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Basically, I can afford to give away certain stuff to those who desperately need it.

Those who have equipment worthy enough to spend shards on have the resources to buy shards themselves. Those whose equipment isn't worthy enough may want shards anyway, and will waste them. I'm sure there are quite a few players who do/did this, including me back when I had crappy equipment but felt like IWing.

Or - keep your shards (or sell them), otherwise you're working at cross-purposes to your goal of getting a decent amount of credits so you can get better stuff.

When I reach the point where reforging will be worth anything to me... around L400+... 1.85 million credits to buy 100 of these - worst case scenario - will be nothing to me.

Reforging at least some starts being worth it as soon as you have a pretty decent weapon worth soulfusing, or have decent armor worth soulfusing. Not that spending 10+ shards for just one or two more good potency levels would be desirable, but spending (average 2 shards) to start your IW-to-10 with Butcher 1 or Fatality 1 will be worth the cost, as would spending (average 7 shards) to start armor with Juggernaut 1. Then of course, later once a player gets better gear, spending more shards for somewhat better potencies would be justifiable, until you're using something worth 2m+ that could be worth spending shards until you get Jug 5. The point - justifiable shard use is somewhat fluid. (Of course, it is your stuff to do with as you wish)

So does anyone use Shielding Plate of any sort after L300?

I was going to. I bid around 2m on a Shielding Protection, got minimum-outbid, and decided to wait for the next one to appear in auctions to buy it. Shielding instead of Power Slaughter makes late Grindfest less manually tedious (less moving eyes back to HV to Cure/Weaken/Sleep), though it might take longer due to less ADB. But then Grindfest profit was cut in half and then cut in half again, and there became no point. Except for Grindfest, better to use Power Slaughter in all slots, and if a player is playing Grindfest at all (as melee) they're probably doing it wrong.

Yea, i was more afraid of both swift-strike and overpower showing up together hand-in-hand (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Well i told myself to IW this and got myself swift strike first thing. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)
When they don't want you...
Anyway... I love how i got myself 5 amnesia shards right away while starting the game and ever since not one more!

spending (average 7 shards) to start armor with Juggernaut 1

sorry for seeming rude, but which god are you worshipping? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

i started to IW 2 armors to go for Jug and had to quit it because they were completely depleting my amnesias stock. up to this moment, this is my best result, and still required a certain amount of shards. btw, it started with Jug2 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Oct 22 2015, 17:03

sorry for seeming rude, but which god are you worshipping? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

i started to IW 2 armors to go for Jug and had to quit it because they were completely depleting my amnesias stock. up to this moment, this is my best result, and still required a certain amount of shards. btw, it started with Jug2 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

I guess he is lowering the difficulty for the first run in order to only get one potency.

This post has been edited by danixxx: Oct 22 2015, 17:19

sorry for seeming rude, but which god are you worshipping? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

i started to IW 2 armors to go for Jug and had to quit it because they were completely depleting my amnesias stock. up to this moment, this is my best result, and still required a certain amount of shards. btw, it started with Jug2 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

Sounds about right, getting more than Jug 2 can be very painful. Note I said spending (average 7 shards) to start armor with Juggernaut 1.

Spend ~7 shards to start with Jug 1 and end up with Jug 2-4 (probably)
(Spend ~37 shards to get Jug 5 by level 10)

Diminishing returns on shard usage, of course. But I think the first option of using ~7 shards is worth it on most soulfused equipment that isn't going to be replaced soon.

BTW, you're using a good IW strategy, right? (rather than dancing. no offense (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif))

I guess he is lowering the difficulty for the first run in order to only get one potency.

as i usually do.

Sounds about right, getting more than Jug 2 can be very painful. Note I said spending (average 7 shards) to start armor with Juggernaut 1.

