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Nov 14 2015, 03:16
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 14 2015, 00:54)  @Nekokon: Is there a reason why you're not soulfusing? You're losing quite a bit of damage. That's a good idea. Superiors require few fragments, after all. Sure, you'll replace them eventually (hopefully sooner than later), but until then, go ahead and soulfuse them all.
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Nov 14 2015, 03:35
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 13 2015, 16:54)  You use both debuff with 1H? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Past 300 you should not need debuff for PFUDOR (maybe a couple of cure here and there) and surely not for IWBTH. I usually go with the following method: 1) Buff (Regen, Heartseeker) 2) Hover the mouse on the first monster, when killed go to the one below 3) After first round do the opposite (last to first) 4) Recast buff when they finish 5) ??? 6) Profit @Nekokon: Is there a reason why you're not soulfusing? You're losing quite a bit of damage. Well you saw the other user's battle log. He lost 8000 HP in a single hit. A MP attack that gets amped up by a crit is not a laughing matter at any level when you stand to lose 8000 HP from it...
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Nov 14 2015, 03:43
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 14 2015, 02:35)  Well you saw the other user's battle log. He lost 8000 HP in a single hit. A MP attack that gets amped up by a crit is not a laughing matter at any level when you stand to lose 8000 HP from it...
That's why I never play IWBTH+ without spirit shield. Also that was a mage, with 1H you cannot get that much damage from a MP crit (but with 1H you get hit by SP attacks so crits are still a problem).
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Nov 14 2015, 03:53
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Nekokon
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 13 2015, 20:54)  @Nekokon: Is there a reason why you're not soulfusing? You're losing quite a bit of damage.
But it costs 25 fragments for 1 piece Q xQ And I'm saving soul fragments for mage set too O AO If I were to soul forge them I would have to give up on making mage set for another few weeks or months Q xQ But if I do then I would prefer to replace them with exquisite pieces first, since the fragment cost is the same O xO But then I would have to get a full set of exquisite with better base attack than slaughter superior first O AO *run around in circle Q AQ*
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Nov 14 2015, 03:58
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 13 2015, 17:43)  That's why I never play IWBTH+ without spirit shield. Also that was a mage, with 1H you cannot get that much damage from a MP crit (but with 1H you get hit by SP attacks so crits are still a problem).
Not true, I took 14K damage once from FSM because of that, on Normal. I doubt I'd ever take that size of a hit now that I have spirit shield, of course, but he sparked me but real good on that one.
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Nov 14 2015, 04:03
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Nov 14 2015, 01:53)  But it costs 25 fragments for 1 piece Q xQ And I'm saving soul fragments for mage set too O AO
If I were to soul forge them I would have to give up on making mage set for another few weeks or months Q xQ But if I do then I would prefer to replace them with exquisite pieces first, since the fragment cost is the same O xO But then I would have to get a full set of exquisite with better base attack than slaughter superior first O AO *run around in circle Q AQ* 6 fragments/day ~= 4.25 days for 1 Superior = 21.25 days for all of them, assuming you're at 0 right now. Just like most currency in most RPGs, it's generally better to be spent as soon as you get it (if it can help you moderately) rather than to let it sit in your inventory.
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Nov 14 2015, 05:27
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izpekopon
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 14 2015, 09:58)  Not true, I took 14K damage once from FSM because of that, on Normal. I doubt I'd ever take that size of a hit now that I have spirit shield, of course, but he sparked me but real good on that one.
Just keep silence on the FSM and stab him to death? Works everytime for me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Nov 14 2015, 05:56
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Nov 13 2015, 19:27)  Just keep silence on the FSM and stab him to death? Works everytime for me (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Exactly, the thing is the popular advice here is not to use debuffs on mobs. Sometimes it's wise to use debuffs, you just gotta know when. FSM is most definitely one such example. (Absorb is another buff that I resort to when challenging dangerous mobs at high difficulty levels.) This post has been edited by jacquelope: Nov 14 2015, 05:56
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Nov 14 2015, 05:59
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izpekopon
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 14 2015, 11:56)  Exactly, the thing is the popular advice here is not to use debuffs on mobs.
Sometimes it's wise to use debuffs, you just gotta know when. FSM is most definitely one such example. (Absorb is another buff that I resort to when challenging dangerous mobs at high difficulty levels.)
