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post Sep 26 2015, 02:57
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 26 2015, 02:51) *

Remember how we've had more than a few level 200-somethings using heavy armor reporting serious trouble with attacks that do more than their entire HP in damage? That's from those Magic SP attacks, the physical attacks go through mitigation as well as having significantly less base damage. Even with Spirit Shield at 200, it's tough, and before 200, it's suicidal (unless the player knows enough to identify and has the firepower to kill the powerful Sprites and Celestials before they get full SP).


I'm often taking 250 spirit damage attacks, once you get spirit shield it should probably have 100% uptime.
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post Sep 26 2015, 04:16
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I have some things I'd like to report, if it would help your research? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Firstly, I was advised to switch from Club to Rapier around my level 150. I switched from a bad exquisite Club 30 levels lower than me to a good superior Rapier I was lucky enough to have just collected. My clear times immediately dropped and I noticed I was using Cure a lot more than before, whereas originally I could simply cut through swathes of monsters with my HP never dropping below 70%.

Secondly, although I don't (or didn't - thanks scremaz (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) have any power Armor, I can say very confidently that plate armor is a lot worse than leather armor at my level. Without a usable Spirit Shield plus an absymal Block, using plate almost always meant defeat near the last rounds of arenas using my usual difficulty settings, and I lost every single Nintendo RE I tried with plate on. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Evade is pretty important a factor in my clearing REs and Arenas atm and light Armor helps immensely. Yay for leather (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I'll shift to heavy as soon as I get a 25% SS and Greater Block. Until then... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Edit: forgot 2 things. resist has been really helpful for me as I can often reduce those >my_max_HP Magic attacks to 25% or 10%. Also, I'm not entirely sure whether clubs are better than rapiers at my level, since I haven't used a Club in a while, but I'm starting to see some high mitigation monsters. So rapier should have the edge right now.

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post Sep 26 2015, 04:27
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QUOTE(Uyappy @ Sep 26 2015, 09:16) *

I have some things I'd like to report, if it would help your research? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Firstly, I was advised to switch from Club to Rapier around my level 150. I switched from a bad exquisite Club 30 levels lower than me to a good superior Rapier I was lucky enough to have just collected. My clear times immediately dropped and I noticed I was using Cure a lot more than before, whereas originally I could simply cut through swathes of monsters with my HP never dropping below 70%.

Secondly, although I don't (or didn't - thanks scremaz (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) have any power Armor, I can say very confidently that plate armor is a lot worse than leather armor at my level. Without a usable Spirit Shield plus an absymal Block, using plate almost always meant defeat near the last rounds of arenas using my usual difficulty settings, and I lost every single Nintendo RE I tried with plate on. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Evade is pretty important a factor in my clearing REs and Arenas atm and light Armor helps immensely. Yay for leather (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

I'll shift to heavy as soon as I get a 25% SS and Greater Block. Until then... (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

rapier for IWBTH and PFUDOR (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Sep 26 2015, 04:44
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 26 2015, 05:28) *

maybe comes a bit later. unlocking lv250's 'better block' ability surely helps.

however, what do you usually do?


i usually start with a scroll of life then start to pop buffs, ss, regen protection haste sv, if i get the chance, i oso pop that physical dmg buff. usually halfway through buffing i get my ass kicked. so i suppose im doing something wrong somewhere.

my mitigation is as follows, 56.6% pmit, 52% mmit, 35.7% block, 32.5% parry, 10.8% resist chance.
counterattack on block/parry 66%
24.8% crushing mit / 36.4% slash mit / 35.4% pierce mit

maybe its cos i was too greedy and went with all power armor.
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post Sep 26 2015, 05:02
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QUOTE(Uyappy @ Sep 26 2015, 02:16) *
Firstly, I was advised to switch from Club to Rapier around my level 150. I switched from a bad exquisite Club 30 levels lower than me to a good superior Rapier I was lucky enough to have just collected. My clear times immediately dropped and I noticed I was using Cure a lot more than before, whereas originally I could simply cut through swathes of monsters with my HP never dropping below 70%.

Edit: forgot 2 things. resist has been really helpful for me as I can often reduce those >my_max_HP Magic attacks to 25% or 10%. Also, I'm not entirely sure whether clubs are better than rapiers at my level, since I haven't used a Club in a while, but I'm starting to see some high mitigation monsters. So rapier should have the edge right now.
The difference you saw, of things suddenly becoming a lot tougher at 150, is the result of monster PL starting to skyrocket then:

Monster PL = ((Player's effective level) ^ 1.27) - ~247

A little before 150, monster PL stops being a linear function and becomes an exponential function. Needless to say, pretty much everyone starts experiencing a lot more trouble at that point. It might be hard with rapier, but it'd be even harder with something else. Clubs in particular are pretty redundant because you already have a few stuns each turn from counter-attack. (DW, on the other hand, loves clubs, because they don't have counter-attack and need the defense)
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maybe its cos i was too greedy and went with all power armor.
That's definitely the problem. Not enough defensive armor, not enough proficiency, maybe not enough toughness to endure having a resist stat of only 11%.
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post Sep 26 2015, 05:07
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 26 2015, 11:02) *

That's definitely the problem. Not enough defensive armor, not enough proficiency, maybe not enough toughness to endure having a resist stat of only 11%.


haha too used to being glass cannony in games
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post Sep 26 2015, 07:17
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 26 2015, 11:02) *

That's definitely the problem. Not enough defensive armor, not enough proficiency, maybe not enough toughness to endure having a resist stat of only 11%.


