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post Oct 13 2015, 06:11
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Yup, 45 damage. Fucking Swift Strike.

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=d6f0a2a0e5

My previous baby is right here, M+2.68

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post Oct 13 2015, 06:28
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QUOTE(RibbonsCan @ Oct 13 2015, 12:11) *

You can't have m+ value on exq or sup gear (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
They are the forged value
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post Oct 13 2015, 09:35
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QUOTE(RibbonsCan @ Oct 12 2015, 21:11) *

Just my opinion here. The Exquisite one has less ADB? Ouch. And neither have +STR? Moar ouch. I'd gladly have traded in swift strike for an extra level of overpower. And +AGL is an absolute no-no in my opinion. That only adds to evade chance which cuts into counter-attack chance and it adds to attack speed which is kinda worthless. I'd rather replace +AGL with +STR to boost damage.

IMHO: the best PABs are STR DEX END and for forge your wishlist should be two of either Butcher, Fatality or Overpower (I'd choose Butcher and Fatality because HULK SMASH!!! and all that). Preferably get an Ethereal and level it up to elemental. Besides weighing nothing, Ethereal delivers Void damage even without forging and no mob has any enhanced defense against that like they might against fire/holy/etc. This setup, IMO, will make PF runs go faster, especially with +STR (assuming ADB is the same).
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post Oct 13 2015, 09:59
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 13 2015, 15:35) *

IMHO: the best PABs are STR DEX END

There's no END on rapier PABs for the current version. If i remember correctly, now rapiers only comes with STR DEX AGI PAB (An older version rapier might have END PAB i think)

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post Oct 13 2015, 10:09
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 13 2015, 00:59) *

There's no END on rapier PABs for the current version. If i remember correctly, now rapiers only comes with STR DEX AGI PAB (An older version rapier might have END PAB i think)

Ah yeah, RibbonsCan's exquisite Rapier has +END, that threw me off. Still, I'd want STR as one of the PABs.
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post Oct 13 2015, 10:17
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Oct 13 2015, 16:09) *

Ah yeah, RibbonsCan's exquisite Rapier has +END, that threw me off. Still, I'd want STR as one of the PABs.

Yea, probably want at least Dex and STR, an AGI 3rd PAB would be a bonus.
Btw any idea which is better? Butcher or Fatality?

(i know ideally everyone would want both, just wanna know which of the 2 has higher priority)
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post Oct 13 2015, 10:23
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 13 2015, 10:17) *

Yea, probably want at least Dex and STR, an AGI 3rd PAB would be a bonus.
Btw any idea which is better? Butcher or Fatality?

(i know ideally everyone would want both, just wanna know which of the 2 has higher priority)

Fatality.
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post Oct 13 2015, 10:24
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 13 2015, 16:17) *

Yea, probably want at least Dex and STR, an AGI 3rd PAB would be a bonus.
Btw any idea which is better? Butcher or Fatality?

(i know ideally everyone would want both, just wanna know which of the 2 has higher priority)

Depends on your char adb. At high level fatality is better.
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post Oct 13 2015, 10:27
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Then how much weapon damage bonus does butcher give? From what the wiki states, its 2% / level of potency. Does this also apply to butcher, meaning butcher5 = 10% bonus weapon damage on weapon? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
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post Oct 13 2015, 10:34
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 13 2015, 16:27) *

Then how much weapon damage bonus does butcher give? From what the wiki states, its 2% / level of potency. Does this also apply to butcher, meaning butcher5 = 10% bonus weapon damage on weapon? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Yes and it is 1.1 times forged adb
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post Oct 13 2015, 10:51
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http://ehwiki.org/wiki/difficulties#Challenge_Level

Guys,what means "Loot Drop frequency penalty for excessive play" in 1st,2nd and 3rd diff?
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post Oct 13 2015, 10:56
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QUOTE(doom9ra @ Oct 13 2015, 08:51) *
http://ehwiki.org/wiki/difficulties#Challenge_Level

Guys,what means "Loot Drop frequency penalty for excessive play" in 1st,2nd and 3rd diff?
Did you click on the link there to "Loot Drop Frequency" that explains it?
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post Oct 13 2015, 11:04
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 13 2015, 12:56) *

Did you click on the link there to "Loot Drop Frequency" that explains it?

yea,i did,and didn't understand that;(
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post Oct 13 2015, 11:10
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Guys,if i'll infuse weapon with wind...

It will be phys wind damage or magic wind damage?

Void and Elemental Strikes,how much dmg they have(in%)?

50%?

