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No. The times of the "holy rainbow" rotation (T3 holy -> 4 x T3 elements, repeat) will not be back. At least I do not think 10B will let this "Uber-Mage" wander the HV again. Therefore the huge perk list for every single element to prevent the holy rainbow rotation and the drop on effects (explosions) to be non-crit and far less than 5*avg_spell.

AFAIK our gone member "Bunko" was a rainbow mage in "Priestess" gear, and quit after a patch splitting elements?

uhu, not that bad of an idea. the uber-mage (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
but i guess this was before the prefix era as well, right?

Yeah and now you kill some fire elementals with fireball like in every other rpgs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

I dont think buffing weak mobs will work because they are so few. And we will need to make 100s of every other mobs to balance out the giants and Arthropods.

nope. they are so few exactly because they are weak/uneffective, not the opposite (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

Where did people get the idea that holy was doing higher damage than elemental on imperiled monsters?

Well holy/dark mage reach their full potential (at lv 400) than elem mage (at lv 450)

I think the cut for the uber-mages appeared with the revamped abilities page ?

I have a hard time remembering every nerd-rage at each different patch.

This post has been edited by Falbala456: Sep 30 2015, 13:19

Its easy, isnt?
Base holy spells damage is 4,5/6/7,5 and elemental have 4-4,25/5,5-5,85/7-7,5. Its already lower for t1-t2. Many players dont have high lvl, so they not only have higher base, but also T3 4cd is much closer. But on high lvl its not so good, because holy mitg with imperil still remains. Oak staff have counter-resist, but lower prof and imperil reduces only 25 points.

Renember to go all the way, not stopping at spell damage. You get 9 targets on T3 elemental spells earlier (250 to 325), but get their "major" dps perk 7.43 to 7.5 (~1% base) at 450. Holy have max spell dps earlier, but after 450, numbers in base are equal again. As you can see, the early mage (310) is exactly between more t3 targets or more base. So anyone can decide without thinking which mage set to wear. In late game and haevy forging, numbers may be of interest. But as today, mage as you like.

I think the cut for the uber-mages appeared with the revamped abilities page ?

I have a hard time remembering every nerd-rage at each different patch.

I liked the nerd-rage as elitist-nerds proofed their arguments with numbers. You knew at patchday+2 what to get rid of and what to keep. These days we do not even have a enough nerds to calculate/update the wiki pages... Or figure out the mystical "i" in the item creation process... or a mathematically argueable theory on PXP...

Like Susskind stated in his Supersymetry Theory: "Many string theories can easily get rid of the Tachyion, but fail at describing the massless photon" Any theory which can not be failed by an experiment is a useless one. We lost our nerds to strings... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

I liked the nerd-rage as elitist-nerds proofed their arguments with numbers. You knew at patchday+2 what to get rid of and what to keep. These days we do not even have a enough nerds to calculate/update the wiki pages... Or figure out the mystical "i" in the item creation process... or a mathematically argueable theory on PXP...

what we know nowadays is 'patch day, no play' [dani cit.]

btw, was that uber-mage really so effective? or was it simply the only viable way because no prefixes on staffs & no imperil?

Like Susskind stated in his Supersymetry Theory: "Many string theories can easily get rid of the Tachyion, but fail at describing the massless photon" Any theory which can not be failed by an experiment is a useless one. We lost our nerds to strings... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

epistemology at its peak, coadiuvated by that mix of perverted masochism that affects every scientists worth this name (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I liked the nerd-rage as elitist-nerds proofed their arguments with numbers. You knew at patchday+2 what to get rid of and what to keep. These days we do not even have a enough nerds to calculate/update the wiki pages... Or figure out the mystical "i" in the item creation process... or a mathematically argueable theory on PXP...

Like Susskind stated in his Supersymetry Theory: "Many string theories can easily get rid of the Tachyion, but fail at describing the massless photon" Any theory which can not be failed by an experiment is a useless one. We lost our nerds to strings... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Who are you talking about? I only know 1 person skillchip does some big maths (or arithmetics at least). But I am pretty new to hv so (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

btw, was that uber-mage really so effective?

It took exactly 1 patch to let this mage theoretically (nerd-style!) out of the box, to collect a set with highest regen possible (Gossamer Priestess) and gain all elemtental skills (yes, they were parted those days), declare and proove numbers to other (mostly afterwards madly raging) arch-mages and to stop him with the next patch release.

