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post Nov 23 2015, 05:47
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QUOTE(Inu Sakuya @ Nov 23 2015, 03:39) *
I am kinda doing it on IWBTH difficulty since I managed to make it to round 50 but I had mouse melee on so I didn't cure T_T Would you say Haste is better than Spirit Shield and why?
Yep, Haste is much better. It's an immediate ~1/3 average damage reduction since your action speed is 1.5x faster than what is is by default, and also means that buffs last some 1.5x as long. Spirit Shield is useful after monsters have built up their SP bars (MP attacks aren't strong enough to hurt your Spirit at your level, right?) - SS has a possibility of being helpful during one or two or three turns after the round's lasted more than 20 turns or so. It's nice, but it only might help at certain predictable times, whereas Haste is very useful 100% of the time.
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post Nov 23 2015, 05:52
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Since you have 2 IA slots, just stick Haste and SoL in them.

You'd generally want Haste in any battle series (unless you were planning to use Scroll of Swiftness throughout), so it's between having it on IA or casting it manually. Putting it on IA means that your very first action (maybe casting Spirit Shield) is already hastened. Putting Spirit Shield on IA means that the first turn where you cast Haste is slow.
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post Nov 23 2015, 05:53
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 23 2015, 11:47) *

Yep, Haste is much better. It's an immediate ~1/3 average damage reduction since your action speed is 1.5x faster than what is is by default, and also means that buffs last some 1.5x as long. Spirit Shield is useful after monsters have built up their SP bars (MP attacks aren't strong enough to hurt your Spirit at your level, right?) - SS has a possibility of being helpful during one or two or three turns after the round's lasted more than 20 turns or so. It's nice, but it only might help at certain predictable times, whereas Haste is very useful 100% of the time.


Honestly I suppose Spirit Shield is kinda useless when there's already spark of life to keep you safe. so thnx for that, I need to change my autocasts then. BTW, which protection shield is better? Currently have Cold on tho
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post Nov 23 2015, 05:54
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Nov 23 2015, 11:52) *

Since you have 2 IA slots, just stick Haste and SoL in them.

You'd generally want Haste in any battle series (unless you were planning to use Scroll of Swiftness throughout), so it's between having it on IA or casting it manually. Putting it on IA means that your very first action (maybe casting Spirit Shield) is already hastened. Putting Spirit Shield on IA means that the first turn where you cast Haste is slow.


Honestly I just have enough Hath to buy a 3rd Autocast slot, do you think it's worth it?
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post Nov 23 2015, 05:57
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QUOTE(Inu Sakuya @ Nov 23 2015, 11:53) *

Honestly I suppose Spirit Shield is kinda useless when there's already spark of life to keep you safe. so thnx for that, I need to change my autocasts then. BTW, which protection shield is better? Currently have Cold on tho

I assume u are using an artic rapier from ur signature, then fire shield (fire spike debuff enemy with Damage reduction: 10%, Cold resistance is lowered by 25.) might be better.
Plus, using cold-strike on fire spike will proc extra dmg if im not mistaken.
Cold spike slows enemy (Speed reduction: 10%), but i think as 1h shield, u'l want more chances to counter-attack.

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post Nov 23 2015, 06:04
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QUOTE(Inu Sakuya @ Nov 23 2015, 03:53) *
Honestly I suppose Spirit Shield is kinda useless when there's already spark of life to keep you safe. so thnx for that, I need to change my autocasts then. BTW, which protection shield is better? Currently have Cold on tho
Yeah, SS is mostly redundant if you already have Spark, but it can still be useful. The more hits that SS absorbs, the less you have to Cure (though admittedly you're probably not Curing much at all in the first place). Better to take hits that Regen and spirit draughts can make up for than to have to stop attacking and Cure.

izpekopon's right, cold shield means monsters attack you less (so you block less, counter-attack less, gain less OC). Elec shield helps the most with offense, reducing monsters' evade, but the effect is very minor. Fire shield will let your cold strike do more damage, so it's probably the best choice.
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Honestly I just have enough Hath to buy a 3rd Autocast slot, do you think it's worth it?
IA 1 and 2 are good, but IA 3+ is for the lazy and rich IMO. It's ok, but nowhere near essential like IA1 is.
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post Nov 23 2015, 06:11
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 23 2015, 12:04) *

Yeah, SS is mostly redundant if you already have Spark, but it can still be useful. The more hits that SS absorbs, the less you have to Cure (though admittedly you're probably not Curing much at all in the first place). Better to take hits that Regen and spirit draughts can make up for than to have to stop attacking and Cure.

izpekopon's right, cold shield means monsters attack you less (so you block less, counter-attack less, gain less OC). Elec shield helps the most with offense, reducing monsters' evade, but the effect is very minor. Fire shield will let your cold strike do more damage, so it's probably the best choice.IA 1 and 2 are good, but IA 3+ is for the lazy and rich IMO. It's ok, but nowhere near essential like IA1 is.


Well apparently I am one of those lazy people, so i just bought IA3 for Spirit Shield XD since 250 hath is like 1.5M right now. And yet I am training Scavenger still. BTW, do you believe that Mage is easier than 1H when it comes to finishing PFUDOR challenges?
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post Nov 23 2015, 06:14
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QUOTE(Inu Sakuya @ Nov 23 2015, 12:11) *

BTW, do you believe that Mage is easier than 1H when it comes to finishing PFUDOR challenges?


Mage is faster (if you can swing it), but not easier for PFUDOR. At your level, not recommended.
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post Nov 23 2015, 06:17
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Mage is faster (if you can swing it), but not easier for PFUDOR. At your level, not recommended.


