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post Oct 3 2015, 17:57
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QUOTE(m118w11 @ Oct 3 2015, 21:44) *

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Just want to add one more possibility that could push a bidding price higher: shill bidding.
I mighta been trapped recently, but I couldn't prove it. EsotericSatire was probably a victim of shill bidding as well, judging from the IRC chat log.

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I do want to add if you have never played MMO type games, 10% is a shit ton. Back when I was raiding, people were jizzing over 'small' bonuses like 10%. Your character gets strong when you get a ton of these small bonuses.

You can say that again.

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post Oct 3 2015, 17:58
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Well, actually 62% block and 65,5% block is 10% damage difference. So with high numbers few % can give big advantage.
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post Oct 3 2015, 17:59
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 3 2015, 15:57) *

But for almost all cases, {...} including this one {...} , we already know the base stat (forged or not), and going into the components that make it up isn't really useful information.
followed by techbabble-nonsense copypasta job. I enjoyed the ironical sum sign in it, but was reliefed you were not actually giving any mathematical accurate ratio for elemental strike. If you just had said : "Hey, we already have an answer. Thanks, but going in deep in theorycrafting (here) is not appreciated" would have been much shorter. I do like numbers, too, so ....

K+ for you, and let us shake hands, too. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 3 2015, 18:00
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Oct 3 2015, 23:57) *

Just want to add one more possibility that could push a bidding price higher: shill bidding.
I mighta been trapped recently, but I couldn't prove it. EsotericSatire was probably a victim of shill bidding as well, judging from the IRC chat log.

Which auction(s)? I like dramas (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Oct 3 2015, 18:09
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Oct 4 2015, 00:00) *

Which auction(s)? I like dramas (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Dunno much about Eso's situation. As for me, it's a private auction, not the usual ones seen in WTS.
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post Oct 3 2015, 18:12
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I swear guys, this "yuki nagato" thingy is the true final boss of the "End of Days" arena... Stops 90% of my normal attacks, never get's the bleeding effect on it, when it starts using skills it won't stop. It even attacked me while it was stunned!!! Every turn this monster comes out i can literally hear it singing "indestructible masters of war"...

Anyway, a question.
Since i couldn't find any decent weapon from drops (and i have almost no credits left to buy anything decent at the WTS) i bought at the bazzar a :
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=086096e2af
It was 100 levels above me so I soulfused for 75 shards and we are ready to roll.
Well i know it's nothing special, but i was for days without a decent weapon, something that made my clears VERY VERY VERY slow, so... despair strikes.
Well guess what... Now i found:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f9bd31c12f
Pretty much the same weapon, but magnificent instead of exquisite, with agility instead of dexterity.
Now...
It takes me thirtysomething rounds (i don't remember... 38 rounds i think) of IW for the 1st weapon and 52 rounds for the second!
Considering how the 1st weapon had a good startup with the power ups, (getting butcher, that i think is the best), and the second one doesn't look like that much better, do i just bazzar the magnificent one and IW the first one at this point to level 10 in order to finally manage and get some good clears at the fights or do i salvage the exquisite one and focus on the magnificent one WHEN i'll have 50 soul fragments again?
(52 rounds of IW is a lot for me right now... Still waiting for the lv.250 powerspike).
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post Oct 3 2015, 18:14
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Oct 4 2015, 00:09) *

Dunno much about Eso's situation. As for me, it's a private auction, not the usual ones seen in WTS.

damn there are private auctions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
But isn't that counter productive you want the most people to see your goods
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post Oct 3 2015, 18:19
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QUOTE(Epion @ Oct 3 2015, 23:12) *

I swear guys, this "yuki nagato" thingy is the true final boss of the "End of Days" arena... Stops 90% of my normal attacks, never get's the bleeding effect on it, when it starts using skills it won't stop. It even attacked me while it was stunned!!! Every turn this monster comes out i can literally hear it singing "indestructible masters of war"...