HV was upside down, because there absolutely was a proofed "King" of all trades, not just a "Jack". Even I considered to shift and checked bazaars. Well that lastet a month or two. Then there was the split, a "better" Regen (max nerf and connected to holy), the "rebalanced" explosions (max nerf) and any Gossamer was just T2 Trash. Bunko took this a as personal offence (since he was able to proof and post numbers), and after arguing with 10B for a while about a "rebalancing", he was gone. To be more precise, the term "rage-quit" applies here.

I want to ask the way we compare the equipment ??
Ex: R1 and R2
Could you advise me which is better and explain to me why ??
And about Primary Attributes, how we compare between these two equipment, one thing have 2 PAB and one thing have 3 PAB, they different in type PAB and the amount of each PA is different ??
Well, English is quite difficult with me, hope you will understand what I'm writing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

jacquelope, you soon ll get 310 and its probably good for trying mage. First time with mage a bit pain on mid-high diff, because prof. But reward is also nice. Its my first hit.

7 16 Flames of Loki blasts Lich Blackmore for 106155 fire damage
7 15 Drinky Crow has been defeated.
7 14 Flames of Loki blasts Drinky Crow for 125504 fire damage
7 13 Flames of Loki hits Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 60844 fire damage
7 12 Asian Tiger Mosquito has been defeated.
7 11 Flames of Loki hits Asian Tiger Mosquito for 73215 fire damage
7 10 Flames of Loki hits Lance002 for 37647 fire damage (50% resisted)
7 8 Flames of Loki hits Witch Of Terrence for 18977 fire damage (75% resisted)
7 5 Flames of Loki hits Bottle Fairy for 40782 fire damage (50% resisted)
7 4 Deep Burns explodes for 5487 elec damage
7 2 Flames of Loki hits Priss Asagiri for 72948 fire damage

Thats ~440k damage. Holy should hit even harder. But many turns needed for casting imperil. At the same time imperil mage is cheap and it should be quite easy on something like nintendo.

can give battle log with T1 spells ?

Who are you talking about? I only know 1 person skillchip does some big maths (or arithmetics at least). But I am pretty new to hv so (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

talking about our math trashcat , is he still busy testing how hard this new patch affect newbie player ?

he got tenb approve to make new account to test it in request thread (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

can give battle log with T1 spells ?

Its almost in 2 times lower (per mob), but sure, why not.

11 13 Deep Burns explodes for 4811 elec damage
11 11 Fiery Blast hits Kirisame Marisa for 18207 fire damage (50% resisted)
11 10 Fiery Blast hits The One And Only for 46298 fire damage
11 8 Fiery Blast blasts Deadly Moth for 58838 fire damage
11 5 Fiery Blast blasts Ichy for 57406 fire damage
11 4 Deep Burns explodes for 2363 elec damage
11 2 Fiery Blast hits In Memorabilia Of Dark Sage for 22342 fire damage (50% resisted)

4 10 Deep Burns explodes for 4183 elec damage
4 8 Fiery Blast hits Kyoko Hori for 36272 fire damage
4 7 Fiery Blast hits Megumi Sakura for 50010 fire damage
4 6 Fiery Blast hits Mnp010 for 44657 fire damage
4 4 Fiery Blast hits In Memorabilia Of Darksage F2a for 48739 fire damage
4 2 Fiery Blast hits Firstuser2000 for 48467 fire damage

This post has been edited by nec1986: Sep 30 2015, 14:32

Nah, man, a married man simply cannot play HV endlessly when he has a family to tend to and kids that we homeschool. I got carried way with HV for a while and had to cut back severely. Seriously, it appears that people chug energy drinks around here like soda, suggesting stamina levels of 70 or even 50 or astoundingly lower are not uncommon: to clear that many rounds would take all night for me. So it's got nothing to do with hentai mags. Shit, I write some fairly far out hentai on Eka's Portal and she reads some of that. It's that neglecting one's family just ain't cool and HV kinda encourages that.

if you remember, one of my first suggestions for you when i heard you have family was to not be carried away too much by this game while you still could... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Please just play casually like me. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Who are you talking about? I only know 1 person skillchip does some big maths (or arithmetics at least). But I am pretty new to hv so (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

afaik, also sir jenga should be somehow an analyst...

It took exactly 1 patch to let this mage theoretically (nerd-style!) out of the box, to collect a set with highest regen possible (Gossamer Priestess) and gain all elemtental skills (yes, they were parted those days), declare and proove numbers to other (mostly afterwards madly raging) arch-mages and to stop him with the next patch release.

