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post Jan 3 2016, 01:02
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QUOTE(formigao @ Jan 2 2016, 23:55) *

about the 1h i already received this advice in other topic i made.
the problem is that i need to find a good rapier... for now the club is the best i have. but im looking for a good rapier to change at max lvl 200.

oh, to start even an Exq with STR/DEX or DEX/AGI may be enough, as long as it has a prefix. there will be plenty of time to upgrade.

QUOTE(formigao @ Jan 2 2016, 23:55) *

my gear is mostly lvl 135.

which means something like 25~30% loss on your main stats, continuously growing. look for some 4PABs Leathers, possibly with Protection suffix. quality Exq+. shouldn't be too hard to find
oh, and Reinforced prefix, still if possible (this may be a bit less easy)

QUOTE(formigao @ Jan 2 2016, 23:55) *

about my stats distribution... i'm doing it right ?

yep.

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post Jan 3 2016, 01:06
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which means something like 25~30% loss on your main stats, continuously growing
If I had to start from level 1 again I'd probably disregard quality entirely and just switch out for new Averages every 15 levels or so. Even vaguely usable Superiors may be more trouble to find than they're worth, under a certain level, and even if they're found they'll likely become as bad as Averages in just a couple levels.
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post Jan 3 2016, 01:11
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So, I play arenas on hell(too many cures on nintendo) and lvl up pretty fast. I think my gears are too low lvl, but I don't know if I should soulfuse them or search something better to buy. I have 600k credits.
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post Jan 3 2016, 01:29
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QUOTE(alfikbecik @ Jan 2 2016, 23:11) *
So, I play arenas on hell(too many cures on nintendo) and lvl up pretty fast. I think my gears are too low lvl, but I don't know if I should soulfuse them or search something better to buy. I have 600k credits.
Your Exq Power Slaughter gauntlets are 3 PAB and ADB S-2.54. For someone under level 350, that is great - go ahead and soulfuse if you have any fragments, Exq doesn't cost many fragments anyway. You may also wish to IW a bit of Juggernaut - IW the first level and keep reforging until you get Juggernaut, and once you get it, continue IWing to level 4 or until you get bored. (Or you might send it to someone to IW it for you before you soulfuse.) Either way, it's well worth using for at least 100 levels or more, so don't feel bad about investing a bit into it.

Your rapier is non-prefixed and is too far below your level. If you can find a prefixed rapier of Slaughter or Nimble with Dex, even if only Exq, it's worth soulfusing (and perhaps IWing to 10). Weapons benefit from soulfusing quite a lot, so don't worry even if its overall quality is unimpressive.

If you're OK with playing only on Hell, then you can stick with the rest of your gears for now if you want. Non-Slaughter Power from 0.81 has significantly worse ADB than those from 0.82+, but if you're only on Hell it's not like great stats or defense matters much, and Power is better than non-Power regardless of equip level if you don't Cure often. But once the other priorities are out of the way, look for 0.82+ Power anything (especially Protection), they'll give you a massive ADB boost over 0.81 Power. Decent quality Power Slaughter is probably too pricey for you right now, but non-Slaughter 0.82 Power is affordable and will still be a nice upgrade.
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post Jan 3 2016, 01:35
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 3 2016, 00:06) *

If I had to start from level 1 again I'd probably disregard quality entirely and just switch out for new Averages every 15 levels or so. Even vaguely usable Superiors may be more trouble to find than they're worth, under a certain level, and even if they're found they'll likely become as bad as Averages in just a couple levels.

yep.

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- snip -

start drop some EXP on AGI and INT, they will increase your SP tank
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post Jan 3 2016, 01:38
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 3 2016, 00:29) *

Your rapier is non-prefixed and is too far below your level. If you can find a prefixed rapier of Slaughter or Nimble with Dex, even if only Exq, it's worth soulfusing (and perhaps IWing to 10). Weapons benefit from soulfusing quite a lot, so don't worry even if its overall quality is unimpressive.

What about this one?
QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 3 2016, 00:29) *
If you're OK with playing only on Hell, then you can stick with the rest of your gears for now if you want. Non-Slaughter Power from 0.81 has significantly worse ADB than those from 0.82+, but if you're only on Hell it's not like great stats or defense matters much, and Power is better than non-Power regardless of equip level if you don't Cure often. But once the other priorities are out of the way, look for 0.82+ Power anything (especially Protection), they'll give you a massive ADB boost over 0.81 Power. Decent quality Power Slaughter is probably too pricey for you right now, but non-Slaughter 0.82 Power is affordable and will still be a nice upgrade.

To be honest I though I will be able to play on higher difficulties after 285 lvl and maxed spirit shield.
So I will search for better armor. What about shield?

