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post Jan 18 2016, 01:40
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QUOTE(TrisserT @ Jan 17 2016, 23:33) *
What would be the spells to focus on if you are playing melee (1h w/ shield)? Wiki said only silence and maybe better heartseeker for suggestions. Id appreciate if you could tell me your opinion though. Thanks. Helps a lot.
Mostly, just the self-buffing spells like Spark, Haste, Heartseeker etc. Use all of them, except possibly for Shadow Veil, which isn't too effective with 1h (but still an OK option if you're taking too much damage without it).

In rare cases, like against FSM or schoolgirls, you might use Silence if you can't kill them fast enough, and the incoming damage is more than you can bear. But usually it's easier to ignore depreciating spells completely, and you'll still usually be fine.
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post Jan 18 2016, 01:46
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 18 2016, 01:40) *

Mostly, just the self-buffing spells like Spark, Haste, Heartseeker etc. Use all of them, except possibly for Shadow Veil, which isn't too effective with 1h (but still an OK option if you're taking too much damage without it).

In rare cases, like against FSM or schoolgirls, you might use Silence if you can't kill them fast enough, and the incoming damage is more than you can bear. But usually it's easier to ignore depreciating spells completely, and you'll still usually be fine.

Okay, sounds good. Is 1h melee better with light or heavy armor, or is it just preference? Also, are regen and protection both worth using or stick to one of them/neither? Thanks for your responses to my last few questions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 18 2016, 01:52
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Jan 17 2016, 21:15) *

By overall exp? Just do reverse arenas order [dwd first, then second sg, first sg, etc.] Exp/t definitely t&t first then all the way down to 55 rounds and then probably dwd.


Xp per minute is a better measure i think.

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 17 2016, 21:26) *

Don't the 1st and 2nd SG arenas give less experience per round than Trio and To Kill a God? Factor in the much larger time required, and their XP/time is much, much worse.

Even DwD, which gives more than double the XP of Trio, still has worse XP/time.

For those mostly just interested in efficient XP gain, it's best to avoid the SG arenas completely. They're probably only a decent option if you're looking for something else (trophies, PF clear bonus, credits), but not for XP.


SG arena you mean End of Day and Eternal Darkness?

i really don't like to do it.. boss every round after 50 +- take too much time to finish.

i'm only farming T&T every day.

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post Jan 18 2016, 02:09
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 18 2016, 00:26) *

For those mostly just interested in efficient XP gain, it's best to avoid the SG arenas completely. They're probably only a decent option if you're looking for something else (trophies, PF clear bonus, credits), but not for XP.

Well, New Wings and below arenas give very crappy XP per rounds and per time, so I would not entirely discard SG arenas.
I would rank them something like this:
The Trio and the Tree
To Kill a God
Eve of Death
A Dance with Dragons - End of Days
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I'm ranking End of Days with DwD because my personal best clear time is ~13 minutes, which is not bad (T&T is ~9), EXP should be similar to T&T (maybe a little more), with 10 more rounds.
And you get some trophies.

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post Jan 18 2016, 02:19
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Yuck. I just looked at doing the first and second SG arenas for trophies, and it's quite bad. Assuming you play them on Normal (since higher difficulties drastically increase SG HP while only dropping same amount of trophies), the stamina cost is nearly equal to the revenue. Average: 23 SG trophies, 5 boss trophies, comes out to a bit more than 20k. Credit income: 10k-15k. Crystals are nonexistent, and artifacts are unlikely for similar reasons (few monsters, and 10% trophy drop comes before other drop rolls). Average artifacts: even with high training, probably not more than 0.7 = 12k. Income: 36k + artifacts. Cost: 235 rounds * 150c/round + repair costs = 36k.

