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post Oct 4 2015, 11:40
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 4 2015, 08:24) *
Is it advisable that i skip upgrading my equipment and invest in 21 figurines for OFC first (i use 1h+shield)?
Either can be good. OFC is useful for Grindfest and when you play many rounds where there are ~7+ monsters spawned, and will be used as long as you continue to play melee, but if you don't and you have good soulfuse-worthy equipment, you might upgrade that instead.
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post Oct 4 2015, 12:25
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Oct 4 2015, 16:03) *

http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=627f810ed8

It could be so good.... with higher edb. Havent seen good drop in last few month. Arena drop was nerfed?

yup , I think arena drop get nerf by tenb (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Oct 4 2015, 12:34
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 4 2015, 17:40) *

Either can be good. OFC is useful for Grindfest and when you play many rounds where there are ~7+ monsters spawned, and will be used as long as you continue to play melee, but if you don't and you have good soulfuse-worthy equipment, you might upgrade that instead.


i'm currently using these items
<Rapier>
<Shield>
<Helmet>
<Body>
<Hands>
<Legs>
<Feet>

With these current equips in mind, would it still be advisable to go for OFC? Haven't seen many mag/leg power equips near my level and affordable for my level range in the WTS. So i guess i would go for the 21 figurines?

Or should i prioritize finding replacements for those parts im missing END such as my helm, body, hands and legs?

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post Oct 4 2015, 12:57
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 4 2015, 12:34) *

i'm currently using these items
<Rapier>
<Shield>
<Helmet>
<Body>
<Hands>
<Legs>
<Feet>

With these current equips in mind, would it still be advisable to go for OFC? Haven't seen many mag/leg power equips near my level and affordable for my level range in the WTS. So i guess i would go for the 21 figurines?


You could probably get figurines for 20-30k now. I don't think you can get that much value from 600k spent in gear. For me, OFC saves around 25% rounds ~33% more damage. It is also cheaper if you have most of a set.
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post Oct 4 2015, 13:00
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 4 2015, 17:34) *

i'm currently using these items
<Rapier>
<Shield>
<Helmet>
<Body>
<Hands>
<Legs>
<Feet>

With these current equips in mind, would it still be advisable to go for OFC? Haven't seen many mag/leg power equips near my level and affordable for my level range in the WTS. So i guess i would go for the 21 figurines?

Or should i prioritize finding replacements for those parts im missing END such as my helm, body, hands and legs?

well , you need old exq power slaughter to get 3 PAB ~ you can buy it in midnight pass shop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Oct 4 2015, 13:03
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QUOTE(m118w11 @ Oct 4 2015, 18:57) *

You could probably get figurines for 20-30k now. I don't think you can get that much value from 600k spent in gear. For me, OFC saves around 25% rounds ~33% more damage. It is also cheaper if you have most of a set.

Yea, thought about it that way. Gonna start saving and buying them figurines then haha (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

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well , you need old exq power slaughter to get 3 PAB ~ you can buy it in midnight pass shop (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


I've seen the prices there, i'm afraid its nowhere near affordable for me for a substantial upgrade.

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post Oct 4 2015, 13:23
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Oct 4 2015, 18:03) *

Yea, thought about it that way. Gonna start saving and buying them figurines then haha (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
I've seen the prices there, i'm afraid its nowhere near affordable for me for a substantial upgrade.

I know , some of that exq power slaughter is 1M+ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

well , you can start saving for OFC (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

send 1 free pony for you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

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post Oct 4 2015, 13:33
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 4 2015, 19:23) *

I know , some of that exq power slaughter is 1M+ (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

well , you can start saving for OFC (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

send 1 free pony for you (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Thanks (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Oct 4 2015, 13:33
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Wait. Did i understand wrong how this OFC works?
Wasn't it like an one trick pony?
200 overpower and long cooldown to kill or heavy damage all enemies in one round of battle and that's that?
...
Well not that instant killing one round is something to pass by...
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...
...
How many figurines do i have?
One... ... ... Let's move on (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Oct 4 2015, 14:06
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Sep 27 2015, 17:10) *

...If we completely delete crystals and credits than its still [higher than previously calculated]. But some part of crystals should be included also...


Okay since the number is so different from my initial estimate, I redid the drops, including various item drops, and counting potion usage. It appears that the suspicion from nec1986's post has some merit: drop rates are double, and the rolls I calculated are proportionally larger.

Drop Rate and Roll Estimates 2.0:

Drop rate is: 10%*1.25 (Scavenger) +0-15% PL bonus, averaging around 27% (with the max being 27.5 for PL >1250, max Scavenger)

Equipment Roll is 2.5% base, with 20 Quartermaster it is 5%
Artifact Roll is 0.2% base, with 10 Archaeologist it is 0.4%.
Token Roll is 0.2% base, with 1-4x depending on Tokeniser.
'Items' Roll is either 60% normally, 53% in grindfest. Or I did something wrong (more likely).
If all rolls fail, then you get crystals.

Notes: The item roll was calculated with 1640 drops in 'normal' (item world), and ~2271 drops in grindfest. It is statistically significant that they are different (or I miscounted something like potions used, that being said, I must have missed 150 potions for it to be 60%).