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 3 2016, 00:35) *

start drop some EXP on AGI and INT, they will increase your SP tank

Thanks. AGI about 1/4 exp cost of other stats and INT about 1/8 will be alright?

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post Jan 3 2016, 01:56
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Legendary Mithril Plate Helmet of Deflection from a RE hehe
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post Jan 3 2016, 02:14
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QUOTE(alfikbecik @ Jan 2 2016, 23:38) *
What about this one?
Consider the suffix completely wasted. But, looking at equipment ranges:

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Equipment_Ranges#Rapier

Yours has 34.36 base ADB, which is equivalent to Smax Rapier of Slaughter ADB, and is middle-of-the-road for Exquisite Rapier of Slaughter ADB, but yours also has L-tier stats everywhere else. If you have the fragments, go for it - that's the only downside.

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Has anyone else ever seen this?

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I swear I didn't alter anything. Tanaka You gave me two drops.
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post Jan 3 2016, 02:23
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I just finished PF DWD for the first time. What is better, Godslayer or Dovahkiin?
I play 1h Heavy and even with godslayer, my evade is only 2%. I don't grind too much. I mostly just do a few arenas each day on various difficulties and try to get as many PF RE as possible.
Also, all that work, and all I got was this Mag Cloth
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post Jan 3 2016, 02:36
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QUOTE(Acer37 @ Jan 3 2016, 00:23) *
I just finished PF DWD for the first time. What is better, Godslayer or Dovahkiin?
I play 1h Heavy and even with godslayer, my evade is only 2%. I don't grind too much. I mostly just do a few arenas each day on various difficulties and try to get as many PF RE as possible.
Also, all that work, and all I got was this Mag Cloth
Godslayer always, except for players with very unusual playstyles who want to exchange OC for stun defense.
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post Jan 3 2016, 02:38
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Jan 3 2016, 03:14) *

Has anyone else ever seen this?


Dont know, im using no popup. But maybe because fest has "double" crystals chance then its simple 2 rolls?
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post Jan 3 2016, 02:55
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 2 2016, 21:02) *

oh, to start even an Exq with STR/DEX or DEX/AGI may be enough, as long as it has a prefix. there will be plenty of time to upgrade.
which means something like 25~30% loss on your main stats, continuously growing. look for some 4PABs Leathers, possibly with Protection suffix. quality Exq+. shouldn't be too hard to find
oh, and Reinforced prefix, still if possible (this may be a bit less easy)
yep.


thanks

just to know what is PABs ?

also how necessary is a weapon be ethereal ?

since you said interference is not a big problem.. any reason to use etheral weapons at all ? the add very little burden and interference.

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post Jan 3 2016, 03:02
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jan 3 2016, 00:38) *
Dont know, im using no popup. But maybe because fest has "double" crystals chance then its simple 2 rolls?
I thought of that, but I've never ever seen it before, and I sometimes have nopopup disabled. If there were 2 rolls we could expect to see it (extra roll ~= 25%) * (dropChanceNonEquipment ~= 25% * crystalRoll ~= 35%) = 25% * 8.75% = 2% per dead monster = once every 6-7 rounds. But that is not the case.

Could it have something to do with the fact that Tanaka is mine? Sounds very very strange, but it's the only other factor that has a similarly minuscule chance of happening, so I think there might be a correlation.
QUOTE(formigao @ Jan 3 2016, 00:55) *
thanks

just to know what is PABs ?

also how necessary is a weapon be ethereal ?

since you said interference is not a big problem.. any reason to use etheral weapons at all ? the add very little burden and interference.
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/Acronyms

Ethereal is a little nice, but if you IW to 10 (which you probably should do or get someone else to do for you if you're going to soulfuse), it's not necessary at all. As you said, the added interference/burden is small for rapiers.
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post Jan 3 2016, 04:19
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Jan 3 2016, 06:03) *

you wouldn't do it.
reaching 350 lv within 6 months is nothing unheard of. maybe he only started with decent gears from FS or other free shops, and this allowed him to play at higher difficulties - it's already enough to cut leveling time by a whole lot.

I started off with this (which i found off the bazaar, decided to soulfuse and upgrade it pretty early on too) and a Mag Force-Shield gift from jacquelope. Not to mention, god knows why people were bazaaring off level unassigned sup/exq power slaughter equipment, so i had my fill. e.g. My old helmet, old leggings.

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I guess i had a pretty good start.

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post Jan 3 2016, 04:25
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I won't be using it for a good while yet as niten gives no proficiency, but If I ever get there and if so find it not particularly bad my intention was to go niten in the late game;

Presuming I intend to raise it to increase the potency, is this a good off hander?