If you have stamina to spare, 48k in 10 minutes is great, but if you're using <80 stamina you wouldn't have used otherwise (if you have to use one more ED for every 500 additional rounds), it's quite bad. Better to get both artifacts and crystals through plain GF.
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Okay, sounds good. Is 1h melee better with light or heavy armor, or is it just preference?
Past 150, light armor is probably a little easier because monsters hit hard and heavy armor has no Resist (you'd get Sparked by many high difficulty Sprite/Celestial SP attacks), but before then, you can probably use either with no trouble.

But past 200-something (235? 250?), you'll have enough levels in Spirit Shield and innate tankyness from level scaling that defense is no longer a huge issue, which means that giving up on leather's Resist in exchange for Power's ADB is a good option.
QUOTE(TrisserT @ Jan 17 2016, 23:46) *
Also, are regen and protection both worth using or stick to one of them/neither? Thanks for your responses to my last few questions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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use the self-buffing spells
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post Jan 18 2016, 02:20
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QUOTE(TrisserT @ Jan 18 2016, 00:46) *

Is 1h melee better with light or heavy armor, or is it just preference?

at the start, with Leather. this is because you need defense more than offense, and Heavy is weak against magic attacks. it will also allow you to re-use the Leather set you're already using for 2H or DW
past a certain level (250 or so?) you will need more offense, and your toughness will be better because stats will scale a lot and powerful defensive spells/abilities will be unlocked. at this point you'd better switch to Power armors.
either way, you're still in the range in which 2H may be a good choice. 1H needs 200 prof to be actually good, so you'd better start using it around lv180 or so. but only a personal suggestion here, if you want to be a tank with a shield from the start cannot be helped. it will work anyways.

QUOTE(TrisserT @ Jan 18 2016, 00:46) *

Also, are regen and protection both worth using or stick to one of them/neither?

yep, definitely useful. they should be up all the time. and if you didn't do it yet, spend a few APs to unlock Spike Shield. it won't change your life, but still good and almost free

QUOTE(formigao @ Jan 18 2016, 00:52) *

Xp per minute is a better measure i think.
SG arena you mean End of Day and Eternal Darkness?

i really don't like to do it.. boss every round after 50 +- take too much time to finish.

i'm only farming T&T every day.

End of Days, Eternal Darkness and Dance with Dragons. if you don't like those two, you will surely hate the last one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Jan 18 2016, 02:34
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QUOTE(Logii @ Jan 17 2016, 22:36) *

Well, if the script is accurate, it is very close to 50% at least for me. I can't remember the exact EXP I usually gain in T&T, but it is between 125M and 135M EXP. I can check it tomorrow though if I remember, cleared my T&T for today already. There is always some variability in EXP gains though, since monsters are different every time.

Here are the results:
3,395 turns (3.08 t/s)
18 m 23 s
141,223,109 exp
11,730 credits

So it's ~140M EXP in T&T compared to ~265M EXP in DwD, which it actually over 50% of the DwD EXP. I think I'm one level higher now than I was when doing the DwD, so that affects a little. I would say DwD is still nowhere near 3x of the EXP compared to T&T.
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post Jan 18 2016, 02:39
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 18 2016, 01:19) *

Yuck. I just looked at doing the first and second SG arenas for trophies, and it's quite bad. Assuming you play them on Normal (since higher difficulties drastically increase SG HP while only dropping same amount of trophies), the stamina cost is nearly equal to the revenue. Average: 23 SG trophies, 5 boss trophies, comes out to a bit more than 20k. Credit income: 10k-15k. Crystals are nonexistent, and artifacts are unlikely for similar reasons (few monsters, and 10% trophy drop comes before other drop rolls). Average artifacts: even with high training, probably not more than 0.7 = 12k. Income: 36k + artifacts. Cost: 235 rounds * 150c/round + repair costs = 36k.

Yeah, the first two SG arenas are shit if you just want to get trophies (well, there are more SGs in DwD than in all the other arenas combined, so that's to be expected).
And eternal darkness is shit in general (does not give much EXP, lots of round, slow, etc etc).

