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Nov 30 2015, 07:44
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Nekokon
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You should use waki for weapon, since it has lot's of defensive boost (speed/parry) which is the main use of 1h mage style O 3O Your gears level are all really low so the elemental damage boost is lacking too O xO When I said this build doesn't require lot's of investment, I mean you don't have to pay dozens of milions for gears, but at least you should get a decent set around 1-2m to be able to play mage effectively O xO. If you're not looking for specific prefixes like me it's not too hard to get a set from the auctions or shop ` 3`And lighting is recommended since you need extra counter resist/counter evade, and it's effective against high hp monsters (~ O vO)~ Always keep haste on, since the defend boost helps a tons. You're mage, you're supposed to kill them all before they start hitting back (/ ` A')/ QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 30 2015, 00:31)  Magic proficiency training can take a while... From when I started at 0 prof around level 370 I think it took me maybe 10 days to get up to ~340 prof, and that was when I was also occasionally spellspamming in Crude IW for proficiency only. Or has the gain rate been changed? Also, element is extremely important, it's only really interchangable if you don't have any gear yet (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif) If you want to change, then sure, if I were you I'd PM the last bidder. I meant to grind magic proficiency in IW specifically O 3O It took me 2 nights to get from 0 to 250ish, after that I can go straight for arenas and let it grow slowly O 3O And by element I mean the prefixes, sorry for the confusion Q xQ
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Nov 30 2015, 07:52
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izpekopon
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Nov 30 2015, 13:44)  You should use waki for weapon, since it has lot's of defensive boost (speed/parry) which is the main use of 1h mage style O 3O
I don't think attack speed = Casting speed. Correct me if i'm wrong.
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Nov 30 2015, 07:57
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Nov 30 2015, 05:52)  I don't think attack speed = Casting speed. Correct me if i'm wrong. You're right. The benefit of waki is lower burden, lower interference, and higher parry.
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Nov 30 2015, 08:06
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Nekokon
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I think the attack speed in the character page (and from haste/agi/weapon/...) actually means action speed, which should apply to all action including attacking/casting/defending/focusing/... ;and cast speed is another multiplier which applies only to spells on top of the current action speed (since each spell has its own cast speed as stated by the wiki O xO)
I'm not sure if that actually how it works or not, just based on my observation (when I use defend/focus sometime it's done it less than 1 turn, which shouldn't happen without haste because all the default actions have the same speed of 1).
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Nov 30 2015, 09:20
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Nov 30 2015, 06:06)  I think the attack speed in the character page (and from haste/agi/weapon/...) actually means action speed, which should apply to all action including attacking/casting/defending/focusing/... ;and cast speed is another multiplier which applies only to spells on top of the current action speed (since each spell has its own cast speed as stated by the wiki O xO)
I'm not sure if that actually how it works or not, just based on my observation (when I use defend/focus sometime it's done it less than 1 turn, which shouldn't happen without haste because all the default actions have the same speed of 1). Nope. Equipping: 0% attack speed bonus Haste on IA is OFF 3 1 You cast Protection. (Lasts 210 turns) 4 1 You gain the effect Defending. ... 214 7 The effect Protection has expired. Equipping: 42.3% attack speed bonus Haste on IA is OFF 3 1 You cast Protection. (Lasts 210 turns) 4 1 You gain the effect Defending. ... 214 8 The effect Protection has expired. Attack speed only affects physical attack speed - "Attack" action time, nothing else, and cast action time is only affected by Cast Speed (and base action time which is only affected by Haste/scroll). This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Nov 30 2015, 09:23
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Nov 30 2015, 10:17
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Nekokon
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 30 2015, 03:20)  Nope.
Equipping: 0% attack speed bonus Haste on IA is OFF 3 1 You cast Protection. (Lasts 210 turns) 4 1 You gain the effect Defending. ... 214 7 The effect Protection has expired.
Equipping: 42.3% attack speed bonus Haste on IA is OFF 3 1 You cast Protection. (Lasts 210 turns) 4 1 You gain the effect Defending. ... 214 8 The effect Protection has expired.
Attack speed only affects physical attack speed - "Attack" action time, nothing else, and cast action time is only affected by Cast Speed (and base action time which is only affected by Haste/scroll).
