed style since I'd only be replacing weapon vs. replacing all armors.
Also, while I'm dumping questions, I've got loads of items clogging up my inventory. I've got a few bindings and shards, piles and piles of scrolls, a bunch of infusions, and some artifacts. What's worth keeping, and what should be sold?
Thanks in advance for help. 1h/leather is fine, it's actually probably the best option between 150 and 250. Don't feel compelled to switch to Heavy (some Power) yet, since you probably don't have quite enough innate tankyness from level scaling to handle incoming damage on high difficulty with Heavy. But you should use a rapier, not a shortsword. One stack of PA is far better than 3 stacks of bleed. (Any exquisite+ prefixed rapier of Slaughter or Nimble with Dex will work) 2h is not good past 150, except for high level players with forged sets playing around (or those playing Hellfest who are too lazy to switch to mage). Otherwise, incoming damage is too annoying to deal with on interesting difficulties; better to stick with 1h. Commodities are fine, just look on WTB and WTS for how much they're valued. Keep (or sell) everything, don't bazaar. If you have unassigned equipment left over you can send them to a freeshop for other low-level players in need to use.
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Jan 18 2016, 19:28
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nec1986
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Jan 18 2016, 18:52)  I don't think you can oneshot anything with 1h mage.
Ive checked. 2 4 Orbital Friendship Cannon crits Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 76967 void damage 2 3 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Sugar Winter for 70741 void damage 2 2 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Predator for 44613 void damage With imperil. 4 4 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Lenia Vea for 174457 void damage 4 3 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Kirisame Marisa for 129052 void damage 4 2 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Dizzy for 127879 void damage I expected a bit more. But overcharge gain looks very nice. Seems its even possibly to use by cd and after imperil many dies. So i see 3 ways to use it. 1. Simple put in rotation. Because imperil and attack is divided then it always hits auto against imperiled monsters. Its fast, without mp price and very strong. Something like T4 spell. And sure minus is sometimes it wont hit many targets or we get overdamage, also it ll be without stance. 2. Manually use it in new round with spirit stance. The strongest damage, but minus is because its slower. Well, not very slow probably, because we can bind few keys and simple press it one by one. But definitely more complicated rotation. When i testes pure and 1h mage difference in clearspeed was ~15-20%. If rounds is 20 turns and reduced one is halved then 60-->50 is something near same 20%. Not sure about +-, but with good settled playing it might be very close. 3. Use it for mana price reduction, but usually mana is very cheap. This post has been edited by nec1986: Jan 18 2016, 19:29
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Jan 18 2016, 19:29
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TheRapture
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Jan 18 2016, 20:20)  err , 2H is not so good style now unless you have very great gears + heavy forging (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Welp, guess the Wiki is wrong then. QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 18 2016, 20:24)  But you should use a rapier, not a shortsword. One stack of PA is far better than 3 stacks of bleed. (Any exquisite+ prefixed rapier of Slaughter or Nimble with Dex will work)
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Commodities are fine, just look on WTB and WTS for how much they're valued. Keep (or sell) everything, don't bazaar. If you have unassigned equipment left over you can send them to a freeshop for other low-level players in need to use.
Is it preferable to just purchase one off of bazaar or WTB forums, or can I burn a few artifacts shooting for one? Good to see the freeshop is still open, also, though I doubt I have any gear worth their time.
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Jan 18 2016, 19:33
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tayulog
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Well, I get my level 310 today, so I try some low level arena on PFUDOR with max faster imperil.
Disappointment, once again. I have to flee for the level 40 arena, and I die on the level 50 arena on IWBTH (with VV Hath perk).
Casting Imperil manualy is just too boring and take too much time. Is there a way to include imperil in spellspam, like cast it 2 times at the beginning of the turn, then don't cast it until the end of the turn?
I obviously don't have the level to play on PFUDOR/IWBTH, and as I already die once today playing on HELL, I think I will go back to normal/hard difficulty for a very long time.
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Jan 18 2016, 19:37
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(TheRapture @ Jan 18 2016, 17:29)  Is it preferable to just purchase one off of bazaar or WTB forums, or can I burn a few artifacts shooting for one? Good to see the freeshop is still open, also, though I doubt I have any gear worth their time. If you can find anything matching those above conditions anywhere for less than 70k or so, go ahead and buy it, it'll give you a huge clear speed boost against Giants and Arthropods, among others. Artifacts don't give equipment, only trophies give equipment. But you're unlikely to find any rapiers above Superior at any reasonable rate, given trophy values, so better to sell your trophies and buy a rapier separately.
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Jan 18 2016, 19:39
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TheRapture
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 18 2016, 20:37)  If you can find anything matching those above conditions anywhere for less than 70k or so, go ahead and buy it, it'll give you a huge clear speed boost against Giants and Arthropods, among others.
Artifacts don't give equipment, only trophies give equipment. But you're unlikely to find any rapiers above Superior at any reasonable rate, given trophy values, so better to sell your trophies and buy a rapier separately.
I keep forgetting artifacts and trophies are different. Thanks for the tips, much appreciated.
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Jan 18 2016, 21:12
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jan 18 2016, 18:28)  Ive checked.
2 4 Orbital Friendship Cannon crits Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 76967 void damage 2 3 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Sugar Winter for 70741 void damage 2 2 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Predator for 44613 void damage
With imperil. 4 4 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Lenia Vea for 174457 void damage 4 3 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Kirisame Marisa for 129052 void damage 4 2 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Dizzy for 127879 void damage
With imperil may be viable (many will probably not get one-shotted even with imperil). For reference this is what I get from 1H + heavy. 23 10 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Temp009 for 479596 void damage 23 8 Orbital Friendship Cannon crits Ichy for 287831 void damage 23 6 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Hong Meiling My Wife for 154752 void damage 23 4 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Kirishima Kirihiko for 119857 void damage 23 2 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits I Fear Estoc for 362583 void damage Temp009 was probably the last monster I was attacking and had some PA stacks (that's why I say I also use OFC against SGs after I get some PAs, difference is visible).
