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post Sep 25 2015, 18:07
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 25 2015, 14:58) *

if your aim is *only* to download hentais, then you may go for the first clear bonuses at low difficulties (with whatever gear) and then convert credits into GPs (currently 1000GPs = 192C, so switching from C to GPs will allow you to 5x your download funds).

last word, stay away from playing daily if you can to (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Wow, I didn't know that thing until now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) I wonder why they make the archive download cost of GP cheaper than Credit's ??
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post Sep 25 2015, 18:26
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QUOTE(-Daiki- @ Sep 25 2015, 18:07) *

Wow, I didn't know that thing until now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

i needed some time to realize it as well (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

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I wonder why they make the archive download cost of GP cheaper than Credit's ??

well, the download power of 1GP is equal to the download power of 1C. though credits are way more versatile (if nothing else, they can be exchanged through MM (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) ), so it's natural that they are valued more
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post Sep 25 2015, 19:31
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Yeah i was familiar with the loot drop comparisons. But something has changed in a big way. I'm down from around 10 equipment drops in Arena levels all the way up to Eternal Darkness to 1 and 2 equipment drops there, persistently, given the same difficulty level.

Random Encounters used to never ever give me equipment drops, but now they are, consistently.

Is this because of my level or something?
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post Sep 25 2015, 21:36
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Should i soulfuse and iw this http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=0e0ebba9ec or this http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=65fac43b64 comparing to my current wep http://hentaiverse.org/pages/showequip.php...;key=1e3894e849 ?
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post Sep 25 2015, 21:37
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Ok, guys, i'm gonna bother you one last time and then i won't bother you again.
(Well.. i might do... but in that case i'll give you a cookie (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif))

Now seriously. From what i understand it's better to go 1H / Shield and heavy armor. Weapon to use Rapier.

I used all the artifacts from the bosses, i was saving till now and i got some VERY nice staff, so as far as equip is concerned, i'm covered.
However i wonder...

The reason why i picked light armor and 2H mace was cause the 1st time i tried to play at PFUDOR difficulty, i was using heavy armor 1H (axe) and shield and i got 1 shoted (was not using Spark of Life (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ), since the enemy did more than 2 times my max health in damage.
My strategy ever since has been full STR/AGL/DEX, low END and very low WIS with almost non existent INT.
In short i'm going full speed and full domino strike, with the hope that my attacks will stun the enemies (usually they do) and as long as i don't get 10 enemies at high difficulty, i devastate everything within seconds.
It was a very good strategy for arenas since it clears the 1st half of the arena in record time (if 4 enemies keep pressed 1 then 4 and they are all dead. If five press 3->1->5 and they are all dead, etc).

Now HERE is the question after all this blathering.
Since the danger to die is not from normal attacks, but mostly spells (and heavy armor does not cover that damage), is it not better to keep light armor and go double weapon using Rapier and Wakizashi?


I just cleared Ring of Blood "Flying Spaghetti Monster" at "hard" and Arena "The Trio and the Tree" at Nintendo using 2H mace and light armor without difficulty (always 100% hp), so i think that all in all, as long as you keep the buffs running, you are good to go with anything for the entire game. Spark of life covers lethal attacks and spirit stance devastates everything you can't kill quickly otherwise.
But let us be honest... You people have been there. You have seen it and you know it. You know what's coming after me next and i don't. So i'm asking you straight out.

Is the "Attack Speed Bonus" as good as i consider it to be, so I risk it all and go for max berserk mode Double Weapons Rapier+Wakizashi+Light Armor for low Burden and high damage with high speed, or the best way to go is really Heavy Armor+Shield+Rapier?

Thank you again for your time and all the help you are providing me.
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post Sep 25 2015, 21:51
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Could peerless club worth something for dual?
kkooll, i dont think you should bind any of that. But you can use rapier some time. Soulfuse is quite expensive stuff, think about it as Each fragment*10000 credits. This way you dont rly wanna spend much to get small benefits.

Epion, Actually if you can handle low diff than its ok to keep 2h. Main advantage of 1h is possibility to play pf without much attention, but pf is good for maximal income and not for the best credits/time.
UPD. Ive decided to test at hell. For me mace isnt very good. How many turns you doing to clear rounds?