HV was upside down, because there absolutely was a proofed "King" of all trades, not just a "Jack". Even I considered to shift and checked bazaars. Well that lastet a month or two. Then there was the split, a "better" Regen (max nerf and connected to holy), the "rebalanced" explosions (max nerf) and any Gossamer was just T2 Trash. Bunko took this a as personal offence (since he was able to proof and post numbers), and after arguing with 10B for a while about a "rebalancing", he was gone. To be more precise, the term "rage-quit" applies here.

everytime i see about such rebalancings/ragequits i have the impression to be playing in a casino, with the house changing rules as needed (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
however, just another case of another person too caught up in the game imo

I want to ask the way we compare the equipment ??
Ex: R1 and R2
Could you advise me which is better and explain to me why ??
And about Primary Attributes, how we compare between these two equipment, one thing have 2 PAB and one thing have 3 PAB, they different in type PAB and the amount of each PA is different ??
Well, English is quite difficult with me, hope you will understand what I'm writing (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

personally i'd go for the first one. less PABs but better overall stats: longer PA duration - even if slightly lower chance, higher parry, lower BUR and higher DEX.
the lack of STR should only affect a bunch of ADB and SP points.
but since you're going 1H and counters are way more effective than regular hits, i'd raise the chance to block/parry (thus the chance to counter) rather than pure ADB by a measly 25 points or so...

[edit]: anyways, should you find at least an elemental prefixed (even if a 2PABs superior, as long as it has DEX) it would be quite better...

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 30 2015, 15:13

I have question about these things, they are sold in Mantra's shop:
b1 sell:25k
b2 sell:15k
b3 sell:15k
I wonder why the first one is more expensive than the others ?? And in particular PAB's side, which thing is best ??

I have question about these things, they are sold in Mantra's shop:
b1 sell:25k
b2 sell:15k
b3 sell:15k
I wonder why the first one is more expensive than the others ?? And in particular PAB's side, which thing is best ??

b1 is more expensive because of highest ADB.

I have question about these things, they are sold in Mantra's shop:
b1 sell:25k
b2 sell:15k
b3 sell:15k
I wonder why the first one is more expensive than the others ?? And in particular PAB's side, which thing is best ??

They are priced at a level mainly for new players to purchase. There isn't that much difference at that level.

b1 is more expensive because of highest ADB.

Doesnt b2 have the highest ADB of 8.47 compared to the 7.63 base of b1 and 7.65 of b3?

b1 is more expensive because of highest ADB.

Huh, I see b2 have higher ADB ??

They are priced at a level mainly for new players to purchase. There isn't that much difference at that level.

I know there isn't much difference about the price, I just want to know reason that it's price is higher, so I can know which equipment is more quality (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

7 16 Flames of Loki blasts Lich Blackmore for 106155 fire damage
7 15 Drinky Crow has been defeated.
7 14 Flames of Loki blasts Drinky Crow for 125504 fire damage
7 13 Flames of Loki hits Tsukiko Tsutsukakushi for 60844 fire damage
7 12 Asian Tiger Mosquito has been defeated.
7 11 Flames of Loki hits Asian Tiger Mosquito for 73215 fire damage
7 10 Flames of Loki hits Lance002 for 37647 fire damage (50% resisted)
7 8 Flames of Loki hits Witch Of Terrence for 18977 fire damage (75% resisted)
7 5 Flames of Loki hits Bottle Fairy for 40782 fire damage (50% resisted)
7 4 Deep Burns explodes for 5487 elec damage
7 2 Flames of Loki hits Priss Asagiri for 72948 fire damage

11 13 Deep Burns explodes for 4811 elec damage
11 11 Fiery Blast hits Kirisame Marisa for 18207 fire damage (50% resisted)
11 10 Fiery Blast hits The One And Only for 46298 fire damage
11 8 Fiery Blast blasts Deadly Moth for 58838 fire damage
11 5 Fiery Blast blasts Ichy for 57406 fire damage
11 4 Deep Burns explodes for 2363 elec damage
11 2 Fiery Blast hits In Memorabilia Of Dark Sage for 22342 fire damage (50% resisted)

4 10 Deep Burns explodes for 4183 elec damage
4 8 Fiery Blast hits Kyoko Hori for 36272 fire damage
4 7 Fiery Blast hits Megumi Sakura for 50010 fire damage
4 6 Fiery Blast hits Mnp010 for 44657 fire damage
4 4 Fiery Blast hits In Memorabilia Of Darksage F2a for 48739 fire damage
4 2 Fiery Blast hits Firstuser2000 for 48467 fire damage

With Fire and without Imperil??? What's your Magic score and prof factor? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)

Where did people get the idea that holy was doing higher damage than elemental on imperiled monsters?

May be because top players like you are using it? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)