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Nov 13 2015, 22:33
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 13 2015, 12:08)  Quite simple. Main idea of mage to kill as fast as possibly (all for damage, all for cast speed).
There are 2 directions: 1. Ordinary --> mp attacks. And second one is much harder. In ideal situation we should kill all before any mp attack. Here is example: Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi hits you for 482 piercing damage. Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi casts Doomsday, and crits you for 8495 cold damage You can see 1 mp attack in this case = ~18 ordinary. Actually it was melee set, so without mitg its 10x difference, but its still huge and imagine when you get more than 1. 2. The faster you hit monster - the faster it dies. This way average damage is lower.
So yea, actually its possibly to get more damage after weaken cast, specially if you get huge amount of mp attacks.
Okay (and this mainly applies to IWBTH+ RE) I'd rather have them not hit me with a magic attack or a crit attack but I sure as heck do not want them to hit me with both, as apparently happened above. Which is why I use both weaken and silence on known baddies, and sometimes sleep, especially in PF RE where they go up an order of magnitude in difficulty (despite that not being the case according to the stats). In IWBTH+ RE most mobs take at least 10 hits for me to kill, so they have plenty of time to hit me with magic+crit.
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Nov 13 2015, 22:36
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Ea-Moon
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As far as stats and value go, how does this Legendary Hallowed Club of Slaughter go? Using it as my main on DW, but wondering if I should bother to purchase Bindings of Slaughter to increase its power once I get it maxed out in IW. I wouldn't get that much of a boost right now from Soulfusing it, so I could potentially sell it instead later down the road.
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Nov 13 2015, 22:57
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cichy133
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QUOTE(Epion @ Nov 13 2015, 21:17)  I sometimes wonder... Am i the only person here not using imperil? o_O
Lvl 312 mage not using imperil? My clearing time is about 60% faster with imperil, so I can't really imagine not using it. And after lvl 310 it will be even faster. Imperil makes a huge difference for me. Definitely my most useful debuff.
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Nov 13 2015, 22:59
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jacquelope
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Nov 13 2015, 23:04
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nec1986
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Imperil gives huge difference. For example with good prof item, 30+ forge and prof perk i can reduce ~28 mitg. If monster has something like 65, than with 70% mmi my damage (lets say 300k) becomes 300000*(1-0,7)*(1-0,65+0,28)=56700. After imperil its 300000*(1-0,35)*(1-0,65+0,68 which is remain 1 because mitg can be reduced below 0)= 195000. Its almost 4 times difference in damage. QUOTE(kkooll @ Nov 13 2015, 23:18)  I have accumulated 3kk and i want to know if this staff is worth buying or should i keep my money in my pocket? http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=725a23076fNot rly. Its not so bad, but maybe you can get better. This post has been edited by nec1986: Nov 13 2015, 23:09
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Nov 13 2015, 23:10
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Epion
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QUOTE(cichy133 @ Nov 13 2015, 20:57)  Lvl 312 mage not using imperil? My clearing time is about 60% faster with imperil, so I can't really imagine not using it. And after lvl 310 it will be even faster. Imperil makes a huge difference for me. Definitely my most useful debuff.
Emm... 
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Nov 13 2015, 23:11
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Epion
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 13 2015, 20:59)  Yeah. Hight grade cloth cost a lot and that is quite a useless piece on... anything.
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Nov 13 2015, 23:25
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Nov 13 2015, 20:14)  Mage without Willow staff should have the same chance of monster resisting debuff just like melee right ? How do you deal with that ?