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post Sep 25 2015, 21:59
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QUOTE(kkooll @ Sep 25 2015, 21:36) *

none. apart from the fact that peerless would be quite expensive to soulfuse, clubs of nimble aren't all that useful. but keep it anyways (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

QUOTE(Epion @ Sep 25 2015, 21:37) *

Now seriously. From what i understand it's better to go 1H / Shield and heavy armor. Weapon to use Rapier.

so far so good.

QUOTE(Epion @ Sep 25 2015, 21:37) *

I used all the artifacts from the bosses, i was saving till now and i got some VERY nice staff, so as far as equip is concerned, i'm covered.
However i wonder...

uh, alright. i guess...

QUOTE(Epion @ Sep 25 2015, 21:37) *

The reason why i picked light armor and 2H mace was cause the 1st time i tried to play at PFUDOR difficulty, i was using heavy armor 1H (axe) and shield and i got 1 shoted (was not using Spark of Life (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ), since the enemy did more than 2 times my max health in damage.

probably not even protection. but however...

QUOTE(Epion @ Sep 25 2015, 21:37) *

My strategy ever since has been full STR/AGL/DEX, low END and very low WIS with almost non existent INT.

i don't understand it. why having low HP/MP tanks? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif)
apart from the fact that 1H goes better with power armors, you'd better keep almost all stats even apart INT. leave also AGI behind if you go with heavy armors

QUOTE(Epion @ Sep 25 2015, 21:37) *

Since the danger to die is not from normal attacks, but mostly spells (and heavy armor does not cover that damage), is it not better to keep light armor and go double weapon using Rapier and Wakizashi?

good build as well

QUOTE(Epion @ Sep 25 2015, 21:37) *

Is the "Attack Speed Bonus" as good as i consider it to be, so I risk it all and go for max berserk mode Double Weapons Rapier+Wakizashi+Light Armor for low Burden and high damage with high speed, or the best way to go is really Heavy Armor+Shield+Rapier?

Heavy Armor+Shield+Rapier. safer and berserker (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)
at your point it's better to focus on only one set. shade + rapier + waki may be valid as well but currently you don't have the resources to pursue both builds
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post Sep 25 2015, 22:01
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QUOTE(Epion @ Sep 25 2015, 21:37) *

- snip -

btw, you're already speaking as if your main purpose isn't download hentai anymore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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post Sep 25 2015, 22:09
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Its the power of snowflake.
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post Sep 25 2015, 22:11
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Sep 25 2015, 22:09) *

Its the power of snowflake.

i guess so. next step? sacrificing konata's hair?
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post Sep 25 2015, 22:19
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 25 2015, 20:01) *

btw, you're already speaking as if your main purpose isn't download hentai anymore (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)


First things first. Many many thanks to both you and nec1986 for all the help.

I actually don't download blindly everything i see. I'm very selective.
Also if i have a doujin i find that i like and it's less that 30 pics (1-2 pages) i download it manually, pic by pic, so i'm actually using very little of my credits on that, but i'm still gathering them just in case (a h-game of 30+ pages that might cost 80K credits for example is something that in the past i would not even look, while now i can download it).
I have 600K credits that i'm keeping just for the main site (hentai downloads).
I know there are some hentai games i had seen in the past with insane costs that i couldn't afford before, but now as soon as i found them again i'll be able to download them (freaking bad memory, can't remember the titles (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ).

But anyway. The die is cast at this point.
1H/Shield/Heavy Armor. Here i come.
Many thanks again guys (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/happy.gif)
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post Sep 25 2015, 22:30
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 25 2015, 23:11) *

i guess so. next step? sacrificing konata's hair?

Who knows (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Actually im lazy after i got goldstar. And my first goal was to get access to ex version. I thought maybe i need more mod power to get it, so i started to play game. And now i have 400lvl.

Epion, 80k? Are you sure? I think even very big gallery without torrent cost not so much gp. Just convert it.
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post Sep 25 2015, 22:32
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QUOTE(Epion @ Sep 25 2015, 22:19) *

I have 600K credits that i'm keeping just for the main site (hentai downloads).

