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Oct 2 2015, 20:57
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gynew
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Hey experts, which is the best strategy / way to play Elemental Mage? I've always played Melee, and I'm considering to switch to Elemental (Wind). So I'd like to know how to play it as efficiently as possible. Thanks a lot (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Oct 2 2015, 21:23
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 2 2015, 20:44) 
2. IW on your rapier is pretty bad. i'd have redone it as soon as both overpower and swift did pop out or something else that would have ocmpromised my run towards fatality 5.
well... didnt think about important IW upgrades back then^^ and now its not wise to use 10 shards for it ;p looking for a legendary rapier already .. dark i hope
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Oct 2 2015, 21:40
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tetron
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 3 2015, 00:14)  hf won't let it go for less than 6-digits amounts or so, and maha is pretty much MIA.
6 digit? ROFLMAO. He demanded a 8-digit amount. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) And Maha just didn't want to sell it. For him it was a memento of something. QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 3 2015, 00:14)  however you're wrong, there are surely 3 known similar items (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif) QUOTE(jacksonville @ Oct 3 2015, 00:20)  Kite Shields of the Battlecaster? I only have one (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif) Which collector can collect a collectible item from another collector? Especially from him? Not possible. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) This post has been edited by tetron: Oct 2 2015, 21:42
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Oct 2 2015, 21:42
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Void Domain
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Oct 3 2015, 02:29)  somehow.. the mobs are getting a bit stronger now on PFUDOR for some reason, usually I had no problems to withstand the damage they deliver to me. SoL even triggered 2 times the last 100 rounds arena.. didnt even see that they damaged me that hard. been wondering if I should use Shadow veil for Pfudor runs? but that would decrease my effectiveness of 1H ( block - stuns to the mobs )
If you have problem taking too much damage of course you should use shadow veil, it will increase your effectiveness because you cure less. It is especially true in gf.
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Oct 2 2015, 21:47
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(tetron @ Oct 2 2015, 21:40)  6 digit? ROFLMAO. He demanded a 8-digit amount. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) lol. didn't know this (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) QUOTE(tetron @ Oct 2 2015, 21:40)  And Maha just didn't want to sell it. For him it was a memento of something.
but this yes. he is quite nostalgic of a person. too bad, his inventory is really nice (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) QUOTE(tetron @ Oct 2 2015, 21:40)  Which collector can collect a collectible item from another collector? Especially from him? Not possible. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) no, why? you just have to find something he wants more than a particular piece you yourself want (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Oct 2 2015, 21:47
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Fap.Fap
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Oct 2 2015, 21:42)  If you have problem taking too much damage of course you should use shadow veil, it will increase your effectiveness because you cure less. It is especially true in gf.
but isnt the plus of 1H the stuns / counterattacks thus the extra damage from that.. so block chance / parry is nice but evade chance would make that less effective... or is it normal to use SV in GF etc?
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Oct 2 2015, 21:53
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tetron
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 3 2015, 01:17)  but this yes. he is quite nostalgic of a person. too bad, his inventory is really nice (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Did you know that he bought it for 10k from an auction? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 3 2015, 01:17)  but this yes. he is quite nostalgic of a person. too bad, his inventory is really nice (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Problem is, I don't think I can offer him anything he doesn't already have. He was already a collector far before I became one. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Oct 2 2015, 21:54
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Fap.Fap @ Oct 2 2015, 21:47)  but isnt the plus of 1H the stuns / counterattacks thus the extra damage from that.. so block chance / parry is nice but evade chance would make that less effective
exactly. if you note it, he told you 'if you have trouble' - SV in conjunction with 1H is only meant as last resort. before doing this you can forge block, parry, raising your ADB, mitigations, lowering difficulty... (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Oct 2 2015, 21:56
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(tetron @ Oct 2 2015, 21:53)  Did you know that he bought it for 10k from an auction? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) i guess so. but i think it was back when 10k were still a nice amount, isn't it? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) QUOTE(tetron @ Oct 2 2015, 21:53)  Problem is, I don't think I can offer him anything he doesn't already have. He was already a collector far before I became one. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) no, why? [x2] there's always something he doesn't have. i have gaps in my collection, you do, and he does as well. it's obvious (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Oct 2 2015, 22:10
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tetron
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 3 2015, 01:26)  i guess so. but i think it was back when 10k were still a nice amount, isn't it? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/unsure.gif) Most probably. QUOTE(Scremaz @ Oct 3 2015, 01:26)  no, why? [x2] there's always something he doesn't have. i have gaps in my collection, you do, and he does as well. it's obvious (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) Hmm. You have a point. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/ph34r.gif)
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Oct 2 2015, 23:40
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What is the best way to make money as a lvl 200? My bank is dwindling due to the training. Also, what should be my expected proficiency levels?
Lastly, token of blood is so rare...
This post has been edited by name censored: Oct 2 2015, 23:42
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Oct 3 2015, 00:24
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edu5ardo
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staffs of focus and economizer is posible?
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Oct 3 2015, 00:36
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(edu5ardo @ Oct 3 2015, 00:24)  staffs of focus and economizer is posible?
no
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Oct 3 2015, 00:47
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Frederiksc @ Oct 2 2015, 15:10)  IA is designed in my eyes to save you turns, so IA only "short-running" spells, like protection etc. So get rid of frequent casting those. Long running "high-cost" spells like Heartseeker are not valuable for IA if you refresh them by channeling. Actually, Protection has one of the longest durations. (shouldn't a 400 player know this...?) QUOTE(Frederiksc @ Oct 2 2015, 15:10)  IA is also a boost to mana reg. With the running cost exactly at "casting costs / round" you get some valuable discount. I have IA3 and have not assigned a spell to it. This is due to the fact, that I need the mana reg to compensate for massive Imperil and Silence usage. (Yes, I also have RR to minimize pots)
VV grants you 10% HP. A thing which kicks in after all HP calculation is done. A plus of 10% solid. This even makes forging END more valuable. The only negative thing about VV is Spirit Shield kicking in 3-5% dmg later, but you should be able to get this compensated with ease. The decreased mana regeneration due to using IA (negligible) is well worth the extra turn and mana saved every time a rebuff becomes necessary. To rebuff, spending an extra turn and spending ~43% more (average) mana is not good - spending more mana and time just for the chance of Channeling is a bad trade-off.
