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Yep. I think so too. Even wiki says drop chance is 0,2 and base for arti is 0,1. If loot chance is 25%, than its 1/2000 monsters and or a bit higher than 4 for full run.

speaking of which, my trainers currently are as following:
should i improve something?

You can train a bit, but it can be a bit hard to payback. For example, arti price is 15k and it drops mostly like once per 4000 monsters. Its 3,75credits per mob and each training lvl is 1/10 of that. So if you wanna payback 292k, than you should kill 779k monsters. Its not very hard for very active mage, who kills 5k+ monsters each hour, but its still very solid amount. Quartermaster is quite cheap and its near same as archaeologist on high diff, but on low its not very good, because chance for L+ drops is rare and average gear price is low. But it cost only 150k, so it looks nice also. 30 scavenger is very solid and you shouldnt train it, because overall profit from that is very low (like 1/3 of archaeologist).

This post has been edited by nec1986: Sep 20 2015, 15:22

speaking of which, my trainers currently are as following:

CODE

                     Cost        Level

Scavenger            199,750     30/50
Luck of the Draw     935,186     18/25
Quartermaster        150,723      7/20
Archaeologist        291,561      3/10

should i improve something?

I will go for Scavenger and then the cheapest one.
Scavenger is for everything so its pretty good.

speaking of which, my trainers currently are as following:

CODE

                     Cost        Level

Scavenger            199,750     30/50
Luck of the Draw     935,186     18/25
Quartermaster        150,723      7/20
Archaeologist        291,561      3/10

should i improve something?

You don't have to train anything if you're not grinding much. But if you did, I'd prioritize Quartermaster and Archaeologist until the cost is maybe double the cost of Scavenger/LotD. Reasoning that +5% equipment drop and +10% Artifact drop should increase their respective drops the equivalent of several levels of Scavenger's +1% drop.

You don't have to train anything if you're not grinding much.

this does make sense.

But if you did, I'd prioritize Quartermaster and Archaeologist

this as well.

until the cost is maybe double the cost of Scavenger/LotD.

this not. should they both cost 2M before i stop it? or is there something that i missed? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

Reasoning that +5% equipment drop and +10% Artifact drop should increase their respective drops the equivalent of several levels of Scavenger's +1% drop.

speaking of which, iirc the base chance of artifact drops is 10%, while with maximum Archeologist is 12,5%, is it?

this does make sense.
this as well.
this not. should they both cost 2M before i stop it? or is there something that i missed? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
speaking of which, iirc the base chance of artifact drops is 10%, while with maximum Archeologist is 12,5%, is it?

Waaaaaaaaaaaaait

I would theoretically spend a total of 19,268,648 credits according to the wiki, to raise my chance of an artifact drop from 10% to 12.5%?

Somebody tell me that's not right...

speaking of which, my trainers currently are as following:

CODE

                     Cost        Level

Scavenger            199,750     30/50
Luck of the Draw     935,186     18/25
Quartermaster        150,723      7/20
Archaeologist        291,561      3/10

should i improve something?

Mine is this: (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

CODE

                     Cost        Level
Scavenger            105,247     25/50
Luck of the Draw     342,646     14/25
Quartermaster        387,368     10/20
Archaeologist        950,428      5/10

Will training Archaeologist some more result in a notable change? If I max it out, that is.

Well I got 11 chaos token in my last two PFUfests, I don't remember how many bloods I had before (I appears to be around 6 in the last fest). This is with tokeniser 2. 15/fest seems high with 0 tokeniser.

HuH? With Tokenizer 2?? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif)
*scratches head* I was thinking of getting Tokenizer 1 to see if it was any good or not, but now I think I'm good enough without any.
In the Arena, I get around ~15 Tokens per full clear nowadays, with a 3:2 ratio (Chaos:Blood).
While in the IWBTH GF, I also get around ~15 Tokens per full clear, but the ratio in this case is exact opposite, being 2:3 (Chaos:Blood).

speaking of which, iirc the base chance of artifact drops is 10%, while with maximum Archeologist is 12,5%, is it?

I heard that it's 20% at maxed state. Can anyone confirm it?

This post has been edited by tetron: Sep 20 2015, 16:25

I heard that it's 20% at maxed state. Can anyone confirm it?

100% of 10% is 20% of course. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
What you heard is max scav 10% to 12.5%

100% of 10% is 20% of course. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
What you heard is max scav 10% to 12.5%

Yeah I heard that for scavenger it's .1% per training level (So 25 level makes it a total of 12.5%), while for archaeologist it's 1% per training level (which makes it x2 at maxed state).