Spend ~7 shards to start with Jug 1 and end up with Jug 2-4 (probably)

hooray! (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

(Spend ~37 shards to get Jug 5 by level 10)

i don't have that kind of presumption yet (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

BTW, you're using a good IW strategy, right? (rather than dancing. no offense (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif))

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) i don't see any offense in saying that someone is dancing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

however, personally i choose only one potency to maximize: usually for weapons is Fatality, for armors Juggernaut. if i don't earn it at the first run (@ hell difficulty to unlock only one potency), then i reset. if within lv4 i don't have at least desired_potency lv2 (quite unlikely, but it may happen), then i reset. all the rest is good enough, especially if Butcher on mainhand/maces and Overpower in offhand/other 2H. as for weapons, it's quite unlikely that i don't earn Fat5 in these conditions. as for armors, well - shit happens.

is there something else i should consider?

Ive seen one player who rly wanted to play niten (katana fan). And he uses shielding for defense.

This post has been edited by nec1986: Oct 22 2015, 17:49

Scremaz > And to say I don't really care about what I get.

I'm quite blessed with potencies on my armors for now ^^.

Please don't mind me, I'm just gonna stay in this corner crying silently wishing I could have at least one piece worth IWing Q xQ

Anyone have a good strategy to farm more credit ? I'm lacking a couple more zeros for the stuffs in WTS, and my daily allowance of 15000 ish isn't helping much Q xQ

however, personally i choose only one potency to maximize: usually for weapons is Fatality, for armors Juggernaut. if i don't earn it at the first run (@ hell difficulty to unlock only one potency), then i reset. if within lv4 i don't have at least desired_potency lv2 (quite unlikely, but it may happen), then i reset. all the rest is good enough, especially if Butcher on mainhand/maces and Overpower in offhand/other 2H. as for weapons, it's quite unlikely that i don't earn Fat5 in these conditions. as for armors, well - shit happens.

is there something else i should consider?

Looks fine. There are a couple more things that could be taken into consideration to minimize shard use but they're unlikely to reduce the average shards used by more than 1.0.

On a related note... I think the beneficial effect of Holy Strike and Dark Strike is currently undervalued. I switched out a L402 Legendary Demonic Rapier (Hollowforged, Butcher Lv.5 Fatality Lv.3 Overpower Lv.1) of the Nimble for a L427 Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter (Fire Strike, Butcher Lv.3 Fatality Lv.3 Overpower Lv.3), both with ADB and CC forged to 5, and I can't see any difference at all in my clear times, not even on long SG arenas. If this is really the result of Fire Strike instead of Dark Strike, it's unfortunate, because it would mean the primary benefit of IWing comes from the level 10 potency (10 shards to reset if you don't get a good one), and the first 9 potency levels are of lower priority. It's sad, even if a player spends 15-20 shards to get a good Fatality/Butcher start, 2/3s of the time the level 10 potency will render it meaningless.

Anyone have a good strategy to farm more credit ? I'm lacking a couple more zeros for the stuffs in WTS, and my daily allowance of 15000 ish isn't helping much Q xQ

Blow all your stamina on non-Imperil Spellspam maging through low difficulties (Nightmare or Hell) - if you can find the gear. It's probably the most efficient way of getting credits per time, even more so than high level PFUDOR Imperil maging, but it also means next to no chance of ever getting a good drop, as well as not much XP gain.

Please don't mind me, I'm just gonna stay in this corner crying silently wishing I could have at least one piece worth IWing Q xQ

Anyone have a good strategy to farm more credit ? I'm lacking a couple more zeros for the stuffs in WTS, and my daily allowance of 15000 ish isn't helping much Q xQ

Farm and Sell trophies to ppl buying them in the WTB.

This post has been edited by izpekopon: Oct 22 2015, 18:24

Farm and Sell trophies to ppl buying them in the WTB.

I'm not sure. Profit is around 950c * 0.1 + (0.9 * average non-trophy drop) = 95+ credits per schoolgirl, and they take significantly longer to kill than standard monsters. Even on Normal, I don't think the credits / time spent is much higher than other options.

