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Spirit shield?

And you should get some more end, koudesu. It increases defense. Might be why you're getting hit so "hard" in the higher difficulties

I have NO IDEA how to use that thing. Seriously. It drains my mana when set on autocast and it does not protect me from the "oh my two giants and an elemental just threw dem spells at me" when I am being hit for 1130+1130+1130 hp. Yeah, SpShield just absorbed up to 600-800 dmg per every of these hits, right. I am still dead though.
And Spark never fails.

Dont forget that you're Kevlar-user. Your phys. mitigation is excellent. I am a Shade-user, my mitigation is pretty low (25,2/21% physical and 31,3/19,3% magical). Instead of that I have 24,6% evade, 17,2% parry (with 2hander) and 50,8% resist chances.

Well, I have 67.5/34.7% Physical and 40.9/21.4% Magical right now, 18.1% Evade, 17.3% Parry and 31.9% Resist (plus 26.2% Block). Maybe you need to try Kevlar (at least 1 or 2 pieces in lieu thereof Shade)? 'Cause your Evade is not so much higher than mine, and some additional physical protection won't be bad.

This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: Aug 18 2011, 01:11

@ MiAla

- Plan to go with maging soon?

- Bleed weapon and a (very) fast character is like oil and water; unless you applied some kind of mojo or trick to it, they just don't mix well, or simply not at all.

- Melee using non-piercing type weapons need high amount of attack rating. I have more STR than you when I was lv. 160 ... I'm not kidding.

- There's a higher bleed Scythe. (base bleed = 30)

- Shadow Veil helps...

@ MiAla

- Plan to go with maging soon?

- Bleed weapon and a (very) fast character is like oil and water; unless you applied some kind of mojo or trick to it, they just don't mix well, or simply not at all.

- Melee using non-piercing type weapons need high amount of attack rating. I have more STR than you when I was lv. 160 ... I'm not kidding.

- There's a higher bleed Scythe. (base bleed = 30)

- Shadow Veil helps...

I tried to fight my way through an Endgame arena with holy-based equip. Either I was doing something really wrong or I was doing something really wrong. Yes, the damage of Pestilence+Banish combo was far beyond my melee-build damage (about 4-8k noncrits, dependant on enemy type, I even scored a few 15-16k blasts on obviously Undead enemies), but my mana costs were TRIPLED compared with 2Hander build. Plus I dont get that Ether theft concept at all. My divine prodiciency was approximately at 100 while my 2H prof. was @ 155 mark. It was obvious that I would not be able to clear any harder arena challenge at all. Assuming all that, I prefer wiping these arenas on Heroic wih 2H than barely surviving them on Hard as a mage.

Ah, as for that "bleed+action speed" thingy... I am aware that since I am very fast I hit enemies faster than they do their turn > they suffer from my bleed. That is not very bad, actually. Non-resistant-to-melee-enemies go down within one or two well-placed sweeps. Also, assuming I am faster than they are and I often do 2 moves instead of 1 I also profit from 2 Regen ticks instead of one. It is bad @ early stages, but it is god daym awesome on the last ones.

Why would I need STR? Why would I need a lot of Overcharge? I only experience problems with heavily-armored enemies, and it does not really matter much if you hit them for 200 or 300 damage when your bleed ticks for 1200+. Or is there any other reason I should consider leveling up my STR/DEX?

I would be oh-sp-very-glad if someone would offer me a perfect-bleed weapon with 5 turns @ my level (preferably item level 300+). ADM/hit stats are useless for me.

Shadow veil is an option, yes, but I will probably set it on autocast when I'll get a third Innate Arcana slot.




Forgot to mention, high action speed allows me to apply bleed on every possible enemy as fast as I can. Call it "mojo" if you want :3

This post has been edited by MiAla: Aug 18 2011, 01:24

Spirit Shield + Shadow Veil goes a long way. I don't even know what it's like to die anymore because of those two with Regen 2. If you're going high evade shade, you best be using SV. And does the scythe kill faster than estoc? I remember you bought a pretty high ADM estoc off me a while back, though you outgrew it.

Think buktore is right. Faster action speed + bleed isn't a bad thing, but it isn't a *good* thing since they're not synergistic. Sure you get 2x chance of bleed, but there's almost 0 compatibility between the two and arguably, you're not maximizing the potential benefit of your action speed.

e: honestly if you're planning on bleeding everything - you need a kevlar set or some sort of mitigation stacking. Because you're literally waiting for them to die rather than trying to kill them.

This post has been edited by dcherry: Aug 18 2011, 01:37

Isn't the Shadow Veil bonus added multiplicatively?
Some more points in evade would probably go a long way.
24% is kinda low for Shade, unless we're talking about an Arcanist set.