is it advisable that i fall back on my shade armor as i do not have much credits to spare to buy new regular leather ones.
helm, body,gauntlets,leggings, boots
p.s. and if ur wondering why the boots is the only odd one out, some1 beat me to it in the bazaar :<

or do i stick with my current power armor?
helm, body, gauntlets, leggings, boots

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post Sep 26 2015, 07:41
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haha too used to being glass cannony in games

you can be glass canon, go mage at 310 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Sep 26 2015, 07:43
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I switched to 1h a bit above 200 and it was already better than my 2h+light. In that times we had limited pots, so it was very important. And heavy with higher mp price still was better. Actually long time i had very low adb and my full slaughter set was a bit late. I dont remember exact, but maybe it was power of protection. Its very good in last patches after adb increase and its like perfect armor, because it has very solid adb and very-very high defense. But even with 1h high diff was very tough. I could do pf easily only after 300 and now i can do it even without any cure. So lvls for defense is quite important.
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post Sep 26 2015, 07:44
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QUOTE(Void Domain @ Sep 26 2015, 13:41) *

you can be glass canon, go mage at 310 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)


i wish :S im a mage at heart (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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post Sep 26 2015, 07:45
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Sep 26 2015, 13:43) *

I switched to 1h a bit above 200 and it was already better than my 2h+light. In that times we had limited pots, so it was very important. And heavy with higher mp price still was better. Actually long time i had very low adb and my full slaughter set was a bit late. I dont remember exact, but maybe it was power of protection. Its very good in last patches after adb increase and its like perfect armor, because it has very solid adb and very-very high defense. But even with 1h high diff was very tough. I could do pf easily only after 300 and now i can do it even without any cure. So lvls for defense is quite important.


so would u recommend me sticking to power armor or shade armor til i hit level 250++?
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post Sep 26 2015, 08:01
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I think its ok to keep heavy, because you ll get proficiency. If mobs hit hard, than use a bit lower diff or look for power of protection. Thats probably because you deal with new up to 2250pl monsters and many of em have full chaos upgrade. With time you ll get better spirit shield and any of that dangerous attack ll be only sp damage which is easy recovered with sp draught/pot/gems.

And btw if you wanna reroll to mage than you should collect many credits. Mage works only with very good attack. So you need at least 3-5m to get some decent staff/phase with slight forge. And first time ll be huge pain because proficiency.
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post Sep 26 2015, 08:10
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Sep 26 2015, 14:01) *

I think its ok to keep heavy, because you ll get proficiency. If mobs hit hard, than use a bit lower diff or look for power of protection. Thats probably because you deal with new up to 2250pl monsters and many of em have full chaos upgrade. With time you ll get better spirit shield and any of that dangerous attack ll be only sp damage which is easy recovered with sp draught/pot/gems.

And btw if you wanna reroll to mage than you should collect many credits. Mage works only with very good attack. So you need at least 3-5m to get some decent staff/phase with slight forge. And first time ll be huge pain because proficiency.


i should probably start saving to invest in those auto cast perks right? the road to being a mage sure looks tough.
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post Sep 26 2015, 08:50
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i should probably start saving to invest in those auto cast perks right? the road to being a mage sure looks tough.
IA is very nice, levels 1 and 2 are near essential. They might be better than spending credits on equipment, at your level, though it depends on how good (or not) what you currently have is.
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post Sep 26 2015, 09:17
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241 11 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
241 10 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Blood]
241 9 Arena Clear Bonus! [Magnificent Cobalt Plate Sabatons of Dampening]
241 8 You have obtained the title: Dovahkiin


took me 1,30h for the first time... with only 4890 attack base damage
2 precursor and overall maybe 4 low equipment drops... the only thing u release after it, is that u should never do it again ;D a arena with a low of mobs and fast clear time is thousand times better for drops^^
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post Sep 26 2015, 09:19
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Well, what is the best way to get quality equipment ?? As same Challenge Level, which will give higher chance for quality equipment, clear Arena and RoB, random encounter, or go to grindfest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Sep 26 2015, 09:22
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Well, what is the best way to get quality equipment ?? As same Challenge Level, which will give higher chance for quality equipment, clear Arena and RoB, random encounter, or go to grindfest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

arena is the best place to get some good equipment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
PFUfest if you strong enough to do alot of runs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

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post Sep 26 2015, 09:24
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241 11 Your HP and MP have been fully restored!
241 10 Arena Token Bonus! [Token of Blood]
241 9 Arena Clear Bonus! [Magnificent Cobalt Plate Sabatons of Dampening]
241 8 You have obtained the title: Dovahkiin
took me 1,30h for the first time... with only 4890 attack base damage
2 precursor and overall maybe 4 low equipment drops... the only thing u release after it, is that u should never do it again ;D a arena with a low of mobs and fast clear time is thousand times better for drops^^

congrats (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
at what difficulty that ?
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post Sep 26 2015, 09:25
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QUOTE(-Daiki- @ Sep 26 2015, 07:19) *
Well, what is the best way to get quality equipment ?? As same Challenge Level, which will give higher chance for quality equipment, clear Arena and RoB, random encounter, or go to grindfest (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
Best time-efficient method is RE on PFUDOR, but even if you play as many as you can in a day, you'll almost never find something good enough that matches your fighting style and weapon/armor type. PFUDOR FSM also has a decent chance of a high-quality drop. PF DwD gives a guaranteed Mag or higher, but it takes too long for non-mages.

Standard arenas and Grindfest nearly aren't even worth mentioning for equip drops.
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arena is the best place to get some good equipment (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
PFUfest if you strong enough to do alot of runs (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
No way.
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post Sep 26 2015, 09:35
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congrats (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
at what difficulty that ?



Pfudor ofc. thats why i got the title ^^
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