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Nov 6 2015, 08:07
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ChanForu
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Nov 6 2015, 07:43)  You ll get +1k at 310lvl if gear is binded. Score has huge scaling.
Ohhh. That makes much more sense. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Nov 6 2015, 08:32
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desu.nano
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Good morning.
After HV update 0.81 (or 0.82?), my char get unequipped and the stat got reset. Currently, what is the recommended job for lv 242? Is it still Rapier-Shield+Power Armor? Or is it changed already?
Thank you for your help.
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Nov 6 2015, 08:37
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(desu.nano @ Nov 6 2015, 06:32)  After HV update 0.81 (or 0.82?), my char get unequipped and the stat got reset. Currently, what is the recommended job for lv 242? Is it still Rapier-Shield+Power Armor? Or is it changed already? Rapier + shield is still the best. Use whatever armor you have a set of (light or heavy), but as you get closer to 300, the benefits of Power will start to become more and more attractive over leather/shade/plate.
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Nov 6 2015, 08:55
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desu.nano
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Nov 6 2015, 08:37)  Rapier + shield is still the best. Use whatever armor you have a set of (light or heavy), but as you get closer to 300, the benefits of Power will start to become more and more attractive over leather/shade/plate.
i see, gonna get it back into rapier+shield again. Thank you. ^^
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Nov 6 2015, 09:00
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Kuesu Jinguji
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Wrong post, again...
This post has been edited by Kuesu Jinguji: Nov 6 2015, 09:00
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Nov 6 2015, 09:53
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jacquelope
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Is there a way to measure your monster's chaos level? I'm unclear on whether it's better (with regards to raising chaos level) to spend 12 chaos tokens on 3 traits that are at level 3 or to spend it on one that's at level 11?
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Nov 6 2015, 10:26
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 6 2015, 08:53)  Is there a way to measure your monster's chaos level? I'm unclear on whether it's better (with regards to raising chaos level) to spend 12 chaos tokens on 3 traits that are at level 3 or to spend it on one that's at level 11?
Level 11 upgrade? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif) If you have that many tokens isn't it better to just create new monsters?
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Nov 6 2015, 10:45
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Dan31
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 6 2015, 08:53)  Is there a way to measure your monster's chaos level? I'm unclear on whether it's better (with regards to raising chaos level) to spend 12 chaos tokens on 3 traits that are at level 3 or to spend it on one that's at level 11?
Most of your gifts won't come from defeating players, so bet against that. Prioritize creating more monsters or upgrading Scavenging (depending on which has the lowest cost/effect ratio). (I wish I followed that very advice...) This post has been edited by Dan31: Nov 6 2015, 10:46
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Nov 6 2015, 10:48
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 6 2015, 09:45)  Most of your gifts won't come from defeating players, so bet against that. Prioritize creating more monsters or upgrading Scavenging (depending on which has the lowest cost/effect ratio).
(I wish I followed that very advice...)
aye-aye (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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Nov 6 2015, 11:11
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 6 2015, 00:45)  Most of your gifts won't come from defeating players, so bet against that. Prioritize creating more monsters or upgrading Scavenging (depending on which has the lowest cost/effect ratio).
(I wish I followed that very advice...)
That isn't my concern, I am concerned with measuring my monster's chaos level so as to reduce it's morale drop. The wiki said that at chaos level 240 its morale drain rate cannot be lowered any further. I really really really want to know how to calculate its chaos level. But from the answers I've gotten I guess there's no way for players to calculate its chaos level, right?
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Nov 6 2015, 11:20
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Sapo84
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 6 2015, 10:11)  That isn't my concern, I am concerned with measuring my monster's chaos level so as to reduce it's morale drop.
The wiki said that at chaos level 240 its morale drain rate cannot be lowered any further. I really really really want to know how to calculate its chaos level. But from the answers I've gotten I guess there's no way for players to calculate its chaos level, right?
Are you having problems with monster morale? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) If I were you I would just go for slowly raising the PL to 200 (first morale drop reduction) or 400 (second reduction). QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 6 2015, 09:45)  (I wish I followed that very advice...)
I know that fell, I used 21 chaos tokens on my first monster (and quite a bit even for the following monsters, it took me a while to see that they were never winning anyway (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)).
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Nov 6 2015, 11:29
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Dan31
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 6 2015, 10:11)  That isn't my concern, I am concerned with measuring my monster's chaos level so as to reduce it's morale drop.
The wiki said that at chaos level 240 its morale drain rate cannot be lowered any further. I really really really want to know how to calculate its chaos level. But from the answers I've gotten I guess there's no way for players to calculate its chaos level, right?
