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post Oct 6 2015, 14:51
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Ok, In nobody_xxx's case, the 30m shield definitely is better (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
But that case is not nearly what I want to ask, because Agi is not an important primary attributes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
The case I want to ask is this:
QUOTE(-Daiki- @ Oct 5 2015, 09:08) *

I wonder why equipment with 3 Pabs often sell at higher price than 2 Pabs ?? Ex (in WTS): Power Slaughter (80k 3PABS, 40k 2PABS, Except prized ones)
Is how many type primary attributes important ?? I wonder if 3 pabs equipment is better than 2 pabs or not ??
If total bonus in 2 Pabs equal with 3 Pabs total bonus , then they have same quality, right ?? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


The case I want to ask is when all type of Pabs are important. Here is it: There are two shield, one with 2 Pabs: +40 STR , +40 DEX. Other shield have 3 Pabs: +40 STR , +20 DEX , +20 END.
So, in this case, talk only about Pabs aspect, two shield have same quality, is it right ? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Oct 6 2015, 14:58
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QUOTE(-Daiki- @ Oct 6 2015, 20:51) *

Ok, In nobody_xxx's case, the 30m shield definitely is better (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
But that case is not nearly what I want to ask, because Agi is not an important primary attributes (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
The case I want to ask is this:
The case I want to ask is when all type of Pabs are important. Here is it: There are two shield, one with 2 Pabs: +40 STR , +40 DEX. Other shield have 3 Pabs: +40 STR , +20 DEX , +20 END.
So, in this case, talk only about Pabs aspect, two shield have same quality, is it right ? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Yes but such case doesn't exist in hv. Same equips with 3 pab should be always better.
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post Oct 6 2015, 15:32
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Well at last I got my first legendary drop. It went Legendary ( It can't be!) Reinforced ( Hmm could be worse...) Leather leggings ( I know, I know...) of Stoneskin (OUCH!). Guess it could be worse, maybe if specific mitigations become more important in the future... one can dream...

Legendary Reinforced Leather Failure

Come on, tell me how trashy it is, break my heart, will you?
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post Oct 6 2015, 15:39
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QUOTE(Raurusama @ Oct 6 2015, 21:32) *

Well at last I got my first legendary drop. It went Legendary ( It can't be!) Reinforced ( Hmm could be worse...) Leather leggings ( I know, I know...) of Stoneskin (OUCH!). Guess it could be worse, maybe if specific mitigations become more important in the future... one can dream...

Legendary Reinforced Leather Failure

Come on, tell me how trashy it is, break my heart, will you?


At least ur's came with reinforced, my first and only lege i got was Legendary Cobalt Leather Gauntlets of Protection (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)
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post Oct 6 2015, 15:47
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QUOTE(scrateur @ Oct 6 2015, 15:05) *

How is this Shortsword?

It falls in the "Looks good (for decoration), but useless (in battle)" category.

QUOTE(Raurusama @ Oct 6 2015, 19:02) *

Well at last I got my first legendary drop. It went Legendary ( It can't be!) Reinforced ( Hmm could be worse...) Leather leggings ( I know, I know...) of Stoneskin (OUCH!). Guess it could be worse, maybe if specific mitigations become more important in the future... one can dream...

Legendary Reinforced Leather Failure

Come on, tell me how trashy it is, break my heart, will you?

Put your heart in the tip of one of your nails, and cut out the nail. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)
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post Oct 6 2015, 16:16
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 6 2015, 15:39) *

At least ur's came with reinforced, my first and only lege i got was Legendary Cobalt Leather Gauntlets of Protection (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/anime_cry.gif)

Sigh, we both got just one step away from getting something worthwhile, must be the level range right?...right?

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Put your heart in the tip of one of your nails, and cut out the nail. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

My heart in tatters.
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post Oct 6 2015, 16:22
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QUOTE(Raurusama @ Oct 6 2015, 22:16) *

Sigh, we both got just one step away from getting something worthwhile, must be the level range right?...right?
My heart in tatters.