*cough* buy a few GPs *cough*



btw, a decent drop at least: Magnificent Ethereal Rapier of Balance (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

...without DEX (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif)
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post Sep 25 2015, 22:59
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QUOTE(nec1986 @ Sep 26 2015, 03:51) *

Main advantage of 1h is possibility to play pf without much attention


i tried pf RE with 1h shield heavy armor setup. 2 out of 3 RE i get my ass handed to me. i'm doing something wrong arent i lol or does the play pf without much attention part come in the later levels.
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post Sep 25 2015, 23:28
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QUOTE(izpekopon @ Sep 25 2015, 22:59) *

i tried pf RE with 1h shield heavy armor setup. 2 out of 3 RE i get my ass handed to me. i'm doing something wrong arent i lol or does the play pf without much attention part come in the later levels.

maybe comes a bit later. unlocking lv250's 'better block' ability surely helps.

however, what do you usually do?
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post Sep 26 2015, 00:06
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Hey Experts!

What's the best way to get exp/levels? Right now, I'm doing arenas Dreamfall through TTT at maximum difficulty (PFUDOR?) at 80+ energy each day, and that uses almost 100% of my energy for the day. Is it better to do that, or to spam grindfests (either high energy or normal energy)?

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post Sep 26 2015, 00:08
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Hey Experts!

What's the best way to get exp/levels? Right now, I'm doing arenas Dreamfall through TTT at maximum difficulty (PFUDOR?) at 80+ energy each day, and that uses almost 100% of my energy for the day. Is it better to do that, or to spam grindfests (either high energy or normal energy)?

Thanks.

first, do as many REs as possible. they have a multiplier for EXP.
then, do a few arenas as you're already doing
finally, fap every now and then (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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post Sep 26 2015, 01:53
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QUOTE(Uyappy @ Sep 25 2015, 12:33) *
Thanks for the advice about IA2 (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
Level 100 Adept Learner? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) I'm nowhere near that... should I be grinding that? I'm currently level 25 Adept, level 20 Scavenger, level 8 LotD, level 4 Quartermaster and level 1 Archaeologist.

Also, to reply to Superlatanium, I am indeed 1H, but I'm still using Leather. I see many of you experts suggest Heavy Armor, but I don't have enough ability points for the Heavy Armor abilities, have no heavy armor proficiency, plus I have no power armor (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) Some of my equips will have to be lvl 150 Superior Plate if I go Heavy Armor. Is it still worth it?
You're doing the right thing, Leather is very likely better than heavy armor until at least level 230, maybe 250. With heavy armor, you'll have serious mana issues, as well as being quite vulnurable to magic attacks, which are very dangerous before you have access to high levels of Spirit Shield. Stick with whatever you have (or whatever you're most comfortable with) until you can equip 2 or 3 decent Power equips at once.

The higher drop trainings add up to be pretty expensive, they pay off for those who grind a whole lot, but not much for lower level players. Getting Adept Learner to 100 or so should be your first priority.
QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 25 2015, 12:58) *
2. yep, surely it's worth it. if you don't have enough APs, you can reassign them from other abilities for free. heavy armor proficiency will eventually catch you up with levels. as for armors, well - you can start with protection/warding, and then eventually switch to slaughter when surviving isn't a matter anymore
I think this should not be recommended anymore, not until players are at a higher level. Not only do newer players now have trouble finding and equipping decent Exquisites, the equips they do have have significantly lower stats than newbies in the past had, due to level binding. (level 180 Exquisite still equipped at level 220 - which is not unlikely at all - could easily be worse than a terrible level 220 Superior. Having enough defense stats to warrant using Power is significantly more difficult now)
QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 25 2015, 17:31) *
Yeah i was familiar with the loot drop comparisons. But something has changed in a big way. I'm down from around 10 equipment drops in Arena levels all the way up to Eternal Darkness to 1 and 2 equipment drops there, persistently, given the same difficulty level.
Another one of the results of the few-monsters-per-round in the first two schoolgirl arenas.
QUOTE(kkooll @ Sep 25 2015, 19:36) *
Probably better to try to sell the Peerless, it's probably more of a high-level collector's item or hopeful investment for rebalancing than something that's a good choice for someone of your level to use. Like I've said before, I'd prefer an Exquisite rapier over a Peerless non-rapier because Penetrated Armor is just that good. (and 1h, which you should be playing if you want enough defense to survive higher difficulties, already has stun, so club proc is useless)
QUOTE(Epion @ Sep 25 2015, 19:37) *
Now seriously. From what i understand it's better to go 1H / Shield and heavy armor. Weapon to use Rapier.
Heavy armor is only good after you have enough innate toughness to forgo defensive armor (like plate and leather) and use Power / Power Slaughter. That'll probably be around level 240 or so - before then, I'd prefer leather, due to reasons above.
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The reason why i picked light armor and 2H mace was cause the 1st time i tried to play at PFUDOR difficulty, i was using heavy armor 1H (axe) and shield and i got 1 shoted (was not using Spark of Life (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/sad.gif) ), since the enemy did more than 2 times my max health in damage.
This is one reason why I don't think heavy armor is a good idea under ~240. Spirit Shield is low or nonexistent, and magic attacks can oneshot you.