Chaos level = number of yellow bars. Chaos level lvl 240 means the monster is fully chaos'd (the 12 chaos upgrades are at lvl 20, 12x20 = 240). This post has been edited by Dan31: Nov 6 2015, 11:31
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Nov 6 2015, 11:34
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 6 2015, 01:20)  Are you having problems with monster morale? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) If I were you I would just go for slowly raising the PL to 200 (first morale drop reduction) or 400 (second reduction). I know that fell, I used 21 chaos tokens on my first monster (and quite a bit even for the following monsters, it took me a while to see that they were never winning anyway (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)). My monster's PL is 624. Her name is Rowdy Ronda Rousey, have you ever fought her? She's had 10 victories so far, no killing blows. I'm aiming to get her to max PL and max chaos - for the lulz. QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 6 2015, 01:29)  Chaos level = number of yellow bars.
Ah hah, thanks!
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Nov 6 2015, 11:40
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mozilla browser
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 6 2015, 17:11)  That isn't my concern, I am concerned with measuring my monster's chaos level so as to reduce it's morale drop.
As you've already heard testimony from several players, option 3 is the best choice:- using those tokens to unlock more monsters. Sooner or later, those monsters will bear valuable gifts, ie. a single binding of slaughter will buy enough happy pills or monster food to keep a small army of monsters happy for a long time. QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Nov 6 2015, 17:20)  Are you having problems with monster morale? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) If I were you I would just go for slowly raising the PL to 200 (first morale drop reduction) or 400 (second reduction). I know that fell, I used 21 chaos tokens on my first monster (and quite a bit even for the following monsters, it took me a while to see that they were never winning anyway (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)). Looking on the bright side, 21 tokens won't unlock many monsters. And now you've created a monster that probably strikes fear in low-level players. QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 6 2015, 17:34)  My monster's PL is 624. Her name is Rowdy Ronda Rousey, have you ever fought her? She's had 10 victories so far, no killing blows. I'm aiming to get her to max PL and max chaos - for the lulz.
(IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) you do realise it will take a further 5589 crystal packs (167m credits worth of crystals) and (2520 - already_invested) chaos tokens to do that? This post has been edited by mozilla browser: Nov 6 2015, 11:45
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Nov 6 2015, 12:11
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ChanForu
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QUOTE As you've already heard testimony from several players, option 3 is the best choice:- using those tokens to unlock more monsters. Sooner or later, those monsters will bear valuable gifts, ie. a single binding of slaughter will buy enough happy pills or monster food to keep a small army of monsters happy for a long time. I'm an idiot. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
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Nov 6 2015, 12:11
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Nov 6 2015, 01:40)  As you've already heard testimony from several players, option 3 is the best choice:- using those tokens to unlock more monsters. Sooner or later, those monsters will bear valuable gifts, ie. a single binding of slaughter will buy enough happy pills or monster food to keep a small army of monsters happy for a long time.
I thought that monsters had to be PL 500 to bring gifts of that magnitude. So I'd need a buncha mobs with PL=500? QUOTE (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) you do realise it will take a further 5589 crystal packs (167m credits worth of crystals) and (2520 - already_invested) chaos tokens to do that? I was afraid of that. For that amount of credits I could afford half a set of leg power slaughter! (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by jacquelope: Nov 6 2015, 12:12
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Nov 6 2015, 12:25
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(Dan31 @ Nov 6 2015, 16:45)  Most of your gifts won't come from defeating players, so bet against that. Prioritize creating more monsters or upgrading Scavenging (depending on which has the lowest cost/effect ratio).
(I wish I followed that very advice...)
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Nov 6 2015, 16:48)  Everyone just wants some of their mob to kill players right (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Nov 6 2015, 13:14
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tetron
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Nov 6 2015, 15:41)  I thought that monsters had to be PL 500 to bring gifts of that magnitude. So I'd need a buncha mobs with PL=500?
There are no such limit. Even PL-25 can bring Slaughter/Phazon. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
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Nov 6 2015, 13:36
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nec1986
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Yes and 25-700 pl has same wins. Probably around 800 slightly more, but even 1k atm only in 1,5x times more than ordinary 25pl. And its much-much better than even 900pl. The main difference is lg/mg/hg materials.
At 25 its 7:3 lg to mg (average month profit ~15k). For 750pl its ~32k/month. And because 1k wins in 1,5x times more than it should be ~54k. Its also with small increase from higher hg/mg ratio. But 1k mob cost atm ~2m, so its not much better, because it returns only ~30k additional profit per month.
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Nov 6 2015, 13:53
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Logii
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I have used more than 250 Chaos Tokens on my monster, he's now at PL 648. I would say getting as many mosnsters as you can is probably the better way if you are looking for profit. My monster has 17 battles won and one killing blow, pretty much all of them came when it was lower PL. I even got a Phazon from him pretty early on. At the moment I don't expect him to win any battles or bring me valuable gifts until the PL is somewhere in 750-1000 range and fully chaosed.
By the way, how should WIS be treated for non-magical monsters? I know INT isn't useful, but does the mitigation, resist or base magic of WIS matter?
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