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You might be right about the level range. Or its just us.
Sucks to be us. Welcome to the FEEL train lol. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)

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post Oct 6 2015, 16:48
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At least you have some diversity.
I've got 3 leg leathers, all 3 are gauntlets.
Legendary Agile Leather Gauntlets of Warding
Legendary Onyx Leather Gauntlets of Stoneskin
Legendary Zircon Leather Gauntlets of Protection

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post Oct 6 2015, 16:51
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post Oct 6 2015, 17:05
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what a reason to soulfuse items that above ur level?
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post Oct 6 2015, 17:13
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All aboard !~ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Oct 6 2015, 17:13
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 6 2015, 22:22) *

You might be right about the level range. Or its just us.
Sucks to be us. Welcome to the FEEL train lol. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)


Don't worry, it's not just you. I'm awash in trash.

Legendary Agile Leather Helmet of Dampening
Legendary Cobalt Leather Helmet of Deflection
Legendary Cobalt Leather Helmet of Warding
Legendary Ruby Leather Helmet of Dampening
Legendary Ruby Leather Helmet of Stoneskin
Legendary Zircon Leather Helmet of Protection
Legendary Agile Leather Breastplate of Deflection
Legendary Jade Leather Breastplate of Warding
Legendary Jade Leather Breastplate of Warding
Legendary Onyx Leather Breastplate of Warding
Legendary Zircon Leather Breastplate of Dampening
Legendary Agile Leather Gauntlets of Warding
Legendary Amber Leather Gauntlets of Stoneskin
Legendary Cobalt Leather Gauntlets of Deflection
Legendary Onyx Leather Gauntlets of Protection
Legendary Onyx Leather Gauntlets of Warding
Legendary Reinforced Leather Gauntlets of Warding
Legendary Amber Leather Leggings of Protection
Legendary Amber Leather Leggings of Stoneskin
Legendary Jade Leather Leggings of Deflection
Legendary Ruby Leather Leggings of Dampening
Legendary Ruby Leather Leggings of Dampening
Legendary Ruby Leather Leggings of Warding
Legendary Ruby Leather Leggings of Warding
Legendary Agile Leather Boots of Warding
Legendary Amber Leather Boots of Protection
Legendary Cobalt Leather Boots of Dampening
Legendary Cobalt Leather Boots of Protection
Legendary Cobalt Leather Boots of Warding
Legendary Jade Leather Boots of Warding
Legendary Onyx Leather Boots of Protection
Legendary Reinforced Leather Boots of Dampening
Legendary Reinforced Leather Boots of Dampening
Legendary Reinforced Leather Boots of Dampening
Legendary Ruby Leather Boots of Warding
Legendary Zircon Leather Boots of Protection
Legendary Zircon Leather Boots of Warding
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post Oct 6 2015, 17:18
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Oct 6 2015, 22:13) *

Don't worry, it's not just you. I'm awash in trash.

Legendary Agile Leather Helmet of Dampening
Legendary Cobalt Leather Helmet of Deflection
Legendary Cobalt Leather Helmet of Warding
Legendary Ruby Leather Helmet of Dampening
Legendary Ruby Leather Helmet of Stoneskin
Legendary Zircon Leather Helmet of Protection
Legendary Agile Leather Breastplate of Deflection
Legendary Jade Leather Breastplate of Warding
Legendary Jade Leather Breastplate of Warding
Legendary Onyx Leather Breastplate of Warding
Legendary Zircon Leather Breastplate of Dampening
Legendary Agile Leather Gauntlets of Warding
Legendary Amber Leather Gauntlets of Stoneskin
Legendary Cobalt Leather Gauntlets of Deflection
Legendary Onyx Leather Gauntlets of Protection
Legendary Onyx Leather Gauntlets of Warding
Legendary Reinforced Leather Gauntlets of Warding
Legendary Amber Leather Leggings of Protection
Legendary Amber Leather Leggings of Stoneskin
Legendary Jade Leather Leggings of Deflection
Legendary Ruby Leather Leggings of Dampening
Legendary Ruby Leather Leggings of Dampening
Legendary Ruby Leather Leggings of Warding
Legendary Ruby Leather Leggings of Warding
Legendary Agile Leather Boots of Warding
Legendary Amber Leather Boots of Protection
Legendary Cobalt Leather Boots of Dampening
Legendary Cobalt Leather Boots of Protection
Legendary Cobalt Leather Boots of Warding
Legendary Jade Leather Boots of Warding
Legendary Onyx Leather Boots of Protection
Legendary Reinforced Leather Boots of Dampening
Legendary Reinforced Leather Boots of Dampening
Legendary Reinforced Leather Boots of Dampening
Legendary Ruby Leather Boots of Warding
Legendary Zircon Leather Boots of Protection
Legendary Zircon Leather Boots of Warding