Comparing Grindfest to IW, Grindfest gives twice as many crystal drops. Assuming that the 'item' rolls are different. There is a model which fits very well for the extra crystal drop:

With that assumption, extra crystal drop is calculated after normal rolls and credit rolls:

First Normal Drop Roll (~27% Chance)
Then Credit Roll if first fails (20% Chance)
Then Extra Crystal Roll if second fails (~10%-12.5% chance depending on scavenger, but with no pl bonus)

[www.mediafire.com] Excel containing values, note extremely messy, basically dirty raw data+ a bit of analysis

I'm gonna redo the grindfest to see if I can make the item roll number equal 60%.

As a bonus I think I found out how monsters spawn in grindfest/IW:

You get somewhere between Round/4 and Round/4+2 monsters (1-3 monsters at Round 1). After round 24 you always get between 7 and 9. There is a bias between picking the higher numbers, after round 24, you get ~8.3 monsters per round.
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post Oct 4 2015, 15:47
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Do you know if there exists anyone that sells low level "superior" tier power plate of protection?
I looked around the stores a bit, but it looks like all just have the expensive staff out, so couldn't find any (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Oct 4 2015, 16:07
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QUOTE(Epion @ Oct 4 2015, 21:47) *

Do you know if there exists anyone that sells low level "superior" tier power plate of protection?
I looked around the stores a bit, but it looks like all just have the expensive staff out, so couldn't find any (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

You are looking for level unassigned gear they are so few now. The only thing you can do is level up asap (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/ohmy.gif)
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post Oct 4 2015, 16:13
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What's the best Ring of Blood monster to hunt for trophy drops after getting the 1 time bonus?

The FSM costs 2 more tokens, but is the the extra cost worth it?
What's Your parry/block?


currently mine at 56% parry, and 48% block

to be honest this is not high. many people already reach 60%+ parry and 60%+ block

but with 56/48 enough to maintain perma spirit stance.
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post Oct 4 2015, 16:28
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QUOTE(Epion @ Oct 4 2015, 21:47) *

Do you know if there exists anyone that sells low level "superior" tier power plate of protection?
I looked around the stores a bit, but it looks like all just have the expensive staff out, so couldn't find any (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)


There's currently one in the bazaar <lv256 body> @ 4600c if u're interested, pabs looks pretty bad though.
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post Oct 4 2015, 16:29
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Oct 4 2015, 21:13) *

currently mine at 56% parry, and 48% block

to be honest this is not high. many people already reach 60%+ parry and 60%+ block

but with 56/48 enough to maintain perma spirit stance.

I only have 62% block and 56%parry (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
enough for nearly everything (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)


@Epion
You can try to open WTB thread (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Like void said , lvl up to 300+ ASAP (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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post Oct 4 2015, 20:54
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Oct 4 2015, 06:12) *

the trick is

kill the mon which have highest HP first (SG/boss)

you will maintain spirit stance and overcharge mostly at 100+

if have high enough parry/block, you can maintain overcharge at 200+.... like me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

he's speaking about maging, iirc...

QUOTE(nec1986 @ Oct 4 2015, 11:03) *

Havent seen good drop in last few month. Arena drop was nerfed?

haven't seen good drops since i started playing. was every battle mode nerfed? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

QUOTE(Epion @ Oct 4 2015, 13:33) *

Wait. Did i understand wrong how this OFC works?
Wasn't it like an one trick pony?
200 overpower and long cooldown to kill or heavy damage all enemies in one round of battle and that's that?

mind you, long cooldown - 50 rounds - may mean every two or three rounds on high difficulties and if you're quick enough in building OC
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post Oct 5 2015, 00:12
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Quick question.
It is possible to sleeping/stunned monsters resist the spell attack?

Wiki:
Sleeping monsters cannot attack, evade, parry, or resist attacks?
Stunned monsters cannot take any offensive action and cannot evade or parry.
but it's similar effects, so result should be the same.
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post Oct 5 2015, 04:46
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QUOTE(m118w11 @ Oct 4 2015, 20:06) *

Equipment Roll is 2.5% base, with 20 Quartermaster it is 5%
Artifact Roll is 0.2% base, with 10 Archaeologist it is 0.4%.
Token Roll is 0.2% base, with 1-4x depending on Tokeniser.
'Items' Roll is either 60% normally, 53% in grindfest. Or I did something wrong (more likely).

About the 'Items' Roll, do you mean the "I.Type Roll" (Non-Crystal) in this image?

(IMG:http://ehwiki.org/images/3/3b/Drop_Rolls.png)

If so, 'Items' Roll is 100% - 35% (Crystals) = 65%

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post Oct 5 2015, 06:52
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Oct 5 2015, 10:46) *

About the 'Items' Roll, do you mean the "I.Type Roll" (Non-Crystal) in this image?

If so, 'Items' Roll is 100% - 35% (Crystals) = 65%

petty much, but crystals is not always 35% it depends on previous rolls I know you get the idea
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post Oct 5 2015, 07:58
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Oct 4 2015, 03:25) *

yup , I think arena drop get nerf by tenb (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

Yes, absolutely. I've been complaining about this for quite some time.

When I started playing, I would get better than 10 pieces of equipment when I was Endgame and below. Over the weeks I have seen drops go down to less than 5. Usually 1-2 even on ED/EoD but never more than 5.
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