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This post has been edited by Superlatanium: Oct 22 2015, 18:35

Nekokon > Most people wouldn't find my armor worth IWing, you know. It really depends what you like and want to do.

This post has been edited by Falbala456: Oct 22 2015, 18:33

Those who have equipment worthy enough to spend shards on have the resources to buy shards themselves. Those whose equipment isn't worthy enough may want shards anyway, and will waste them. I'm sure there are quite a few players who do/did this, including me back when I had crappy equipment but felt like IWing.

Or - keep your shards (or sell them), otherwise you're working at cross-purposes to your goal of getting a decent amount of credits so you can get better stuff.Reforging at least some starts being worth it as soon as you have a pretty decent weapon worth soulfusing

Okay I'll sit on this shard until I figure out what I want to do. At 14K in WTB it's only worth 1/10th of what I hauled in yesterday, so I'm in no need to sell it.

I really won't have use for reforging until I hit L400 and am within theoretical soulfusing range of L500 gear, thus capable of using any gear in the system. I'm not going to bother reforging anything that I will discard later; I will only be reforging that last gear that I ever plan to use, and I plan to reforge until I get Butcher and Fatality for my next Rapier (which will be Leg+ Eth Slaughter), and Capacitor and Jugg for my future Leg+ Power Slaughter (I'm currently stuck with Exq Slaughter hobbleskirt BS because that's the best that's available in LU (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mad.gif)). I've no idea which IW I want for my next Force Shield.

More than Amnesia Shards, though, I will want Defense Matrix Modulators and further materials to upgrade that L400+ Force Shield, and Bindings of Ox and Slaughter for that Great Rapier That Is To Come[tm]. Then I want materials for maxxing out my armor upgrades, too: repurposed actuators and whatever comes after those L5 armor upgrades. Ideally? After L400 I want a full set of Power Slaughter with Max Jugg-and-Cap if this is even possible, and then I want it all upgraded to forge level 28 (the level I can upgrade stuff to now, in theory). I freaking want the perfect armor and weapons set and I will grind and trade my ass off until I get it.

After seeing my credits jump by 150K yesterday (trophies, credits gained during Arena runs, selling loot - and this doesn't count the 300K I sold one armor piece for last week), chronic frustration is giving way to patience and diligence.

Shielding instead of Power Slaughter makes late Grindfest less manually tedious (less moving eyes back to HV to Cure/Weaken/Sleep), though it might take longer due to less ADB. But then Grindfest profit was cut in half and then cut in half again, and there became no point. Except for Grindfest, better to use Power Slaughter in all slots, and if a player is playing Grindfest at all (as melee) they're probably doing it wrong.

So salvage it or send it to Bazaar, gotcha.

The best way to gain credits - do it passive:
1. H@H
2. Gold star (5hath+10k credits each day)
3. Monster lab (each monster should give ~20k/month)

Actually before patch almost any mage could do 200k/hour. It was nice too, because if players needs something, than he could get it not so hard. Now its hard limited, because only arena has similar profit. But also there is no any rly good way to spend high amount.

Farm and Sell trophies to ppl buying them in the WTB.

It's not that much, they only drop trophies once in a while but takes forever to finish >"<
I only do them on Hard hopping there would be something nice for the clear bonus, and since I don't know what else to do O xO
Actually, what else should I do after clearing the high exp bonus arenas O xO ? I can't seem to use up all of my stamina (not counting doing everything on low difficulties` A')

Nekokon > Most people wouldn't find my armor worth IWing, you know. It really depends what you like and want to do.

I wanna be the very best *pokemon music on* (/` A')/`'*'`*'

And because I'm poor too Q.Q I don't wanna waste money Q.Q

Scremaz > And to say I don't really care about what I get.

(IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
as for me, i earned a perfect IW on this less-than-optimal weapon, and with no shards required (or close to zero, i can't remember)

On a related note... I think the beneficial effect of Holy Strike and Dark Strike is currently undervalued. I switched out a L402 Legendary Demonic Rapier (Hollowforged, Butcher Lv.5 Fatality Lv.3 Overpower Lv.1) of the Nimble for a L427 Legendary Ethereal Rapier of Slaughter (Fire Strike, Butcher Lv.3 Fatality Lv.3 Overpower Lv.3), both with ADB and CC forged to 5, and I can't see any difference at all in my clear times, not even on long SG arenas. If this is really the result of Fire Strike instead of Dark Strike, it's unfortunate, because it would mean the primary benefit of IWing comes from the level 10 potency (10 shards to reset if you don't get a good one), and the first 9 potency levels are of lower priority.

i also think that on average most of the utility of an IW comes from the supplemental strike - afterall, iirc it can add a +50% to your damage, and even more if the weapon isn't ethereal. even if you earn Butcher 5 on your weapon it will boost 'only' 15% or so, and Fatality 5 should be in the same range or more depending on your crit chance - surely Fatality 10 would be quite something. not sure about Overpower5/10, but Swift 5 almost meaningless. as for armor mitigations, they are only passive boosts.
at this point you only have to find which element is better (read: which elements the monsters have the lowest mitigation in average)

Nekokon > Most people wouldn't find my armor worth IWing, you know. It really depends what you like and want to do.

yup. one may IW a crude just because (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Bindings of Ox and Slaughter for that Great Rapier That Is To Come[tm].

be careful. a binding of slaughter on a rapier won't add so much to your total ADB pool, and not worth it for that price. go for the first five upgrades because free & will give you the most return on investment, but past this threshold go for the first five upgrades on armors.
as for STR, in a rapier is quite low to begin with & really not worth it - better going for DEX at this point, which is more versatile of a stat

Ideally? After L400 I want a full set of Power Slaughter with Max Jugg-and-Cap if this is even possible, and then I want it all upgraded to forge level 28 (the level I can upgrade stuff to now, in theory). I freaking want the perfect armor and weapons set and I will grind and trade my ass off until I get it.

it's somehow possible, but again not worth it, both time- and credits-wise

After seeing my credits jump by 150K yesterday (trophies, credits gained during Arena runs, selling loot - and this doesn't count the 300K I sold one armor piece for last week), chronic frustration is giving way to patience and diligence.

good guy. at least we won't have another nobody (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

It's not that much, they only drop trophies once in a while but takes forever to finish >"<
I only do them on Hard hopping there would be something nice for the clear bonus, and since I don't know what else to do O xO
Actually, what else should I do after clearing the high exp bonus arenas O xO ? I can't seem to use up all of my stamina (not counting doing everything on low difficulties` A')

Everyday i do all the arenas that nets me trophies.
Rough estimate earns at least 30~40k from selling the trophies.
Every 5 token of blood, do FSM get noodly, sell noodly (highest WTB price 25k atm).
That said, i'm still broke. I wonder why (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

P.S. Why do ppl bazaar all those nice stuffs and tempt me to buy when i can't even put them up for resale. :<
i'm such a Bazaar addict.

This post has been edited by izpekopon: Oct 22 2015, 19:52

It's not that much, they only drop trophies once in a while but takes forever to finish >"<
I only do them on Hard hopping there would be something nice for the clear bonus, and since I don't know what else to do O xO

if you want to farm SG trophies and tokens, personally i think it's the right way. don't expect more than 50k daily doing though, and don't rely on clear bonuses so much

Actually, what else should I do after clearing the high exp bonus arenas O xO ? I can't seem to use up all of my stamina (not counting doing everything on low difficulties` A')
I wanna be the very best *pokemon music on* (/` A')/`'*'`*'

iirc, PF T&T should give you 20k or so. and surely easier than a PF marathon, btw