why don't sell them all at bazaar , mozilla (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

I sell all of my leg leather to bazaar
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post Oct 6 2015, 17:20
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 6 2015, 16:22) *

You might be right about the level range. Or its just us.
Sucks to be us. Welcome to the FEEL train lol. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)



QUOTE(Sapo84 @ Oct 6 2015, 16:48) *

At least you have some diversity.
I've got 3 leg leathers, all 3 are gauntlets.



QUOTE(Frederiksc @ Oct 6 2015, 16:51) *

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So... the feelings inspired me to search "leather train" in Google and oh boy...

I want off this ride, leather gauntlets not included.

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post Oct 6 2015, 17:20
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QUOTE(doom9ra @ Oct 6 2015, 23:05) *

what a reason to soulfuse items that above ur level?

Reason : so u can use it. Once soul-bounded its stats would continue to grow and scale with your level. Soulfused higher level item would 'shrink' in stats to scale to your lower level
(source: some other person on this forum told me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ).
QUOTE(Dammon @ Sep 22 2015, 20:23) *

No. When you soulfuse something that is at a higher level than you, it will come down to your level (it becomes weaker).



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post Oct 6 2015, 17:29
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 6 2015, 19:20) *

Reason : so u can use it. Once soul-bounded its stats would continue to grow and scale with your level. Soulfused higher level item would 'shrink' in stats to scale to your lower level
(source: some other person on this forum told me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) ).


Thanks!thats good!
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post Oct 6 2015, 17:36
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QUOTE(doom9ra @ Oct 6 2015, 17:05) *

what a reason to soulfuse items that above ur level?


In case you happen to have missed the patch notes, let me just put it short words. Its just a nerf to the market and low level players to have restricted possibilities (or even no chance) to acquire a certain quality compared to their level (exept for lvl0, unassigned items). Since high quality items are statistically dropping more often on high difficulties - which indicates, that high level players could get also high quality items more frequently - high level players get good gear earlier.

So soulfusing - which requires an amount of soul fragments (which can be acquired by playing over time or buying) - is just a way of slowing down the process of changing gear from good to better, because better is mostly also higher then the players level. But therefore low level players level up faster - at least it is intended so. Plus it takes some credits to the shop (as if any reasonable player would do) buying Soul Fragments to soulfuse something.

The market nerf hinders now high quality gear to be handed down (or sold) to players below level of item - 100. So to get something worth soulfusing you need now a certain level to either wear it or soulfuse it down to your level. In some cases, lucky players even found something worth soulfusing.

The biggest laugh on soulfusing is at lvl 500. Any drop at that level has no need to be soulfused at all, since you have no actual "gain". So happy sharing at 500, happy grinding at > 500. This is a main indicator for what is intended. No gain. Just playing some elevator music.

In the case you have excessive Soul Fragments, you may consider soulfusing what you wear at the moment.
I know this sounds a bit frustrated, but the soulfuse patch finally convinced me not to open a shop, since the items I would have offered are too high for the customers to wear and to low (in my oppinion) to soulfuse. And why going for a mag item, when you can soulfuse a leg item for the same number of fragments?
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post Oct 6 2015, 17:45
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QUOTE(Frederiksc @ Oct 6 2015, 19:36) *

In case you happen to have missed the patch notes, let me just put it short words. Its just a nerf to the market and low level players to have restricted possibilities (or even no chance) to acquire a certain quality compared to their level (exept for lvl0, unassigned items). Since high quality items are statistically dropping more often on high difficulties - which indicates, that high level players could get also high quality items more frequently - high level players get good gear earlier.