Exquisite Rapier > Peerless anything else, on high difficulty, especially for players with low damage.
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Since the danger to die is not from normal attacks, but mostly spells (and heavy armor does not cover that damage), is it not better to keep light armor and go double weapon using Rapier and Wakizashi?[/b]
If you want a lot of defense from fighting style - which you should - best to play 1h. It has a lot more defense than dual-wielding (which can't block or parry magic attacks, which are likely what's one-shotting you).
QUOTE(Epion @ Sep 25 2015, 19:37) *
Is the "Attack Speed Bonus" as good as i consider it to be, so I risk it all and go for max berserk mode Double Weapons Rapier+Wakizashi+Light Armor for low Burden and high damage with high speed, or the best way to go is really Heavy Armor+Shield+Rapier?
Attack speed is not a useful stat, IMO. It doesn't increase your clear time - the number of average turns per round will be nearly the same.
Its benefits are:
(*) Very slightly longer buff duration, so slightly fewer turns wasted recasting buffs instead of attacking
(*) Slightly less damage taken due to monsters having less action time to hurt you, but with action speed instead of more useful stats like damage, it'll take longer for monsters to die, and during that time you'll take damage you wouldn't otherwise have taken - the overall effect may even be negative
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i tried pf RE with 1h shield heavy armor setup. 2 out of 3 RE i get my ass handed to me. i'm doing something wrong arent i lol or does the play pf without much attention part come in the later levels.
Getting seriously hurt by magic SP attacks? Your level might be slightly too low for heavy armor, especially if you can't afford the defense cut by using a few Power equips.

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post Sep 26 2015, 01:58
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so, basically going with trashy use-it-and-throw-away leather until lv220~230 or so before switching to power armors and start to use 1H still with leather armors?

i guess we may need a guinea pig to test this...

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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 25 2015, 23:58) *
so, basically going with trashy use-it-and-throw-away leather until lv220~230 or so before switching to power armors and start to use 1H still with leather armors?

i guess we may need a guinea pig to test this...
Remember how we've had more than a few level 200-somethings using heavy armor reporting serious trouble with attacks that do more than their entire HP in damage? That's from those Magic SP attacks, the physical attacks go through mitigation as well as having significantly less base damage. Even with Spirit Shield at 200, it's tough, and before 200, it's suicidal (unless the player knows enough to identify and has the firepower to kill the powerful Sprites and Celestials before they get full SP).

Another thing is that the main benefit of heavy armor - the ability to use Power / Power Slaughter - only happens after the player is lucky enough or wealthy enough to get a couple or more of those with non-terrible stats, which is very likely not the case before the mid 200s. And even if it is Power, if it's not soulfuse-worthy, it's not good to spend a decent chunk of money (for a player of that level) for something they'll be forced to unequip 30 or 40 levels later due to stats becoming Superior-equivalent or less.

Constant mana potions are also a likely requirement for low-level heavy armor players, which can get a bit costly for those sorts of players with very little income to begin with.

There's also proficiency. Most people start out with light armor and use it for a while - switching to heavy for the first time can be hard. A few might be intelligent enough to Spellspam attack through a crude IWBTH IW while not paying attention and get high proficiency, but almost everyone isn't. Sure, heavy proficiency will grow as they play, but in combination with all the other troubles that come with using heavy armor before ~250, it's quite painful.

Correct me if I'm wrong - I might be - but I'm pretty sure we've had our guinea pigs already, in the past few months of this thread (especially the last week or so, and today a few posts ago).
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