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=629817e1e8

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post Jan 3 2016, 04:29
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Rapier main hand case
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Unlocked innate potential: Butcher Level 1
Should I keep going and pray for Fatality or AS and try to start with it?
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post Jan 3 2016, 04:39
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QUOTE(Vanz/452 @ Jan 3 2016, 02:29) *
Rapier main hand case
Unlocked innate potential: Butcher Level 2
Unlocked innate potential: Butcher Level 1
Should I keep going and pray for Fatality or AS and try to start with it?
I'm pretty sure AS is next to useless for everyone except for those relying on FRD to survive, and for those who have to cure so often that the Cure/Fullcure cooldown is an important factor.

Regardless, shards are expensive, and Butcher is quite useful, even if Fatality is somewhat better. I'd only reforge after getting an undesirable potency like OP or SS (and if you haven't gotten to, say, level 6 already). Striving for perfection is shard-expensive, time-consuming, and has very little impact on clear speed compared to just plain getting level 10.
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post Jan 3 2016, 05:01
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jan 1 2016, 23:29) *

But what you mean by average damage? For spell? You need to know resist, after that count all types of reduction, multiply on spell damage and and sum each case.
I was referring to this:
QUOTE(nec1986 @ Dec 31 2015, 22:18) *

Also its not only hp, but more like hp+mmi+resist also. Base stats isnt problem, but we dont know about training. I think its possibly to check as average damage. We know base damage of spells, so to get something like:
Monster №1. Appear 10 times, average damage is (7x7,5+8x6+21x4,5)/10
And use 75 mitg reduction for only defense check. So we get some type of rating who is important and with chance of appearing we can judge how each individual monster affect whole run.

But its very complicated stuff, i have this idea very long time and dont check because its very time consuming. Much easier to look on practice how it goes.


I can scan the monster HP, and whether my spell was resisted. But there are other variances in damage, and so mmi might not really be visible.



QUOTE(nec1986 @ Jan 2 2016, 06:51) *

Not, but you might prefer even higher prof for sg. Also prof gives many bonuses, but its a bit different story. I was curios about no imperil pf when i did sg, but thats probably doesnt work well. Thats ok against weak monsters and they die fast, but once tanky comes its very long fight. Well, in numbers its quite simple:

1600pl giant at 450lvl with max training has 228k hp and almost 76% mmi. Its equal to 946k base damage from spells. After 1,1-1,5 turns on imperil (depends on depr counter-resist) it becomes 367k. Even with 30k magic score T3 hits for ~280k base damage. So imperil in few times better than even T3. That strategy has sense only for low diff, on high diff monsters is usually tanky enough.


QUOTE(simrock87 @ Jan 2 2016, 07:21) *

Example, i'm gonna take my favorite Monster Kodou Yuki with about 125k HP and Sssss2 with about 85k HP.
Next, i'll just check for Fire res, since it's assumed to be the worst right now. I'll also just assume, that everything
is fully chaosed, as we don't have any information regarding chaos trainings. This puts MMI to 20%, or 0.2 (Important for
Imperil). KY has 75% Fire SMI, S has 28% Fire SMI.


nec1986 assumed MMI=76% while you assumed it to be 20%. Which is right?

QUOTE(simrock87 @ Jan 2 2016, 07:21) *

Resulting from 2) the Imperil strategy should be to reduce the highest EH target as much as possible (basically, just
Imperil anyway, the rest is passive), then get the rest of the enemies inside the damage range that kills the highest EH
target (in the example from above KY needs 2 casts fully debuffed, so every other monster should have 200k EH or less).


That's a nice idea. How would we apply this Imperil strategy since we don't know their Mmi/resist?
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Jan 2 2016, 18:19) *

I started off with this (which i found off the bazaar, decided to soulfuse and upgrade it pretty early on too) and a Mag Force-Shield gift from jacquelope. Not to mention, god knows why people were bazaaring off level unassigned sup/exq power slaughter equipment, so i had my fill.
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I guess i had a pretty good start.

Yup, I would be way ahead of where I am now if I didn't have a family to look after. Dawn of New Day happens right at 4pm here (5pm in the summer) - the worst possible time of the day to try and kick off Arena runs. (I'm sure I'm not the only one for whom 4-5pm is the busiest time of the family day, no?) Plus the sheer tedium has driven me to avoid HV about half of the time I've been a member of this site.

If it weren't for this Nuclear weapon in sword form (donated to me by the coolest HV player evar), though, I dunno if I'd have even gotten this far.
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post Jan 3 2016, 07:05
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Do etheral weaps have lower rolls?

Im seeing this
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=3c70e3c2ad

according to the wiki it should have a dmg base of at least 29, but i see the base as 26?

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