Anyway, a question.
Since i couldn't find any decent weapon from drops (and i have almost no credits left to buy anything decent at the WTS) i bought at the bazzar a :
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=086096e2af
It was 100 levels above me so I soulfused for 75 shards and we are ready to roll.
Well i know it's nothing special, but i was for days without a decent weapon, something that made my clears VERY VERY VERY slow, so... despair strikes.
Well guess what... Now i found:
http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=f9bd31c12f
Pretty much the same weapon, but magnificent instead of exquisite, with agility instead of dexterity.
Now...
It takes me thirtysomething rounds (i don't remember... 38 rounds i think) of IW for the 1st weapon and 52 rounds for the second!
Considering how the 1st weapon had a good startup with the power ups, (getting butcher, that i think is the best), and the second one doesn't look like that much better, do i just bazzar the magnificent one and IW the first one at this point to level 10 in order to finally manage and get some good clears at the fights or do i salvage the exquisite one and focus on the magnificent one WHEN i'll have 50 soul fragments again?
(52 rounds of IW is a lot for me right now... Still waiting for the lv.250 powerspike).

that exq rapier got better PAB while that mag rapier is better in WD but suck in PAB ~ missing AGI is not a big deal for 1H heavy (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I think it's better just use that exq until you can find/buy mag xxxx rapier of slaughter with good WD and 3 PAB (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Oct 3 2015, 18:25
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QUOTE(Frederiksc @ Oct 3 2015, 15:59) *
followed by techbabble-nonsense copypasta job. I enjoyed the ironical sum sign in it, but was reliefed you were not actually giving any mathematical accurate ratio for elemental strike. If you just had said : "Hey, we already have an answer. Thanks, but going in deep in theorycrafting (here) is not appreciated" would have been much shorter. I do like numbers, too, so ....
Ahh... I forgot to put in a 0.5 multiplier for elemental strike. And probably some other things as well. The sum was supposed to be literal - sum of ADB bonus from all equipment. Maybe I should have just typed {some big equation}.
QUOTE(Epion @ Oct 3 2015, 16:12) *
I swear guys, this "yuki nagato" thingy is the true final boss of the "End of Days" arena... Stops 90% of my normal attacks, never get's the bleeding effect on it, when it starts using skills it won't stop. It even attacked me while it was stunned!!! Every turn this monster comes out i can literally hear it singing "indestructible masters of war"...
"yuki nagato thingy"
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A rapier like the ones you have will be much more effective against bosses and schoolgirls than shortsword or axe (whatever you were using that gave BW).

You can also play the SG arenas on Normal or so - higher difficulty takes a whole lot more time and almost never gives anything worthwhile.

Dexterity is much better than Agility for all fighting styles - plus, you've already soulbound and IWd some on the Exquisite, so might as well keep going. It's not bad, go for it.
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post Oct 3 2015, 18:29
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QUOTE(Epion @ Oct 3 2015, 18:12) *

I swear guys, this "yuki nagato" thingy is the true final boss of the "End of Days" arena... Stops 90% of my normal attacks, never get's the bleeding effect on it, when it starts using skills it won't stop. It even attacked me while it was stunned!!! Every turn this monster comes out i can literally hear it singing "indestructible masters of war"...

never tried RL, right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

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damn there are private auctions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

really? HV is more dark than what we thought... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
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post Oct 3 2015, 18:37
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post Oct 3 2015, 18:41
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Oct 3 2015, 23:58) *

Well, actually 62% block and 65,5% block is 10% damage difference. So with high numbers few % can give big advantage.

How to do the calculation to get the "10%" result?

QUOTE(Void Domain @ Oct 4 2015, 00:14) *

damn there are private auctions (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
But isn't that counter productive you want the most people to see your goods

In need of quick money, avoiding the 10% service fee, faster transaction, when failing to sell just sending the stuff to a public auction, etc.

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post Oct 3 2015, 18:46
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never tried RL, right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


RL?
Real life? Why try to play "real life" when you have a pc? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

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post Oct 3 2015, 18:46
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Oct 4 2015, 00:41) *

How to do the calculation to get the "10%" result?

