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which build in particular? slaughter/nimble? slaughter/balance?

and why do you think it's *the* optimal?

I was reading the "optimal" considered DW builds in the wiki.
If we think on how DW works, i don't see why not double Rapiers, since they get 3x armor pen faster and keep it up better...
Just curiosity however. Nothing special in mind...

This post has been edited by Epion: Nov 14 2015, 16:04

I was reading the "optimal" considered DW builds in the wiki.
If we think on how DW works, i don't see why not double Rapiers, since they get 3x armor pen faster and keep it up better...
Just curiosity however. Nothing special in mind...

well , I'm curious too about that now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I never try double rapier when I still using DW heavy long time ago (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

in term of offense , I think dual rapier light is great (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Nov 14 2015, 16:12

well , I'm curious too about that now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

I never try double rapier when I still using DW heavy long time ago (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

in term of offense , I think dual rapier light is great (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

Dual rapier better than 2H?

At what level (if it ever happens), are you able to support downloading ~100 archives/week with just ~10 minutes/day of playing? Right now, I got way more from translating, but I can only do Chinese and each one takes me hours.

How about ~30 minutes/day of playing? Playing here is like working for porn lol (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

This post has been edited by Simpleton8: Nov 14 2015, 16:45

Dual rapier better than 2H?

At what level (if it ever happens), are you able to support downloading ~100 archives/week with just ~10 minutes/day of playing? Right now, I got way more from translating, but I can only do Chinese and each one takes me hours.

How about ~30 minutes/day of playing? Playing here is like working for porn lol (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

2H is good at low lvl and difficulty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

well , maybe at lvl 300+ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

1 PFU DwD alone can give you around 25~35k credits + bunch of trophies + leg clear bonus if you are lucky enough (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

that will give you some GP to download (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


bounty will bring more income unless you are heavy grinding that playing more than 7k rounds daily or get some lucky drop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Nov 14 2015, 16:52

Dual rapier better than 2H?

At what level (if it ever happens), are you able to support downloading ~100 archives/week with just ~10 minutes/day of playing? Right now, I got way more from translating, but I can only do Chinese and each one takes me hours.

How about ~30 minutes/day of playing? Playing here is like working for porn lol (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

How much GP is 100 archives/week? Honest question, I don't know.

Well about 1k-4k typically (I like larger gallery)

Actually, it would be great if you can tell me how much C you earn if you just play for 10 minutes/day at around lvl 150, 300. I assume there is some "daily" you do to get a bunch of C.

2H is good at low lvl and difficulty (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

well , maybe at lvl 300+ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif)

1 PFU DwD alone can give you around 25~35k credits + bunch of trophies + leg clear bonus if you are lucky enough (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

that will give you some GP to download (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
bounty will bring more income unless you are heavy grinding that playing more than 7k rounds daily or get some lucky drop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

DwD @lvl 300 (so far away) gives me 30000/186~161k GP. Thanks. Is that all you can do? Any other daily/weekly that gives a lot of C especially at a lower lvl.

This post has been edited by Simpleton8: Nov 14 2015, 17:04

Well about 1k-4k typically (I like larger gallery)

Actually, it would be great if you can tell me how much C you earn if you just play for 10 minutes at around lvl 150, 300, 450

Mmm, OK. 186 cred / 1k GP * 2.5k GP/gallery * 100 galleries/week = 46500 credits/week. I think I can get that much in 20 minutes or so worth of playing.

But income in this game is very top-heavy. You need high level for tankyness and damage, and you need good equips to clear fast, and equips cost credits, and to get more credits while playing you need to spend credits on training, and on the credit sinks when equipment condition gets low... etc.

To get to the point where you can play without paying much attention, you need to be at least level 200, and then probably 2h on normal for the most income / time, but the income rate will still be a whole lot lower than most.

Keep in mind that PF DwD, that nobody mentioned, even if you get to level 300, will probably take you 80 minutes+. You might be able to cut it down to 50 minutes by the time you get to level 370 or so and have moderately forged gear, but it's still a real pain. Standard arenas on Normal is a better method for income.