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Advice#...lood_StrategiesMelee: Strategy: Just beware of the health left. Always keep Silence on. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Well the thing is apart from the 'boss' types, u almost never have to cast any debuffs. What everyone is mentioning about 1h users not needing to debuff applies to the regular random mobs in general. Apart from the 'boss' types i rarely see the need to cast any debuffs. This post has been edited by izpekopon: Nov 14 2015, 06:06
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Nov 14 2015, 06:32
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Nov 13 2015, 19:59)  http://ehwiki.org/wiki/HentaiVerse_Advice#...lood_StrategiesMelee: Strategy: Just beware of the health left. Always keep Silence on. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Well the thing is apart from the 'boss' types, u almost never have to cast any debuffs. What everyone is mentioning about 1h users not needing to debuff applies to the regular random mobs in general. Apart from the 'boss' types i rarely see the need to cast any debuffs. I don't debuff regular random mobs. But a few of those high level, high-chaos'd mobs like Hong Meiling and the Memoriam siblings, yeah, you want to debuff them. During my ill-fated IWBTH DwD run those SGs occasionally hit so hard they broke my nose through the computer monitor (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Nov 14 2015, 07:33
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Nov 14 2015, 09:53)  But it costs 25 fragments for 1 piece Q xQ And I'm saving soul fragments for mage set too O AO
If I were to soul forge them I would have to give up on making mage set for another few weeks or months Q xQ But if I do then I would prefer to replace them with exquisite pieces first, since the fragment cost is the same O xO But then I would have to get a full set of exquisite with better base attack than slaughter superior first O AO *run around in circle Q AQ*
You can try to get some leg power protection, they have higher attack than your sup power slaughter and very good overall stats. And they are usually quite cheap at 50k~200k a piece.
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Nov 14 2015, 07:36
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Nov 14 2015, 13:33)  You can try to get some leg power protection, they have higher attack than your sup power slaughter and very good overall stats. And they are usually quite cheap at 50k~200k a piece.
+1 (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I always suggest them to use leg power prot , 0.82 power prot have good ADB + better defense than sup or exq slaughter (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Nov 14 2015, 07:36
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Nov 14 2015, 08:36
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Nekokon
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I would if I could find any piece less than 20 levels ahead of mine Q xQ
I won't have enough soul fragments to soul forge all the legendary stuffs, and 20 levels would take me about 15 days to be able to use it, which is barely enough to consider grabbing it ahead of time unless that piece is really cheap and it's unlikely I can get something else better before or by the time I can use it (~ O xO)~
That's the main reason I have been power leveling like crazy recently Q xQ It's the level I'm lacking, not the credit for better gear >"<
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Nov 14 2015, 08:40
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Nov 14 2015, 14:36)  I would if I could find any piece less than 20 levels ahead of mine Q xQ
I won't have enough soul fragments to soul forge all the legendary stuffs, and 20 levels would take me about 15 days to be able to use it, which is barely enough to consider grabbing it ahead of time unless that piece is really cheap and it's unlikely I can get something else better before or by the time I can use it (~ O xO)~
That's the main reason I have been power leveling like crazy recently Q xQ It's the level I'm lacking, not the credit for better gear >"<
try to max out AL training for faster lvling speed (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Nov 14 2015, 09:30
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Epion
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 14 2015, 04:32)  I don't debuff regular random mobs. But a few of those high level, high-chaos'd mobs like Hong Meiling and the Memoriam siblings, yeah, you want to debuff them. During my ill-fated IWBTH DwD run those SGs occasionally hit so hard they broke my nose through the computer monitor (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) FSM and IPU are 2 special cases of critical hitters. I personally get more trouble from IPU. Don't mind them to worrie about everyone. Yesterday i counter 270 turns on Ring of blood PF FSM with 1H/heavy, once again without trouble (didn't have to heal once). My equipment you have seen it. only shield magnificent and all the rest from weapon to shoes exquisite. There are occassionaly monsters that give a hard time to players. I believe there is a script that makes you pinpoint specific monsters. Since you use the script you might wanna use this function to know when you have to be careful and when not. Don't live in fear when you are stronger than the enemy (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif) Also i think you had IA1 unlocked... not sure anymore. If you do... are you using it on haste? THAT made an insane amount of difference for me. Finally don't mind so much the slaugther sets. I don't have a single one and if i use a not broken pc (mine can be used, but still broken) i can clear very fast anything. Look for higher quality equipment. "Magnificent force heavy armor" is already a very good upgrade compared to exquisite. Keep burden as low as possible and the % damages in check.
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Nov 14 2015, 09:34
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Epion @ Nov 14 2015, 07:30)  Also i think you had IA1 unlocked... not sure anymore. If you do... are you using it on haste? THAT made an insane amount of difference for me. Spark > Haste if there's an occasional chance of it proccing.
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Nov 14 2015, 09:46
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Epion
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 14 2015, 07:34)  Spark > Haste if there's an occasional chance of it proccing.
When you have much better level and equip, no doubt. For us that don't have it, i find haste much much better.
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Nov 14 2015, 09:51
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Epion @ Nov 14 2015, 07:46)  When you have much better level and equip, no doubt. For us that don't have it, i find haste much much better. ? I don't think so. Those who need Spark the most are those with lower level and worse equipment, after all. Haste and Spark have similar mana costs, similar durations, and are generally up 100% of the time. But, IA Spark has the added benefit of not only -1 turns required when its duration would be up, but also -1 turns required when it procs, which is also when you really want to be able to Cure and have Spark re-activate in one turn, which is doable only with Spark on IA.
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