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This was true when catalysts were required for repairs but I believe that it is no longer the case.

Woops, I forgot catalysts weren't needed anymore for repairs, indeed.

Hmm. Then, if we had any choice of damage type apart from void, ie. (physical|magical) and (piercing|slashing|crushing|fire|cold|wind|elec|holy|dark) for the monster, which is generally best?

Physical Piercing (cloth and light armor), and Magical (heavy armor).

Wiki is wrong, Dragonkin sp can be phy/magic and piercing/crushing/fire.

i'd like to update the page, so could you provide me a source please?

Hmm. Then, if we had any choice of damage type apart from void, ie. (physical|magical) and (piercing|slashing|crushing|fire|cold|wind|elec|holy|dark) for the monster, which is generally best?

it depends on the target of your mobs, but for high PLs i'd go with physical, probably piercing as void said

Except zero resistances, unlike any other mob class.

which basically means you can throw your mitigation crystals equally, isn't it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

i'd like to update the page, so could you provide me a source please?

You can choose phys/mag attack, too lazy to screen (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

This post has been edited by boulay: Nov 21 2015, 14:45

What is the "Special" Column?

1/3? But the wiki says the power of Dragonkin's SP attack is 100, so does Humanoid's.

That table is completely wrong. In few words mobs have different value for base attack and mp/sp. Absolutely different. That means even basic attack has different ratio to adb/mdb.

For example:
Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi hits you for 579 piercing damage (max base)
Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi hits you for 431 piercing damage (min base)
Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi casts Senpai Wa Hentai San Desu Ne, and hits you for 11616 void damage (min)
Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi casts Senpai Wa Hentai San Desu Ne, and hits you for 12417 void damage (max)

If we count unmitg damage then in that case its 3380/4540 and 43630/49540. In other words its close 12x ratio between sp and base attack. Same for dragonkin (spinoza had 1590 at that moment). And already unmitg numbers:

Base attack : 5000-6900
Sp attack: 21750-23000
First we can see 1600pl dragonkin doing in 1,5x times higher base damage than 2250pl sprite (+- training). But also this ult has only ~3,8x ratio sp/base attacks. There is nothing about something like that in wiki. So, dragonking is quite good for base attacks (high defense, high damage), but sprite has unbelievable strong sp and its even void.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Nov 21 2015, 15:00

You can choose phys/mag attack, too lazy to screen (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

What is the "Special" Column?

yup. never noticed it before (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

That table is completely wrong. In few words mobs have different value for base attack and mp/sp. Absolutely different. That means even basic attack has different ratio to adb/mdb.

For example:
Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi hits you for 579 piercing damage (max base)
Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi hits you for 431 piercing damage (min base)
Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi casts Senpai Wa Hentai San Desu Ne, and hits you for 11616 void damage (min)
Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi casts Senpai Wa Hentai San Desu Ne, and hits you for 12417 void damage (max)

If we count unmitg damage then in that case its 3380/4540 and 43630/49540. In other words its close 12x ratio between sp and base attack. Same for dragonkin (spinoza had 1590 at that moment). And already unmitg numbers:

Base attack : 5000-6900
Sp attack: 21750-23000
First we can see 1600pl dragonkin doing in 1,5x times higher base damage than 2250pl sprite (+- training). But also this ult has only ~3,8x ratio sp/base attacks. There is nothing about something like that in wiki. So, dragonking is quite good for base attacks (high defense, high damage), but sprite has unbelievable strong sp and its even void.

No man I think that guy probably chose a magic sp attack and Dragonkin has very low int

Are there anyway to lower your burden?

No. I just used 1 example in msg. When i checked dmg i collected much more for any class. Actually i did mistake and wrote wrong string. Sp attack from spinoza was phys fire for 36k unmitg damage which is ~6x ratio. Here is few others:

Crosis. Almost 1700pl. 5600 base, 24k magical fire.
In Memory Of Dark Mages Mk4v3. 1609pl. 5800 base, 36k phys crushing.

So you can see even phys isnt close to 13x. Its ~6, but magical yea, only 4,3 (maybe 4,5 because i have only 1 sample).

This post has been edited by nec1986: Nov 21 2015, 15:54

Are there anyway to lower your burden?