Huh. Seems like I'm not that bad on my training ahah.
Scav 30/50 / LoTD 12/25 / Quarter 8/20 / Archaeo 4/10.

I do remembr that both Quartermaster and Archaeologist also goes against each others, is that still true ? :>

503 now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

my scav train is around that lvl too (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

my LoTD is max (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

This post has been edited by nobody_xxx: Sep 20 2015, 17:34

No one like scav? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
Well to be fair scav will multiply your other 3 trainings, crystal and token perk, so its pretty solid.
In the end 25% is just a small number its all luck. Some guy got 4 peerless this month, so he is as least 10^10 times luckier than me

No one like scav? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
Well to be fair scav will multiply your other 3 trainings, crystal and token perk, so its pretty solid.
In the end 25% is just a small number its all luck. Some guy got 4 peerless this month, so he is as least 10^10 times luckier than me

in the end , all depend on RNG & luck , void (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

nah , don't have enough credits to training now (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cry.gif)

Scavenger gives small buff to all. Its better to increase only expensive loot (gear/arti) by higher amount. I mean sure there are amnesia and a bit crystals (which price droped huge), but its also huge amount of useless draughts/pots and so on and after all overall increase is low.

My trainings is 32/15(lotd)/12/6.

I do remembr that both Quartermaster and Archaeologist also goes against each others, is that still true ? :>

Yes. But tenboro says that those contradictory effects are "abysmally low". (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

No one like scav? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
Well to be fair scav will multiply your other 3 trainings, crystal and token perk, so its pretty solid.
In the end 25% is just a small number its all luck. Some guy got 4 peerless this month, so he is as least 10^10 times luckier than me

Crystals and shards don't generate enough money now. To make a profit, top gears are our only bet. So Quartermaster comes first. To grind, you need ED, which comes from Artifacts. So Archaeologist comes next. To boost their effects a bit, Scavenger comes after that. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Scavenger gives small buff to all. Its better to increase only expensive loot (gear/arti) by higher amount. I mean sure there are amnesia and a bit crystals (which price droped huge), but its also huge amount of useless draughts/pots and so on and after all overall increase is low.

Not to mention that LotD is not as good as it used to be.

This post has been edited by tetron: Sep 20 2015, 18:11

I would theoretically spend a total of 19,268,648 credits according to the wiki, to raise my chance of an artifact drop from 10% to 12.5%?

Somebody tell me that's not right...

uh, it seems i were wrong, my bad (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
however worry not, there are way more credit sinks in this game (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Mine is this: (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

CODE

                     Cost        Level
Scavenger            105,247     25/50
Luck of the Draw     342,646     14/25
Quartermaster        387,368     10/20
Archaeologist        950,428      5/10

hmmm... so only a little more quartermaster and archeologist than me. btw, surely archeologist price is growing pretty fast with levels. probably 4 will be my highest for a while (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)

I heard that it's 20% at maxed state. Can anyone confirm it?

100% of 10% is 20% of course. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
What you heard is max scav 10% to 12.5%

lol, right, right. i guess i was looking a bit too many cleavages when i wrote (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)

No one like scav? (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/mellow.gif)
Well to be fair scav will multiply your other 3 trainings, crystal and token perk, so its pretty solid.
In the end 25% is just a small number its all luck. Some guy got 4 peerless this month, so he is as least 10^10 times luckier than me

and ∞ more than me (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
however how high is your scavenger?

BTW, I have another question:

What is better?
1. Juggernaut lv.5 + Elecproof lv.5
2. Holyproof lv.5 + Darkproof Lv.5
3. Holyproof lv.5 + Fireproof Lv.5

however worry not, there are way more credit sinks in this game (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

Most notably, the AP training. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

BTW, I have another question:

What is better?
1. Juggernaut lv.5 + Elecproof lv.5
2. Holyproof lv.5 + Darkproof Lv.5
3. Holyproof lv.5 + Fireproof Lv.5

why not
Jug5 + Holy5?

however if i had to pick among those three, probably 1. Jug5 is nice to have and has higher value should you resell it.

why not
Jug5 + Holy5?

I wouldn't have asked if that was the case.

however if i had to pick among those three, probably 1. Jug5 is nice to have and has higher value should you resell it.

Its a soulfused piece.

I wouldn't have asked if that was the case.
Its a soulfused piece.

true enough. then, jug5 + elec5. elec is quite crappy but jug5 is still pretty solid of a choice. at my level and with VV perk, a single Jug5 piece is enough to give me +800 HP out of a 20.5k HP pool. heavy HP ability at 6/7 level (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

This post has been edited by Scremaz: Sep 20 2015, 19:09