The attack speed on character page isn't the same one as haste Q AQ ? I always thought they were added into the same pool Q xQ You can ignore the bonus attack speed from waki then O xOb Oh right, it actually makes more sense that way O xO I forgot DW can get up to 40ish attack speed, it would be overkill if that bonus is applied with haste and cast speed bonus too O xO Dual wielding magic assassin (aka Emiya Shirou style O AO) This post has been edited by Nekokon: Nov 30 2015, 10:23
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Nov 30 2015, 10:27
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Nov 30 2015, 08:17)  The attack speed on character page isn't the same one as haste Q AQ ? I always thought they were added into the same pool Q xQ "Attack speed" => attack speed multiplier (physical attacks), "cast speed" => cast speed multiplier (all spells), haste => base action speed (separate base multiplier, affects everything, including non-attacks and non-casts).
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Nov 30 2015, 11:17
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karyl123
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QUOTE(Fudo Masamune @ Nov 30 2015, 00:47)  sure, cod me as long as the total cost isn't more than 150k (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) duuuuuddeeee you got 90M+ from translating hentai @@
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Nov 30 2015, 11:41
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nec1986
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Somehow "Shomin Sample" becomes quite funny. First episode was bad.. i dont like illogical story, but i decided to give it a try and second was already better. Its not something epic, but quite decent for mainstream genre.
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Nov 30 2015, 11:45
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Drag00noid
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 30 2015, 16:41)  Somehow "Shomin Sample" becomes quite funny. First episode was bad.. i dont like illogical story, but i decided to give it a try and second was already better. Its not something epic, but quite decent for mainstream genre.
wait this thread can be used for posting animus rant? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) i thought it was for Hverse-related talk only lol
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Nov 30 2015, 11:46
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Drag00noid @ Nov 30 2015, 09:45)  wait this thread can be used for posting animus rant? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) i thought it was for Hverse-related talk only lol Sometimes we need a break from the numbers. I like it.
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Nov 30 2015, 11:48
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Nov 30 2015, 09:17)  The attack speed on character page isn't the same one as haste Q AQ ? I always thought they were added into the same pool Q xQ
You can ignore the bonus attack speed from waki then O xOb
Oh right, it actually makes more sense that way O xO I forgot DW can get up to 40ish attack speed, it would be overkill if that bonus is applied with haste and cast speed bonus too O xO Dual wielding magic assassin (aka Emiya Shirou style O AO)
they are added into separate rolls. also, you cannot directly see Haste's effect (just like Protection, Shadow Veil, Heartseeker...) because: 1. they are spells which are valid only while on-combat 2. they aren't even on 100% of time
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Nov 30 2015, 11:49
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Drag00noid
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 30 2015, 16:46)  Sometimes we need a break from the numbers. I like it.
i see. it's just like General Lounge for players then (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Nov 30 2015, 11:52
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Drag00noid @ Nov 30 2015, 10:45)  wait this thread can be used for posting animus rant? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif) i thought it was for Hverse-related talk only lol yes, and even for off-topic purposes. afterall, " he who does never laugh isn't a serious person" (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Nov 30 2015, 15:02
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cichy133
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Youshi064 dropped [Legendary Ethereal Katalox Staff of Destruction] Fuck my life. Second legendary drop, second completely useless one.
This post has been edited by cichy133: Nov 30 2015, 15:03
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Nov 30 2015, 15:04
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Nov 30 2015, 14:02)  Youshi064 dropped [Legendary Ethereal Katalox Staff of Destruction] Fuck my life. Second legendary drop, second completely useless one.
i offer you 9k for that. i just need another HG Wood to upgrade one block level on my shield (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Nov 30 2015, 15:06
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cichy133
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Yeah I need like 300+ HG woods for mine staff :x
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Nov 30 2015, 15:14
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Nov 30 2015, 14:06)  Yeah I need like 300+ HG woods for mine staff :x
oh. then you need it more than me. i guess i'll simply update my WTB. now, the problem is only to find another decent cleavage (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Nov 30 2015, 16:28
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tetron
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Nov 30 2015, 14:47)  duuuuuddeeee
you got 90M+ from translating hentai @@ Yet he still didn't buy Gold Star. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Level, Level. He is on a whole other level than us! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif) QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 30 2015, 15:11)  Somehow "Shomin Sample" becomes quite funny. First episode was bad.. i dont like illogical story, but i decided to give it a try and second was already better. Its not something epic, but quite decent for mainstream genre. I swear I read that as "Shaolin Temple"!! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wacko.gif) This post has been edited by tetron: Nov 30 2015, 16:29
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