1) pick gears without BUR
2) enchant your gears with Featherwieght Shards. they last one hour each and are quite cheap nowadays

No. I just used 1 example in msg. When i checked dmg i collected much more for any class. Actually i did mistake and wrote wrong string. Sp attack from spinoza was fire for 36k unmitg damage which is ~6x ratio. Here is few others:

Crosis. Almost 1700pl. 6000 base, 24k fire sp
In Memory Of Dark Mages Mk4v3. 1609pl. 5800 base, 36k crushing sp.

So you can see even crush isnt close to 13x.

Another hypothesis,
Crosis is Dragonkin also, using magic sp with low int so its 4x for 100 power.
Giant sp is only 50 power so 6x is pretty good.
Sprite sp has 150 power and high int so its 13x, and so its probably magic not phy.

Another hypothesis,
Crosis is Dragonkin also, using magic sp with low int so its 4x for 100 power.
Giant sp is only 50 power so 6x is pretty good.
Sprite sp has 150 power and high int so its 13x, and so its probably magic not phy.

Also Sprite base attack is phy only which is the weak side of Sprite

I upgraded post with phys/magical types. They all 3 is dragonkin. Phys sp is ~6, magical ~4,5.
Its actually quite good idea, because when i did that calc i just used average. Its completely wrong, because some is phys and some is magical.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Nov 21 2015, 16:03

I upgraded post with phys/magical types. They all 3 is dragonkin. Phys sp is ~6, magical ~4,5.
Its actually quite good idea, because when i did that calc i just used average. Its completely wrong, because some is phys and some is magical.

Wait In Memory Of Dark Mages Mk4v3 is a giant accroding to [hvlist.niblseed.com] http://hvlist.niblseed.com/
I still think you need more data. Also you can do (magic+crushing) sp attack if you want to kill 1h heavy

Yea, sorry, i checked wrong one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Dragonkin was one string higher in that table, its Bakaneko. But i dont have info about him. But i have about In Memorabilia Of Darksage Ff4 (this one is dragonkin). 5800 base and 31800 phys fire sp. So you can see its mostly same.

If you dont believe than look at this.
Wiki says: Mechanoid first mp has 20 power and second one 50 power.

Cracker Jim uses Honkey, and hits you for 3354 piercing damage
Cracker Jim uses Hay Ride, and hits you for 3833 piercing damage

Can you see big difference in both mp attacks?

Yea, sorry, i checked wrong one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Dragonkin was one string higher in that table, its Bakaneko. But i dont have info about him. But i have about In Memorabilia Of Darksage Ff4 (this one is dragonkin). 5800 base and 31800 phys fire sp. So you can see its mostly same.

If you dont believe than look at this.
Wiki says: Mechanoid first mp has 20 power and second one 50 power.

Cracker Jim uses Honkey, and hits you for 3354 piercing damage
Cracker Jim uses Hay Ride, and hits you for 3833 piercing damage

Can you see big difference in both mp attacks?

Ok now thats interesting. Thats why giant is so good? 50 power sp attack still hit so hard. And its so annoying with high hp.

The only thing i can say is that i'm making monsters of all types and only have upgraded mecha and a celestial. All the rest are pretty much 0 upgrades.
For non upgraded monsters, my humanoid got it's first win the very next day after i made it.
My dragonkin has yet to get it's first win, making it the only monster i have with 0 wins.
(Avian is the champion in wins from my monsters, surpassing in number even the upgraded monsters and giant is the only monster i have with killing blows even if also not upgraded).

Now this doesn't really mean anything. Sometimes i just unequip everything (equipment and press the empty "set 2") and spend some moments to enter a fight, die, repeat and so on... These are free wins for people and i always feel like the next few fights are easier after i do that... But still... I don't see dragons as decent monsters...

This post has been edited by Epion: Nov 21 2015, 16:31

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This post has been edited by Epion: Nov 21 2015, 16:38

Ok now thats interesting. Thats why giant is so good? 50 power sp attack still hit so hard. And its so annoying with high hp.

Yea, giant is a bit op. Very tanky, one of the best base attacks and still very good mp attacks. Sp is solid, but almost all can do similar-higher. Cracker`s sp should be 60k+ unmitg and its much higher.

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