And I cast weaken because pfudor monsters hit me so hard that normal attacks deal more damage than regen could heal me each turn. If I don't use weaken sometime (when there're >7 giants for example) I can't cure and pot myself fast enough to stay above 50%, let alone start attacking. I'm still using superior armors Q xQ Melee shouldn't be using debuffs either in 99% of situations. For both mage and melee, better to just kill the monsters quicker. If you can't afford better than Superior armor, then you can't afford to mage until you get more funds. Lower level mage is extremely fragile, especially on high difficulty, especially with trash gear - it's probably only playable on Normal to Hell or so. Otherwise, for higher difficulty, you'll have better income with 1h with whatever junk you can find in your inventory. It's OK to play on less than PFUDOR, especially if your stamina is above ~40. QUOTE(Epion @ Nov 13 2015, 20:17)  I sometimes wonder... Am i the only person here not using imperil? o_O If you're only playing Normal to Hell or so, that's fine - maybe preferable. QUOTE(kkooll @ Nov 13 2015, 20:18)  I have accumulated 3kk and i want to know if this staff is worth buying or should i keep my money in my pocket? http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=725a23076fStaff is not terrible - at least everything matches for holy, but its stats aren't great for 0.82+, I think. 3m is definitely too much. If its level was lower, maybe 800k max for those impatient to try holy but unable to find staffs with matching attributes. As is, only 200k-300k at most.
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Nov 13 2015, 23:36
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Epion @ Nov 13 2015, 13:11)  Yeah. Hight grade cloth cost a lot and that is quite a useless piece on... anything.
LOL you weren't kidding, HGC=15K in WTB.
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Nov 13 2015, 23:42
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Dan31
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QUOTE(Epion @ Nov 13 2015, 21:17)  I sometimes wonder... Am i the only person here not using imperil? o_O
QUOTE(Epion @ Nov 13 2015, 22:10)  Emm...
Why mention that you don't use Imperil if you're using 1H style? Of course you don't. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Nov 13 2015, 23:43
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Kuesu Jinguji
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I've been wondering, how much do you make one day just by farming credit in HV ? Is it better than doing bounty for credit (assuming you're somewhat experienced in editing) ?
This post has been edited by Kuesu Jinguji: Nov 13 2015, 23:49
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Nov 13 2015, 23:51
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Nekokon
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I'm not asking about gear O AO I just wanna ask how non-willow mage deal with monster resisting imperil without really paying attention which would slow your turn per second O AO
You're making me feel selfconcious again Q xQ It's not like I'm too cheap to upgrade my armor, I just wanna save up for mage set first Q xQ I got 2.5m already Q xQ
Also, I can clear IWBHT Trio and Tree in about 30m (/ ` A')/
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Nov 13 2015, 23:54
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nec1986
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Btw, ive foung old mp attack info. Seems it was on pf.
1,3% was used within 54%mp and lower 14 - 58 44 - 62 65 - 67 75 - 71 87 - 75 92 - 80 96 - 83 100 - 87 Well, i think there is small chance even after 87% of mp, but i just didnt catch it. As i remember monsters can start with almost half mp, so even first-second turn is possibly to get mp attack. But average is ~25%. Starting mp is more or less random, but monster with many attacks (action speed training) has higher chance, because mp attack is replacement of ordinary one. Because huge amount starts after ~40 mp gaining its very good to finish before that. On pf its 2,66 "standard turns" which is easy to see by buff/draught ticking.
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Nov 14 2015, 00:06
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jasonp20
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I'm not complaining but I've noticed I've been getting a lot more Precursor Artifacts than normal. I usually get one or two per day. For the past week I've been getting four to six per day. I did recently increase my level of Scavenger late last week but I don't think that would account for all of it. Has something changed?
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Nov 14 2015, 00:09
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nec1986
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Nov 14 2015, 00:51)  I'm not asking about gear O AO I just wanna ask how non-willow mage deal with monster resisting imperil without really paying attention which would slow your turn per second
Nothing special. Its not so often when i have all unresisted. I just cast all 3 and see who resisted and recast. Actually willow staff wont help much, because its still high chance to resist and specially on pf. Its ok to get delay, because its not so easy as 1h (actually even with 1h i cant get 4t/s, mostly max in ordinary fight something like 2,7-3,3). But 1h cant clear all 8-9 pf mobs in 8-12 turns each round. QUOTE(Kuesu Jinguji @ Nov 14 2015, 00:43)  I've been wondering, how much do you make one day just by farming credit in HV ? Is it better than doing bounty for credit (assuming you're somewhat experienced in editing) ?