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post Oct 13 2015, 11:19
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QUOTE(doom9ra @ Oct 13 2015, 17:10) *

Guys,if i'll infuse weapon with wind...

It will be phys wind damage or magic wind damage?

Void and Elemental Strikes,how much dmg they have(in%)?

50%?

[From http://ehwiki.org/wiki/equipment#Elemental_Strike]

Elemental Strike
Can be obtained on weapons though Equipment Prefixes, achieving level 10 potency in Item World, or by infusions through The Forge.
Deals additional damage in that element
Average damage done is equal to 50% of your physical damage (before mitigation by monsters) - this has a separate damage roll independent from the main hit. Counts as physical damage

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post Oct 13 2015, 11:21
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 13 2015, 13:19) *

[From wiki page]
Elemental Strike

Can be obtained on weapons though Equipment Prefixes, achieving level 10 potency in Item World, or by infusions through The Forge.

Deals additional damage in that element
Average damage done is equal to 50% of your physical damage (before mitigation by monsters) - this has a separate damage roll independent from the main hit. Counts as physical damage



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post Oct 13 2015, 12:18
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Oct 13 2015, 10:34) *

QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 13 2015, 10:27) *

Then how much weapon damage bonus does butcher give? From what the wiki states, its 2% / level of potency. Does this also apply to butcher, meaning butcher5 = 10% bonus weapon damage on weapon? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

Yes and it is 1.1 times forged adb

yup. but consider that while it's true that both ADB and crit damage bonus are additive, ADB on rapier is pretty much lost among the total damage of your character, while crit is immediately visible.

for example, let's say you have a rapier with 1000 ADB, and Butcher 5 will bring you to 1100. your total ADB pool may be 6500 because of abilities, armors, a bit of forging etc etc, so that +100 ADB would mean +1.5% on the total.

let's rather say that Fatality 5 will bring your crit bonus from 59% to 69%. with that same damage (6500 ADB) and 36% crit chance your average ADB will be brought from 7900 to 8100, with a 3% increase - and further increased by Heartseeker.

personally, i'd rather go for fatality (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Oct 13 2015, 13:26
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 13 2015, 18:18) *

Yes and it is 1.1 times forged adb

yup. but consider that while it's true that both ADB and crit damage bonus are additive, ADB on rapier is pretty much lost among the total damage of your character, while crit is immediately visible.

for example, let's say you have a rapier with 1000 ADB, and Butcher 5 will bring you to 1100. your total ADB pool may be 6500 because of abilities, armors, a bit of forging etc etc, so that +100 ADB would mean +1.5% on the total.

let's rather say that Fatality 5 will bring your crit bonus from 59% to 69%. with that same damage (6500 ADB) and 36% crit chance your average ADB will be brought from 7900 to 8100, with a 3% increase - and further increased by Heartseeker.

personally, i'd rather go for fatality (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

ic, another question,
How much base dmg would a decent mag rapier be? around 44+-? Decent base dmg for exq rapier is around 41+- right?
Cant seem to find any good rapiers, so im stucked with my butcher4 overpower4 swiftstrike1 Rapier.
I probably shouldn't waste amnesia shards on Exq, what about mag quality, will it be worth it to reforge?
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post Oct 13 2015, 13:38
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 13 2015, 11:26) *
ic, another question,
How much base dmg would a decent mag rapier be? around 44+-? Decent base dmg for exq rapier is around 41+- right?
Cant seem to find any good rapiers, so im stucked with my butcher4 overpower4 swiftstrike1 Rapier.
I probably shouldn't waste amnesia shards on Exq, what about mag quality, will it be worth it to reforge?
44 is good. Since there's significantly less variation in gear in this patch, I think it's fine to mostly judge gear by quality rather than stats - for those under level ~350, at least.

Your rapier has 4 useful potencies, and it has Holy Strike. To acquire a noticeable upgrade, you would have to get ~8+ useful potencies (shards required: 30+?) and get Holy Strike or Dark Strike again (1 in 3 chance). Stick with what you have, it's fine.

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post Oct 13 2015, 14:03
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 13 2015, 19:38) *

44 is good. Since there's significantly less variation in gear in this patch, I think it's fine to mostly judge gear by quality rather than stats - for those under level ~350, at least.

Your rapier has 4 useful potencies, and it has Holy Strike. To acquire a noticeable upgrade, you would have to get ~8+ useful potencies (shards required: 30+?) and get Holy Strike or Dark Strike again (1 in 3 chance). Stick with what you have, it's fine.

ic. So stick with this weapon to lv310, decide whether to transition into mage or continue 1h am i right? Around what level should i consider replacing my current weapon?
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