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post Jan 12 2016, 23:45
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 13 2016, 08:42) *

The higher level arenas are the best: the 100-round to the ~65-round arenas give more XP per stamina than grindfest, and the 100-round to the 55-round arenas give more XP per monster than grindfest.

DwD gives far more XP per monster than anything else (more than double the total XP of Trio), but it also takes significantly more time. The other two schoolgirl arenas aren't worth it for XP or income except on Normal to Hard.

If your only goal is XP per time, and you have some funds (which I assume you do due to your star), if I were you, save up so you can switch to mage as soon as possible. Even on low difficulty, a well equipped mage will be getting far more XP per turn than melee on PF (no Imperil). Or you might try being a guinea pig and test the 1h + mage method, as discussed some pages back, it may be the best option for a medium-level aspiring mage, and you might be able to play Nintendo or IWBTH once you get to 310 (if you have the equipment to back it up).


I have been wanting to go mage but i cant decide which type of mage as in which element i think i have enough funds for a decent mage set (around 24m)

The stuff you said about the different elements went right above my head ( i have no idea about the mage playstyle also which is better solely for fast exp non-imperil (holy/dark) or imperil (other Elements)

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post Jan 13 2016, 00:02
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 12 2016, 22:42) *

Even on low difficulty, a well equipped mage will be getting far more XP per turn than melee on PF (no Imperil).

Mind explaining what makes mages earn more XP than other fighting styles?
I can't find the reason why

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post Jan 13 2016, 00:17
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 12 2016, 21:39) *

well, currently at 976 items (950 or so after the auction), so it doesn't require so much time before i'll discover it myself. but either not being able to catch obsoletes that i paid for or the random deletion of something, like it happened a couple of years ago (which with my luck will obviously mean a trimmed piece (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) ) aren't that nice of options...

alright, there's an answer. there's a hard restriction, so you cannot even accept more items. no deletions or similar. items in MM will remain in MM. it simply means you have to choose what to keep and whatnot.
not a clue on what happened to those *had* a bigger inventory at the moment the patch was released, but not so important i guess

either way, many thanks to superlatanium for the help (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jan 13 2016, 00:19
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QUOTE(FabulousCupcake @ Jan 13 2016, 01:02) *

Mind explaining what makes mages earn more XP than other fighting styles?
I can't find the reason why


Clearspeed i think. Good holy mage can clear whole hellfest in ~40 minutes.
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post Jan 13 2016, 00:20
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Is this shield worth soulfusing and/or IWing?
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post Jan 13 2016, 00:23
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jan 13 2016, 09:19) *

Clearspeed i think. Good holy mage can clear whole hellfest in ~40 minutes.


How much would it cost to purchase a full mag holy set.

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post Jan 13 2016, 00:23
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QUOTE(alfikbecik @ Jan 12 2016, 23:20) *

Is this shield worth soulfusing and/or IWing?

i'd say yes
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post Jan 13 2016, 00:48
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QUOTE(DrasticMeasures @ Jan 12 2016, 21:45) *
I have been wanting to go mage but i cant decide which type of mage as in which element i think i have enough funds for a decent mage set (around 24m)

The stuff you said about the different elements went right above my head ( i have no idea about the mage playstyle also which is better solely for fast exp non-imperil (holy/dark) or imperil (other Elements)
That's the big question, and it depends on how fast you can potentially Imperil things. If you have dexterous fingers (or a slower connection where hover Spellspam won't work well), Imperil on IWBTH and then PFUDOR at (max) 2 turns/sec is best; 20 * 2 XP ratio per sec; otherwise, with a fast connection and non-dexterous fingers, or without the will to play with concentration, play without Imperil on Hell at (max) 3 turns/sec; 6 * 3 XP ratio per sec.

If you use Imperil, use elemental. Otherwise, use Holy/Dark. Holy/Dark may be significantly more difficulty due to longer cast time and your low level, I'm not sure perks would make up for it unless you have many.