So soulfusing - which requires an amount of soul fragments (which can be acquired by playing over time or buying) - is just a way of slowing down the process of changing gear from good to better, because better is mostly also higher then the players level. But therefore low level players level up faster - at least it is intended so. Plus it takes some credits to the shop (as if any reasonable player would do) buying Soul Fragments to soulfuse something.

The market nerf hinders now high quality gear to be handed down (or sold) to players below level of item - 100. So to get something worth soulfusing you need now a certain level to either wear it or soulfuse it down to your level. In some cases, lucky players even found something worth soulfusing.

The biggest laugh on soulfusing is at lvl 500. Any drop at that level has no need to be soulfused at all, since you have no actual "gain". So happy sharing at 500, happy grinding at > 500. This is a main indicator for what is intended. No gain. Just playing some elevator music.

In the case you have excessive Soul Fragments, you may consider soulfusing what you wear at the moment.
I know this sounds a bit frustrated, but the soulfuse patch finally convinced me not to open a shop, since the items I would have offered are too high for the customers to wear and to low (in my oppinion) to soulfuse. And why going for a mag item, when you can soulfuse a leg item for the same number of fragments?


oh,thanks a lot...thats unexpected,i missed a whole a lot a time.
I see,now is tons of players that 400+level,how to faster level up?
IW?GF?Arena?
What difficulty to use(i have a really bad troubles with the last 3)
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post Oct 6 2015, 18:05
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QUOTE(Mrsuperhappy @ Oct 6 2015, 11:30) *
Maybe with block/parry etc some of that evasion would have been blocked anyway? so the extra evasion doesn't actually increase the protection when you woukld have been protected anyway? Just a guess.
That's the idea.

https://forums.e-hentai.org/index.php?s=&am...t&p=3823870

He's the one who did the math though.
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I know this sounds a bit frustrated, but the soulfuse patch finally convinced me not to open a shop, since the items I would have offered are too high for the customers to wear and to low (in my oppinion) to soulfuse. And why going for a mag item, when you can soulfuse a leg item for the same number of fragments?
Sometimes I think one of the better solutions for lower level players is for them to just stop playing HV for a couple months, except for a few REs every day for soul fragments. Eventually, they'll be in the same state as higher level players, and eventually have many more than they can use. Then they can get medium-high quality equipment from players 375-425 or so (who have a decent number of drops that are objectively OK, but not quite good enough for others of that level) for relatively cheap, and soulfuse. (They'll also then be more than justified in IWing Juggernaut and forging to 5, which is much less likely to be worth it with the gear they'd be using otherwise)

Problem is, that requires a lot of patience, which many people lack.

It seems that the boss really wanted to do his best to eviscerate trading with his patch.
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I see,now is tons of players that 400+level,how to faster level up?
IW?GF?Arena?
What difficulty to use(i have a really bad troubles with the last 3)
The best places for experience per time are the higher level arenas - the 70-round to 100-round arenas. Next is Grindfest (no income), followed by IW (no income), followed by the other arenas, followed by SG arenas (too slow).

If experience is what you care most about, which you probably should, play on as high a difficulty as you can manage without having to pay complete attention to stay alive. Probably ~Nintendo, for your level. Remember to train Adept Learner to 150+. If credit income is what you care about, play on the difficulty low enough to clear quickly enough to keep stamina below 80, but high enough that stamina doesn't drop too much below ~50.
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post Oct 6 2015, 18:05
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how to faster level up?

The same story as for years...
- keep stamina over 79 (200% exp)
- always do the highest arenas first (xp > 100%) as long stamina is > 79, SG arenas can excluded due to time
- use the highest difficulty setting you can handle, that means:
-- no excessive use of last elixiers (40 turns can be loooong)
-- no instant triggering of SoL / defeat without a turn with hp < 40 (you can play with this value)
you can also
- invest in training (Adept Learner, +300%)
- invest in perks (nerfed as it just adds to Adept Learner now, both maxed now just 400%, formerly 800%)
- invest in your gear to handle more or the same faster.
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