I know, all my heimdall equips are like level 400, so it's best I switch to mage at that level
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post Nov 23 2015, 06:20
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QUOTE(Inu Sakuya @ Nov 23 2015, 04:11) *
Well apparently I am one of those lazy people, so i just bought IA3 for Spirit Shield XD since 250 hath is like 1.5M right now. And yet I am training Scavenger still. BTW, do you believe that Mage is easier than 1H when it comes to finishing PFUDOR challenges?
Well, first of all, a potential mage who wants to play on PF needs to be level 310 for Imperil. After that, to play on PF, they'll need a lot of funds - I'd say 800k+ on a good staff (can get by with only 50k-300k on phase/proficiency), some Jug on each armor (7 amnesia/equip * 14k/amnesia * 5 equips), VV perk, and good staff IW (20 amnesia?). Probably also forge staff to 5 or 10. Depreciating perk helps a lot, elemental perk helps some, but they're expensive - not essential.

After that, you might have enough firepower to get through PF arenas and kill the monsters before the monsters hurt you too much. It might not be quite enough to be able to do it comfortably - your level might still just be a bit too low. Level 350 could do it with that setup though.

It takes a whole lot of initial investment, but once you get there, your clear speed is a whole lot faster than with melee.
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post Nov 23 2015, 06:34
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Nov 23 2015, 09:18) *

I'm a fire mage and I clear arenas on pfudor/nintendo just fine. I guess imperil makes every element pretty much equal.

For reference, i would like to know what equipment u are wearing and how forged are those equipment. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Cos i always get spanked on hell difficulty playing casual un-forged mage with a crappy staff lol.
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post Nov 23 2015, 08:04
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The most important part is still level thought >"<
I have been skimming auction for almost a month now, but still haven't found anything I can use in near future (as in, less than another month >"<)
It's nice that you already have a mage set for lv400, but it's a long long long way until you can make use of it.

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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 23 2015, 05:47) *

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Thats interesting, I always thought avoidance is best because you can only evade big hits but you can never mitg them. For me its always the 20% hp hits give me trouble.
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post Nov 23 2015, 09:28
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QUOTE(Inu Sakuya @ Nov 23 2015, 04:32) *

Hello everyone! ^^ I got a question about the innate arcana. I have 2 autocast slots, which spells do you think is best for a 1H+Shield

back when i had IA2 i had Haste and Spirit Shield, and first spell i would've casted was Protection.
i always felt this choice was good enough (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

QUOTE(Inu Sakuya @ Nov 23 2015, 04:54) *

Honestly I just have enough Hath to buy a 3rd Autocast slot, do you think it's worth it?

yup. if you play as 1H then all the other spells you'll have to cast will be Regen and Heartseeker, and if you play DW it allows you to cover the minimum spell needs. it's a nice purchase.

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The most important part is still level thought >"<
I have been skimming auction for almost a month now, but still haven't found anything I can use in near future (as in, less than another month >"<)

yup, same here. quite annoying of a matter, tbh (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Nov 23 2015, 10:25
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Nov 23 2015, 05:34) *

For reference, i would like to know what equipment u are wearing and how forged are those equipment. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
Cos i always get spanked on hell difficulty playing casual un-forged mage with a crappy staff lol.


I'm using crap tbh:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=659048c8f0
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=327416d4ef
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=801bcd785c
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http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=46fb231826 - my only decent item
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=594a483ea1

And I did whole first page of arenas on pfudor, second page on IWBTH, but I'll try doing second page on pfudor today. Also every arena except Triple Trio done on pfudor already.

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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Nov 23 2015, 08:25) *
And I did whole first page of arenas on pfudor, second page on nintendo, but I'll try doing second page on pfudor today. Also every arena except Triple Trio done on pfudor already.
Do your wallet a favor, don't forge the non-prefixed staff anymore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (nor upgrade non-Fire EDB)

It isn't too hard to play at PF when there are only usually 4 or 5 monsters per round, but on page 2 when there can be 25+ rounds in a row of 6+ monsters each it'll probably be quite hard or unplayable without decent equipment.

Doable, maybe, but worth the attention paid and Cures / Spirit Potion micromanagement? Probably not, compared to melee. In that situation I'd prefer to Nintendo instead, it's an order of magnitude easier.
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 23 2015, 09:34) *

Do your wallet a favor, don't forge the non-prefixed staff anymore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (nor upgrade non-Fire EDB)

It isn't too hard to play at PF when there are only usually 4 or 5 monsters per round, but on page 2 when there can be 25+ rounds in a row of 6+ monsters each it'll probably be quite hard or unplayable without decent equipment.

Doable, maybe, but worth the attention paid and Cures / Spirit Potion micromanagement? Probably not, compared to melee. In that situation I'd prefer to Nintendo instead, it's an order of magnitude easier.


Edited, I did it on iwbth already.
Yeah about forging this crappy staff. I dropped it very early and kept forgin it for fun. Now I got nice legendary but with 430 level requirement so I'm farming lvls for fusing it.
And I don't really care about costs of doing pfudor. Exp is my priority right now, I farmed 6 levels yesterday, cuz I need better imperil asap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

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i c. ty for the info.
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Nov 23 2015, 09:25) *

I'm using crap tbh:

staff is definitely crap. iirc i should have an unassigned fiery destruction for sale, may you be interested? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 23 2015, 09:34) *

Do your wallet a favor, don't forge the non-prefixed staff anymore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) (nor upgrade non-Fire EDB)

well, it's not like he spent so much afterall (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Nov 23 2015, 11:15
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 23 2015, 10:04) *

staff is definitely crap. iirc i should have an unassigned fiery destruction for sale, may you be interested? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
well, it's not like he spent so much afterall (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)


If your staff is legendary, then I'm definitely interested.
Redwood legendary*

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