But you don't need to be as rich as LongLiveNorthUnion for low-level mage to be playable, don't worry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
QUOTE(FabulousCupcake @ Jan 12 2016, 22:02) *
Mind explaining what makes mages earn more XP than other fighting styles?
I can't find the reason why
Melee has low clearspeed. Even 2h's clearspeed is poor compared to beginner mage.
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How much would it cost to purchase a full mag holy set.
Not much - less than 2m for all armor - not many value Mag much, though finding one that exists close enough to your level in the first place could be difficult.
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post Jan 13 2016, 01:09
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Holy/Dark may be significantly more difficulty due to longer cast time and your low level, I'm not sure perks would make up for it unless you have many

Should i take this as i should'nt go holy at low level?
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post Jan 13 2016, 01:53
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Should i take this as i should'nt go holy at low level?
You could, it would just be more difficult / you might have to lower the difficulty more than you'd do otherwise. Probably. But once you get started, you should be able to gain levels pretty quickly, making the higher cast speed less of a disadvantage.
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post Jan 13 2016, 02:28
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It just clicked; spells hit multiple targets when cast.

At what level is it generally recommended to switch to a mage?
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post Jan 13 2016, 03:02
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QUOTE(FabulousCupcake @ Jan 13 2016, 01:28) *

It just clicked; spells hit multiple targets when cast.

At what level is it generally recommended to switch to a mage?


310, beacause of maxed imperil.
Well, I personally changed to mage on 90 lvl and I regret nothing. But hitting 310 was a fucking blessing.

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post Jan 13 2016, 03:10
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Is this a good staff for holy mage Legendary Hallowed Katalox Staff of the Heaven-sent? or would of Destruction be better

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post Jan 13 2016, 03:14
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QUOTE(FabulousCupcake @ Jan 13 2016, 00:28) *
It just clicked; spells hit multiple targets when cast.

At what level is it generally recommended to switch to a mage?
It's up to personal preference and how much attention you want to pay, but otherwise, after 270 and before 350.
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Is this a good staff for holy mage Legendary Hallowed Katalox Staff of the Heaven-sent?
Looks fine.
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post Jan 13 2016, 03:18
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QUOTE(DrasticMeasures @ Jan 13 2016, 02:10) *

Is this a good staff for holy mage Legendary Hallowed Katalox Staff of the Heaven-sent? or would of Destruction be better

nice IW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jan 13 2016, 03:18
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 13 2016, 12:14) *
Looks fine.


But is it worth 8m
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post Jan 13 2016, 03:19
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 13 2016, 12:18) *

nice IW (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

i was under the impression Arcmage and Penetrator was the best?
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QUOTE(DrasticMeasures @ Jan 13 2016, 02:19) *

i was under the impression Arcmage and Penetrator was the best?

CR is good for every mage. and for Holy/Dark - which have higher mana cost - Economizer is nice as well. the aftermath in using this staff (which has low MDB and high prof) is probably that you are almost forced to use a 5 Phase build. or maybe to look for a couple of Radiant.

but i'm not that much of an expert, tbh (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Jan 13 2016, 03:37
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But is it worth 8m
That price sounds like it's on the high end. MDB is quite low for 0.82+ L-grade, right? But at least EDB and prof are good.

I think the real issue for the price is its level. Matching L-grade staffs are quite uncommon below 400, and so one at 386 could be considered rare enough to be worth pricing high in a shop. Maybe.

The seller might also be considering IW. Penetrator is good, especially on PF (if you get around to PF arenas), but I think Eco is not, at least not in terms of its near-invisible effect on credits/turn.

Maybe shop around more, see if there are any other matching L-grade holy staffs, and check their level and price. They may be better or cheaper, or they may not.

Archmage is good on forged Destruction staffs, and for no-Imperil styles in general, but undesirable on non-Destruction staffs.
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post Jan 13 2016, 03:46
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 13 2016, 12:37) *

That price sounds like it's on the high end. MDB is quite low for 0.82+ L-grade, right? But at least EDB and prof are good.

I think the real issue for the price is its level. Matching L-grade staffs are quite uncommon below 400, and so one at 386 could be considered rare enough to be worth pricing high in a shop. Maybe.

The seller might also be considering IW. Penetrator is good, especially on PF (if you get around to PF arenas), but I think Eco is not, at least not in terms of its near-invisible effect on credits/turn.

Maybe shop around more, see if there are any other matching L-grade holy staffs, and check their level and price. They may be better or cheaper, or they may not.

Archmage is good on forged Destruction staffs, and for no-Imperil styles in general, but undesirable on non-Destruction staffs.

Thank you for the Info also which staff type is best suited to holy. katalox, oak etc?

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