Spirit Shield + Shadow Veil goes a long way. I don't even know what it's like to die anymore because of those two with Regen 2. If you're going high evade shade, you best be using SV. And does the scythe kill faster than estoc? I remember you bought a pretty high ADM estoc off me a while back, though you outgrew it.

Think buktore is right. Faster action speed + bleed isn't a bad thing, but it isn't a *good* thing since they're not synergistic. Sure you get 2x chance of bleed, but there's almost 0 compatibility between the two and arguably, you're not maximizing the potential benefit of your action speed.

e: honestly if you're planning on bleeding everything - you need a kevlar set or some sort of mitigation stacking. Because you're literally waiting for them to die rather than trying to kill them.

To be honest I did not use that estoc ever. Few days after I bought it I lewted an excellent Void rapier and there was no more need for an armor-pen weapon.
High action speed allows me to lasthit those who are about to go agitated and facemelt me. That helps a lot since there are still lots of targets that are not "immune" to melee hits. They go down like flies.
Gear-wise... If only I had a choice. My equipment is pretty crappy, since its mostly "of Negation". I tried to assemble a set of Arcanist pieces to remove as much interference as I could but so far no good.
Head
Chest
Hands
Pants
and Boots
Obviously, the only somewhat good ones are chest+gloves, leggings might be not bad aswell but still... Nowhere near full-Fleet/full-Arcanist indeed.


One more thing about the estoc vs scythe: I need to keep hitting dem targets with an Estoc, but I only need to score a proc on them when I'm using Scythe. When its 9 of enemies Im facing, it takes me from 3 to 5 turns to s;ash and wound them all to death, except for those bosses.

This post has been edited by MiAla: Aug 18 2011, 02:00

Is Shield worth casting when using shade equipment? Since it's effectiveness is dependent on the Physical Absorption and Mitigation from your equipment right?

Is Shield worth casting when using shade equipment? Since it's effectiveness is dependent on the Physical Absorption and Mitigation from your equipment right?

Idk. I am so very afraid of being nailed even faster without it (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sleep.gif)
Now that you mention it... Yeah, why the heck I am still using Shield if I am not using Heavy for a looong time now~

This post has been edited by MiAla: Aug 18 2011, 02:02

@MiAla it looks as if you're buying shade for the sake of it being shade rather than buying shade for its advantages over other gear. if you address that issue, things might fall into place

@rawr That would depend on your phys mitigation of your gear. Most shade has low phys mitigation and most shade buyers don't care about that stat. Those that did - can make use of shield.

I have a full Fleet-Shadowdancer Shade set and I don't use it because melee sucks. :trollface:

you're buying shade for the sake of it being shade

Precisely =_=

Gaaaawd. I messed up a lot. I did not ever consider buying Kevlar gear, and Hito's auction is already over with all the gear being sold.
F M L!!!

This post has been edited by MiAla: Aug 18 2011, 02:13

Precisely =_=

Gaaaawd. I messed up a lot. I did not ever consider buying Kevlar gear, and Hito's auction is already over with all the gear being sold.
F M L!!!

Well, I have some kevlar I don't use anymore. I can sell it to you if you want.

Superior Kevlar Gauntlets of Dampening
Fair Kevlar Helmet of Warding
Fine Kevlar Leggings of the Thunder-child

This post has been edited by Evil Scorpio: Aug 18 2011, 02:34

Everyone playing melee must read, very carefully, what cmal posted, for his word is true. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

Everyone playing melee must read, very carefully, what cmal posted, for his word is true. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

Nobody remembers my Commandments for Melee Players back when I actually replied seriously in this thread as one of the major melee players.

Only recall you threatening to trample everyone's asses (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Nobody remembers my Commandments for Melee Players back when I actually replied seriously in this thread as one of the major melee players.

that's because you're bronies now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

Everyone playing melee must read, very carefully, what cmal posted, for his word is true. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/faint.gif)

I melee regularly and I don't find it to be too bad. In some scenarios meleeing is actually far superior to maging.

Also, I'm a sad panda that no one finds my monster annoying.

You guys should do your part too; go troll Tenb until he boost melee more. I have done my part in the past year or so...

Additionally, you guys can also troll him to nerf mage as well. :trollface:

Also, I'm a sad panda that no one finds my monster annoying.

Wretched Egg? Oh, it's annoying, allright...

This post has been edited by buktore: Aug 18 2011, 03:00

Additionally, you guys can also troll him to nerf mage as well. :trollface:

Done. It's called the latest patch.

Wretched Egg? Oh, it's annoying, allright...

She's designed to be annoying to both melees and mages alike, but considering the lack of whine on the forums I might need to beef her up some more. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)