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Jan 18 2016, 21:19
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(tayulog @ Jan 19 2016, 01:33)  Well, I get my level 310 today, so I try some low level arena on PFUDOR with max faster imperil.
Disappointment, once again. I have to flee for the level 40 arena, and I die on the level 50 arena on IWBTH (with VV Hath perk).
Casting Imperil manualy is just too boring and take too much time. Is there a way to include imperil in spellspam, like cast it 2 times at the beginning of the turn, then don't cast it until the end of the turn?
I obviously don't have the level to play on PFUDOR/IWBTH, and as I already die once today playing on HELL, I think I will go back to normal/hard difficulty for a very long time.
Maybe its your scripts setting? Can you stop immediately after spark proc?
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Jan 18 2016, 22:08
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Fudo Masamune
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QUOTE(tayulog @ Jan 19 2016, 00:33)  Well, I get my level 310 today, so I try some low level arena on PFUDOR with max faster imperil.
Disappointment, once again. I have to flee for the level 40 arena, and I die on the level 50 arena on IWBTH (with VV Hath perk).
Casting Imperil manualy is just too boring and take too much time. Is there a way to include imperil in spellspam, like cast it 2 times at the beginning of the turn, then don't cast it until the end of the turn?
I obviously don't have the level to play on PFUDOR/IWBTH, and as I already die once today playing on HELL, I think I will go back to normal/hard difficulty for a very long time.
how could you not finish low level pf arena on lvl 310? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I finish PF DWD on lvl 305 -edit- oh mage... This post has been edited by Fudo Masamune: Jan 18 2016, 22:09
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Jan 18 2016, 22:13
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cichy133
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Jan 18 2016, 22:26
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nec1986
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QUOTE(tayulog @ Jan 18 2016, 20:33)  Casting Imperil manualy is just too boring and take too much time. Is there a way to include imperil in spellspam, like cast it 2 times at the beginning of the turn, then don't cast it until the end of the turn?
There are few methods, but most common is probably use hover/keys for different actions. For example you can use 2-5-8 numpad keys for imperiling 2nd, 5th and 8th monsters (all 3 covers full 9monsters range) and hover for attack spells. So its just fast without stop pressed down 3 keys, check resist and hover to kill. Works pretty well.
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Jan 18 2016, 22:28
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cichy133
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jan 18 2016, 21:26)  There are few methods, but most common is probably use hover/keys for different actions. For example you can use 2-5-8 numpad keys for imperiling 2nd, 5th and 8th monsters (all 3 covers full 9monsters range) and hover for attack spells. So its just fast without stop pressed down 3 keys, check resist and hover to kill. Works pretty well.
I'm using lmb to offensive spells, rmb to weaken and middle button [scroll] to imperil. Works great for me.
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Jan 18 2016, 22:29
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Jan 18 2016, 21:13)  Shortsword, mediocre damage, bad parry, 6 turns. It's ethereal, but that's it, I would not spend more than 100-150k even if I wanted a shortsword.
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Jan 18 2016, 23:37
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Jan 18 2016, 11:12)  With imperil may be viable (many will probably not get one-shotted even with imperil). For reference this is what I get from 1H + heavy.
23 10 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Temp009 for 479596 void damage 23 8 Orbital Friendship Cannon crits Ichy for 287831 void damage 23 6 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Hong Meiling My Wife for 154752 void damage 23 4 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits Kirishima Kirihiko for 119857 void damage 23 2 Orbital Friendship Cannon hits I Fear Estoc for 362583 void damage
Temp009 was probably the last monster I was attacking and had some PA stacks (that's why I say I also use OFC against SGs after I get some PAs, difference is visible).
I just tried imperiling targets in PF RE. RE is like 5 times as tough as an Arena round, right? Imperil + Spirit Stance + OFC = one-shot the whole group of 8, 7 and 10 mobs - three times straight. Maybe SGs would survive?
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Jan 18 2016, 23:55
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Jan 18 2016, 22:37)  I just tried imperiling targets in PF RE. RE is like 5 times as tough as an Arena round, right?
No, just gives 5 times more EXP, but that's it. Also for consistently one-shotting a SG (except Konata) I think you need something like imperil + fully forged power of slaughter + Æsahættr + Manehattan Project.
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Jan 19 2016, 00:14
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Cejay
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So, 1H is the ideal build? I've gone for 1H mage transferring to full mage once mana management is improved.
Any suggestions what the stat split for a would be mage might be?
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Jan 19 2016, 00:59
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formigao
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just got lvl 250 and i was expecting a big jump in power.
but a think 1H Block talent is bugged.
i have 217 prof and it says 0.025 bonus block i should have extra 5.4%
but this talent add 0%
can someone check it ?
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Jan 19 2016, 01:13
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(formigao @ Jan 18 2016, 23:59)  just got lvl 250 and i was expecting a big jump in power.
but a think 1H Block talent is bugged.
i have 217 prof and it says 0.025 bonus block i should have extra 5.4%
but this talent add 0%
can someone check it ?
did you slot the ability and the required APs?
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Jan 19 2016, 01:23
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formigao
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 18 2016, 21:13)  did you slot the ability and the required APs?
some bug i reset and put again and now is working. bu number is off. i got 3.5% block but should be 0.025 * 217 = 5.4% why this difference ?
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