Done T&T after dawn, 638793003 EXP, I'll do DwD tomorrow, but I'm sure I saw more than double (I hope it was not my imagination (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif))

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post Jan 18 2016, 03:24
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QUOTE(formigao @ Jan 17 2016, 23:52) *
Xp per minute is a better measure i think.
SG arena you mean End of Day and Eternal Darkness?

i really don't like to do it.. boss every round after 50 +- take too much time to finish.
Yep. They're just not worth it, except on Normal, but even that's only OK if you have stamina you wouldn't use otherwise.

IMO. As you can see others think differently (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Jan 18 2016, 00:09) *
Well, New Wings and below arenas give very crappy XP per rounds and per time, so I would not entirely discard SG arenas.
I would rank them something like this:
The Trio and the Tree
To Kill a God
Eve of Death
A Dance with Dragons - End of Days
[...]
I'm ranking End of Days with DwD because my personal best clear time is ~13 minutes, which is not bad (T&T is ~9), EXP should be similar to T&T (maybe a little more), with 10 more rounds.
And you get some trophies.
Some I just did:

2,366,121,718 XP from DwD, 1098 sec (2.7 t/sec, 2.2m xp/sec)
1,108,637,439 XP from Eternal Darkness, 713 sec (2.9 t/sec, 1.6m xp/sec)
1,216,082,986 XP from End of Days, 504 sec (2.8 t/sec, 2.4m xp/sec)

1,055,227,659 XP from To Kill a God, 244 sec (1.8 t/sec, 4.3m xp/sec)
709,616,254 XP from New Wings, 187 sec (2 t/sec, 3.8m xp/sec)
664,921,482 XP from Sealed Power, 181 sec (2 t/sec, 3.7m xp/sec)
614,942,014 XP from Exile, 186 sec (1.9 t/sec, 3.3m xp/sec)
530,562,161 XP from Dreamfall, 180 sec (1.9 t/sec, 2.9m xp/sec)

476,300,442 XP from round 1-57 of GF, 194 sec (1.8 t/sec, 2.5m xp/sec)

This is with mage. Maybe melee is different, but from what I remember, the distribution of time ratio isn't that different.
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post Jan 18 2016, 03:56
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 17 2016, 23:24) *

Yep. They're just not worth it, except on Normal, but even that's only OK if you have stamina you wouldn't use otherwise.

IMO. As you can see others think differently (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Some I just did:

2,366,121,718 XP from DwD, 1098 sec (2.7 t/sec, 2.2m xp/sec)
1,108,637,439 XP from Eternal Darkness, 713 sec (2.9 t/sec, 1.6m xp/sec)
1,216,082,986 XP from End of Days, 504 sec (2.8 t/sec, 2.4m xp/sec)

1,055,227,659 XP from To Kill a God, 244 sec (1.8 t/sec, 4.3m xp/sec)
709,616,254 XP from New Wings, 187 sec (2 t/sec, 3.8m xp/sec)
664,921,482 XP from Sealed Power, 181 sec (2 t/sec, 3.7m xp/sec)
614,942,014 XP from Exile, 186 sec (1.9 t/sec, 3.3m xp/sec)
530,562,161 XP from Dreamfall, 180 sec (1.9 t/sec, 2.9m xp/sec)

476,300,442 XP from round 1-57 of GF, 194 sec (1.8 t/sec, 2.5m xp/sec)

This is with mage. Maybe melee is different, but from what I remember, the distribution of time ratio isn't that different.