Well about 1k-4k typically (I like larger gallery)

Actually, it would be great if you can tell me how much C you earn if you just play for 10 minutes/day at around lvl 150, 300. I assume there is some "daily" you do to get a bunch of C.
DwD @lvl 300 (so far away) gives me 30000/186~161k GP. Thanks. Is that all you can do? Any other daily/weekly that gives a lot of C especially at a lower lvl.

nope , you need very high lvl to unlock all arenas + survive at high difficulty GF (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

all arenas in PFUDOR usually give you 170~200k credits only ~ not counting other things like equipments , items , artifacts , crystal (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


well , to get alot of credits at low lvl you need to open H@H and become hath baron like atomicpuppy ( his lvl is lower than you ) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)



This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Nov 14 2015, 17:22

Mmm, OK. 186 cred / 1k GP * 2.5k GP/gallery * 100 galleries/week = 46500 credits/week. I think I can get that much in 20 minutes or so worth of playing.

But income in this game is very top-heavy. You need high level for tankyness and damage, and you need good equips to clear fast, and equips cost credits, and to get more credits while playing you need to spend credits on training, and on the credit sinks when equipment condition gets low... etc.

To get to the point where you can play without paying much attention, you need to be at least level 200, and then probably 2h on normal for the most income / time, but the income rate will still be a whole lot lower than most.

Keep in mind that PF DwD, that nobody mentioned, even if you get to level 300, will probably take you 80 minutes+. You might be able to cut it down to 50 minutes by the time you get to level 370 or so and have moderately forged gear, but it's still a real pain. Standard arenas on Normal is a better method for income.

Thanks. I think this is good. I will probably "play hard" until lvl 200 for that arena challenge. That should be enough to keep my addiction going (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) . I am trying to play every ~30 minute to soulbound some legendary items (so that takes care of the gear).

This post has been edited by Simpleton8: Nov 14 2015, 17:27

A related follow-up: which hath perk is best/optimal till lvl ~200ish

In the order of effectiveness/cost:

• Innate Arcana I

• Innate Arcana II

• Tokenizer I (cost way too much)

A related follow-up: which hath perk is best/optimal till lvl ~200ish

In the order of effectiveness/cost:

• Innate Arcana I

• Innate Arcana II

• Tokenizer I (cost way too much)

IA1 and 2 is great choice (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

forget about tokenizer , you don't need that now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


train your Adept learner to make lvling up faster (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

How much GP is 100 archives/week? Honest question, I don't know.

f(size of the archive, age of the archive)

IA1 and 2 is great choice (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

forget about tokenizer , you don't need that now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
train your Adept learner to make lvling up faster (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Alright Thanks. Just wondering if there is anything good / worth the hath if I just want to level till 200)

I was reading the "optimal" considered DW builds in the wiki.
If we think on how DW works, i don't see why not double Rapiers, since they get 3x armor pen faster and keep it up better...
Just curiosity however. Nothing special in mind...

optimal is club and rapier, you can forgo overpower and get a lot of other potency.

Simpleton8 > Not that much. I can mostly advice to train a bit Adept Learner to lvl up faster and Scavenger to increase your drop rate (credit drops too).

optimal is club and rapier, you can forgo overpower and get a lot of other potency.

and what about uber-parry from waki of nimble? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

You know there's no love for Wakis in this game.

#FreeWakis

#FreeWakis

where!? where!?
gimme a good one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

and what about uber-parry from waki of nimble? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wub.gif)

I think you lose too much dmg from that setup. club rapier is about 25 base adb higher than rapier waki

where!? where!?
gimme a good one (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

what're you looking for?

I think you lose too much dmg from that setup. club rapier is about 25 base adb higher than rapier waki

true. in my case we'd be speaking about ~450 ADB out of a ~6.5k pool, so something like +7% damage (but does this) even matter when you have 2x IW10 weapons?). and obviously -30 parry points (something like -38% parry).

also, for some reason i can't seem to play as mindlessly with (club + rapier) as with (rapier + waki). comparison isn't exactly fair since we're speaking about a nonIWed, non forged build against a IWed, forged one, but still...