Bounty is better. Even highlvl players not often get 200k+/hour. So even 3m is 15hours with set which cost 100m+. QUOTE(jasonp20 @ Nov 14 2015, 01:06)  I'm not complaining but I've noticed I've been getting a lot more Precursor Artifacts than normal. I usually get one or two per day. For the past week I've been getting four to six per day. I did recently increase my level of Scavenger late last week but I don't think that would account for all of it. Has something changed?
Just luck/badluck. But if you have archaeologist lower than 5-6, than its quite good idea to upgrade to it. This post has been edited by nec1986: Nov 14 2015, 00:12
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Nov 14 2015, 00:20
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cichy133
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QUOTE(Nekokon @ Nov 13 2015, 22:51)  I'm not asking about gear O AO I just wanna ask how non-willow mage deal with monster resisting imperil without really paying attention which would slow your turn per second O AO
You're making me feel selfconcious again Q xQ It's not like I'm too cheap to upgrade my armor, I just wanna save up for mage set first Q xQ I got 2.5m already Q xQ
Also, I can clear IWBHT Trio and Tree in about 30m (/ ` A')/
Can you link your equipement please?
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Nov 14 2015, 00:27
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Kuesu Jinguji
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 13 2015, 18:09)  Bounty is better. Even highlvl players not often get 200k+/hour. So even 3m is 15hours with set which cost 100m+.
Thanks. Too bad there isn't a lot of editing bounties to choose from. I should have try harder to learn Japanese.
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Nov 14 2015, 00:55
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Nekokon
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 13 2015, 18:09)  Nothing special. Its not so often when i have all unresisted. I just cast all 3 and see who resisted and recast. Actually willow staff wont help much, because its still high chance to resist and specially on pf. Its ok to get delay, because its not so easy as 1h (actually even with 1h i cant get 4t/s, mostly max in ordinary fight something like 2,7-3,3). But 1h cant clear all 8-9 pf mobs in 8-12 turns each round.
Um, so willow staff actually isn't worth it O xO ? I have been skipping everything else to wait for a suitable willow staff since I thought it would help a lot with the resist thingy Q xQ Better go skim the auction again Q xQ Off topic, can you add shortcut for the skills on the skill bar O xO ? QUOTE(cichy133 @ Nov 13 2015, 18:20)  Can you link your equipement please?
Rapier: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=39c5c88ffbShield: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f7f8f04235Armors: http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=c0017883c9http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=e4709608e0http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=ab71157bbchttp://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=63a8a836d7http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=6e1d26e03b
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Nov 14 2015, 02:48
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 14 2015, 06:09)  Nothing special. Its not so often when i have all unresisted. I just cast all 3 and see who resisted and recast. Actually willow staff wont help much, because its still high chance to resist and specially on pf. Its ok to get delay, because its not so easy as 1h (actually even with 1h i cant get 4t/s, mostly max in ordinary fight something like 2,7-3,3). But 1h cant clear all 8-9 pf mobs in 8-12 turns each round.
Hmm. Are you using a willow / oak staff, nec? I'm using a Katalox staff and find that it's not uncommon for my Imperil to be resisted, even with 0.32 deprecating proficiency factor and 4 x penetrator. Quite common to spend 4, 5 turns casting Imperil
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Nov 14 2015, 02:54
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 13 2015, 21:33)  Okay (and this mainly applies to IWBTH+ RE) I'd rather have them not hit me with a magic attack or a crit attack but I sure as heck do not want them to hit me with both, as apparently happened above. Which is why I use both weaken and silence on known baddies, and sometimes sleep, especially in PF RE where they go up an order of magnitude in difficulty (despite that not being the case according to the stats). In IWBTH+ RE most mobs take at least 10 hits for me to kill, so they have plenty of time to hit me with magic+crit.
You use both debuff with 1H? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) Past 300 you should not need debuff for PFUDOR (maybe a couple of cure here and there) and surely not for IWBTH. I usually go with the following method: 1) Buff (Regen, Heartseeker) 2) Hover the mouse on the first monster, when killed go to the one below 3) After first round do the opposite (last to first) 4) Recast buff when they finish 5) ??? 6) Profit @Nekokon: Is there a reason why you're not soulfusing? You're losing quite a bit of damage.
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