This info should be put on the wiki.
very useful
so second your test the best Xp for time spent is:

1- To Kill a God, 244 sec (1.8 t/sec, 4.3m xp/sec)
2- New Wings, 187 sec (2 t/sec, 3.8m xp/sec)
3- Sealed Power, 181 sec (2 t/sec, 3.7m xp/sec)
4- Exile, 186 sec (1.9 t/sec, 3.3m xp/sec)
5- Dreamfall, 180 sec (1.9 t/sec, 2.9m xp/sec)
6- End of Days, 504 sec (2.8 t/sec, 2.4m xp/sec)
7- DwD, 1098 sec (2.7 t/sec, 2.2m xp/sec)


do you have the info for The Trio and the Tree to make it more complete ?
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post Jan 18 2016, 04:20
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question about imperil.

is imperil single target ?

tried weaken, it only weaken 1 target.
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post Jan 18 2016, 04:25
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Jan 18 2016, 02:20) *
question about imperil.

is imperil single target ?

tried weaken, it only weaken 1 target.
Mages have abilities to improve their spells just like melee.

Max 3 targets with Better Imperil.
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post Jan 18 2016, 05:58
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I started using scripts, is there any recommendations? Like something so good that is a waste to not use it. I have RE from Superlatanium and a couple more
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post Jan 18 2016, 06:35
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 18 2016, 08:24) *

Yep. They're just not worth it, except on Normal, but even that's only OK if you have stamina you wouldn't use otherwise.

IMO. As you can see others think differently (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Some I just did:

2,366,121,718 XP from DwD, 1098 sec (2.7 t/sec, 2.2m xp/sec)
1,108,637,439 XP from Eternal Darkness, 713 sec (2.9 t/sec, 1.6m xp/sec)
1,216,082,986 XP from End of Days, 504 sec (2.8 t/sec, 2.4m xp/sec)

1,055,227,659 XP from To Kill a God, 244 sec (1.8 t/sec, 4.3m xp/sec)
709,616,254 XP from New Wings, 187 sec (2 t/sec, 3.8m xp/sec)
664,921,482 XP from Sealed Power, 181 sec (2 t/sec, 3.7m xp/sec)
614,942,014 XP from Exile, 186 sec (1.9 t/sec, 3.3m xp/sec)
530,562,161 XP from Dreamfall, 180 sec (1.9 t/sec, 2.9m xp/sec)

476,300,442 XP from round 1-57 of GF, 194 sec (1.8 t/sec, 2.5m xp/sec)

This is with mage. Maybe melee is different, but from what I remember, the distribution of time ratio isn't that different.


wow , your DwD exp only is much higher than my whole arenas exp , super (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)


I only got around 1,4M exp from all arenas in PFU everyday with normal stamina (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

maybe I should invest more monies into exp related things (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)



QUOTE(karyl123 @ Jan 18 2016, 09:20) *

question about imperil.

is imperil single target ?

tried weaken, it only weaken 1 target.


depre prof elu berapa ?

imperil max hit tuh 3 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


QUOTE(Vanz/452 @ Jan 18 2016, 10:58) *

I started using scripts, is there any recommendations? Like something so good that is a waste to not use it. I have RE from Superlatanium and a couple more
Thanks in advance!


HV item manager by HD
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dan31 reloader for firefox

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post Jan 18 2016, 07:17
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HV item manager by HD
sssss2 scripts in his signature
dan31 reloader for firefox
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But sssss2 signature has nothing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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But sssss2 signature has nothing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

err , than you must ask him yourself for the link (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

he have some good scipts (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

or just try to find it in his WTS shop post (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Jan 18 2016, 08:06
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Does playing on a higher difficulty affect proficiency?
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post Jan 18 2016, 08:39
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Jan 18 2016, 03:03) *

Just did pfudor dwd, got shitty magnificent drop, wasted almost 100 minutes. Boring and tedious crap :<
But overall exp was pretty good at least.

How difficult was it? Tempted to try pfu dwd as a mage, since i haven't.

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post Jan 18 2016, 09:04
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Does playing on a higher difficulty affect proficiency?
No.
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thankyou, changing route to 1h holy mage.
mon can be evaded, parried, blocked, and stunned. no worry for incoming damage.


That should be ok with imperil, but mp problem becomes even bigger. Maybe possibly to fix with battlecaster 1-2 suffixes.
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