345/380 for damage or (345/380)^-1 for ehp (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
think if you have 98% block +1% block is +100% toughness
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Take any number. Lets say 60%. Than incoming damage is 40% and 40/1,1=36,36. So 60%-->63,64% is 10% difference in incoming damage.
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QUOTE(Epion @ Oct 4 2015, 00:46) *

RL?
Real life? Why try to play "real life" when you have a pc? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)

There is a boss named real life (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Oct 3 2015, 18:53
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Oct 3 2015, 16:49) *

There is a boss named real life (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)


I know. I was trying to be funny (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)
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post Oct 3 2015, 18:56
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 3 2015, 18:25) *

...sum of ADB bonus from all equipment...

Relax. Here, take a Wiki:
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Base physical damage = (log(3330 + STR * 2 + DEX , 1.0003) - 27039.81) + (weapon_prof * TYPE) + (equipment_Attack_Damage_Bonus)

equipment_Attack_Damage_Bonus = sum of i to n adb_item(i), n = items equipped.


QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 3 2015, 18:29) *

never tried RL, right? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
really? HV is more dark than what we thought... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

HV is more dark than deep web. Just look around you. Ponies and boobies. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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QUOTE(Epion @ Oct 3 2015, 18:53) *

I know. I was trying to be funny (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif)

it was a nice start (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE(Frederiksc @ Oct 3 2015, 18:56) *

HV is more dark than deep web. Just look around you. Ponies and boobies. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)

yup. and with fusion skin... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Oct 3 2015, 23:41
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Oct 2 2015, 22:31) *

Depends on budget a bit, but at the moment imperil mage is quite good. Or i d say non-imperil (low diff) doesnt give much rewards. You need 5 phase or 4 phase and 1 cotton with L+ prof and at least 20-30 prof forge. Both works ok and result is usually near same. 5 phase has slightly higher damage and 4+1 has faster cast, higher counter-resist and lower mp price. After that staff and destruction is better (specially with forge and 5 phase), but its also more expensive. Edb staff doesnt price much, with low budget we can forge edb easily and if destruction has only ~60 edb which wont give much, than for edb staff with 90-100+ its already quite solid. But generally if destruction has good rolls than its better to buy it. Forge could be done later, but gear doesnt rly.

Thats mostly all. Gain staff/elem/depr prof, cast imperil on all mobs and ordinary rotation with 3 spells.

QUOTE(djackallstar @ Oct 2 2015, 23:19) *

Mostly agreed. Just wanna add some more points.
- Beside 5+0 and 4+1, 3+2 is also feasible, especially for those with a tight budget.
- Best cotton slot in 4+1 is body. Legs is the second best choice.
- Best cotton slots in 3+2 are head and hands. Hands + foot is the second best choice.
- The mp cost of 5+0 could be close to, or even lower than that of 4+1 when heavily forged, because phase has much higher WIS than that of cotton; however, 5+0 has a significant drawback: lower counter-resist. You may need to have a willow staff or Lv.3 ~ Lv.5 penetrator to compensate that.

Thank you both for your reply. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

So, the best staff for elemental wind is the Tempestuous Willow Staff of Destruction? I always thought it was the matching prefix-suffix Temp Redwood staff of Freyr...

Anyway, so far I have this:
Legendary Tempestuous Redwood Staff of Destruction
Magnificent Radiant Phase Cap of Freyr
Legendary Radiant Phase Pants of Freyr
My plan now is to get 4+1 Cotton Body, and later when my budget/luck allowes it, change to 5 phases.

So, how should I IW my staff? Penetrator 5 + Economizer 5 ??
And for my clothes, HP 5 is the goal? Or it's better to sacrifice some levels of HP in order to get some MP also, let's say HP 3 + MP 3 + something else

Finally, about the gameplay, I guess there is not a perma-spirit stance as in 1H, so how should I manage Spirit Stance and Overcharge?

Thanks
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