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Oct 3 2015, 01:51
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Frederiksc
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 3 2015, 00:47)  Actually, Protection has one of the longest durations. (shouldn't a 400 player know this...?)
Oh, well it is the buff I start to cast after 20% of the arena, and Shadow Veil after ~33%. Haste and Spirit Shield are on IA. Heartseeker is not IA-able and Regen is not necessary all the time. I still play below 10 pots / elixiers, kind of stuck in the no-restock system, but why waste ressources for something you get later for free in the round when using spirit theft and focus... Yes, I do have dark/holy prof at my level, but I do not plan to do maging. I use t1 dark with focus for spirit and when channeling is active t3 holy for a little extra dps also t3 dark when spirit points are below 75%. So Protection came first in my thoughts while speaking of "short-timed" buffs... My mistake. If you are now thinking why I cast Protection and Shadow Veil so late, I use a mace. So I do stun all mobs in the first third of an arena (mostly). Therefore also the massive use of Silence, since mobs get an "extra turn" after a stun. QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 3 2015, 00:47)  The decreased mana regeneration due to using IA (negligible) is well worth the extra turn and mana saved every time a rebuff becomes necessary. To rebuff, spending an extra turn and spending ~43% more (average) mana is not good - spending more mana and time just for the chance of Channeling is a bad trade-off.
Well, I prefer not using pots therefore I need regen maxed. You have a Gold Star. Did your play-style not change after having your regen boosted? RR does the same for me. Maybe I try maging when I also have a Gold Star, but until then (if ever) I stick to my Arcanist gear. Yes, I do know the numbers of my play-style, but somehow I like it in that way.
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Oct 3 2015, 03:03
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(Frederiksc @ Oct 2 2015, 23:51)  I still play below 10 pots / elixiers, kind of stuck in the no-restock system, but why waste ressources for something you get later for free in the round when using spirit theft and focus... Yes, I do have dark/holy prof at my level, but I do not plan to do maging. I use t1 dark with focus for spirit and when channeling is active t3 holy for a little extra dps also t3 dark when spirit points are below 75%. So Protection came first in my thoughts while speaking of "short-timed" buffs... My mistake. The opportunity cost (average income gained per turn) of spending many turns using Focus and Spirit Theft is surely higher than the value of the "free" resources gained. There's just no need for either of those anymore, given unlimited items, and the low cost of those items. Well, I guess you can play like that if you really feel like crippling your time-efficiency - it's yours to spend, after all. I didn't even notice a difference when I got additional regen from the Star. I still played exactly the same - cast buffs when they run out, use mana item when mana gets low. Maybe I use slightly fewer mana draughts with the Star regen, but it's near unnoticeable as well as being a non-issue regardless, since mana is never close to low enough that potions/elixirs are needed. This is reminding me of Qwerty from the suggestion thread. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Oct 3 2015, 03:10
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Frederiksc
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Oct 3 2015, 03:03)  I didn't even notice a difference when I got additional regen from the Star.
With 700 WIS you surely would notice ^^ I am planning to get 800 by 420 This post has been edited by Frederiksc: Oct 3 2015, 03:14
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Oct 3 2015, 05:27
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mozilla browser
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hmm, you are playing melee (1h?) with over 700 WIS?
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Oct 3 2015, 05:31
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nec1986
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QUOTE(gynew @ Oct 2 2015, 21:57)  Hey experts, which is the best strategy / way to play Elemental Mage? I've always played Melee, and I'm considering to switch to Elemental (Wind). So I'd like to know how to play it as efficiently as possible. Thanks a lot (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Depends on budget a bit, but at the moment imperil mage is quite good. Or i d say non-imperil (low diff) doesnt give much rewards. You need 5 phase or 4 phase and 1 cotton with L+ prof and at least 20-30 prof forge. Both works ok and result is usually near same. 5 phase has slightly higher damage and 4+1 has faster cast, higher counter-resist and lower mp price. After that staff and destruction is better (specially with forge and 5 phase), but its also more expensive. Edb staff doesnt price much, with low budget we can forge edb easily and if destruction has only ~60 edb which wont give much, than for edb staff with 90-100+ its already quite solid. But generally if destruction has good rolls than its better to buy it. Forge could be done later, but gear doesnt rly. Thats mostly all. Gain staff/elem/depr prof, cast imperil on all mobs and ordinary rotation with 3 spells.
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Oct 3 2015, 06:01
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Frederiksc
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QUOTE(mozilla browser @ Oct 3 2015, 05:27)  hmm, you are playing melee (1h?) with over 700 WIS?
2h Shade, to be correct. Eth Mace of Balance (current patch with beefed ADB) to stop monsters evade or parry @ PF (~ 220% acc at my level), so I get almost all stunned after 2-3 hits and stop all incomming damage. The rest is all Shade Arcanist. This build is not maxed for damage at all. Its for a maximum uptime of Silence and Imperil, which need a good mana reg. Say it is an above medium survivability build in light armor tweaked to have benefits in catching up some damage compared to other more common light armor builds.
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