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OC will be super useful wite manehattan project, IF have money. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I think I know what you mean by that since OFC isn't really high damage.

But don't you use OFC for crowd control?

I mean for me I found it most useful recently in the last 40 rounds of DwD which has 8+ mobs. OFC kills of all other mob which means less spirit damage and hence less pots used.

I find that in hitting the legendaries in ED and EoD, my 1H counter attacks wipe out all other mobs along the way. When she dies, the round is over better than 50% of all rounds, no matter what the difficulty. In the latter rounds of ED where there's 2 legendaries per round, killing them means killing all the mobs almost 100% of the time.

So maybe OFC is good for Hell+? But I ain't ever hitting EoD+ in Hell+ soooooooooo

I think maybe Fus Roh Dah is better?

BTW why do my Health, mana and spirit all take a HUGE NOSEDIVE when I switch from Equipment Set 1 to Equipment Set 2 WHILE USING THE SAME GEAR???

I have low ADB too (5.6k), but in my experience, 7-8 turns of double dmg is better than vital strike combo, mainly because of mp cost reduction, the dmg itself is only slightly higher. Once again, I'm comparing oc costs.

5.6k is low? Try 4737 with power slaughter gear.

BTW why do my Health, mana and spirit all take a HUGE NOSEDIVE when I switch from Equipment Set 1 to Equipment Set 2 WHILE USING THE SAME GEAR???

look at your abilities (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

your battle items, autocast skills, and hotbar are not the same between equipment sets either. Make sure you don't jump into battle unprepared, haha. Learned that the hard way.

This post has been edited by mondere: Sep 19 2015, 19:25

look at your abilities (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)

your battle items, autocast skills, and hotbar are not the same between equipment sets either. Make sure you don't jump into battle unprepared, haha. Learned that the hard way.

Wow, thank goodness I didn't go into battle with that... thanks!

I find that in hitting the legendaries in ED and EoD, my 1H counter attacks wipe out all other mobs along the way. When she dies, the round is over better than 50% of all rounds, no matter what the difficulty. In the latter rounds of ED where there's 2 legendaries per round, killing them means killing all the mobs almost 100% of the time.

So maybe OFC is good for Hell+? But I ain't ever hitting EoD+ in Hell+ soooooooooo

I think maybe Fus Roh Dah is better?

For me I find that going straight for SG generally results in higher draught/pot consumption since I kill SG relatively slowly which means by the time I finish killing one the other mobs have all taken turns in SP attacking me which if I'm unlucky with my block it depletes my sp. Although I cannot deny that it is actually faster in terms of time taken to clear rounds.

I still haven't tried Fus Roh Dah yet but from what I've read its fairly weak in terms of damage compared to OFC.

OC will be super useful wite manehattan project, IF have money. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Getting the Damage Perks instead will be a better choice. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

is better clear arenas and ring of blood in high difficulty hell nintendo iwbth or clear in normal for credits and buy items in forum?

Best credits/time is probably hell. But if you have enough time than its better to play pf. At your lvl it can be a bit hard, so maybe a bit later. But gears you ll get mostly from wts. Some selfdrop sometimes, but its more lucky and very rare.

How do you go about increasing your monster stats?

Is it better to pump stats that are actually helpful (int for magic type skill monsters, end for giants, etc) or is it better to just keep it all even for cheapest pl increases? Would the difference it stats even really affect battles won/killing blows and actually increase gifts?

What about chaos upgrades? Is it even really worth getting anything other than Scavenging. It seems like most gifting just comes from time rather than battle performance.

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Maybe it's a sign. The trick is to increase Fire resist so monsters can blaze it harder.

This post has been edited by mondere: Sep 20 2015, 00:21

Well, actually its more about luck. If you wanna better result (like 1 gift each day) than you should upgrade to 1k+. Exactly near 1k, because 500-700pl probably wont give more wins at all or it can be even less. Wins is player who die/flee from round with em. Low lvl players doing it more often than mid lvl players.

In theory stats can affect a bit and with low pl we can allow it, but in reality difference is very minor. Wins is usually pure luck. But it works more or less same way as our stats. So we can skip int/wis for melee and some resistances also. Same way there is small difference in chaos upgrade even for 1k monster. I dont remember when last time they killed me. I did only flee in pffest and here its all about luck and pl (because higher pl means higher chance to appear).

Small note about Scavenging, because its good for all mobs. Its quite easy to count, because if mob gives 1 gift each 3 days than per month its 10. For ideal result if all mobs gives near same reward than we just check what is better. Each upgrade gives us 0,5 gift in month. 4th lvl cost 4 chaos, so its 8 chaos/gift. If new monster cost 95 chaos than with 4 trainings its 95+1+2+3+4=105 for 10+2 gifts/month. Or 8,75 chaos/gift. In other words its better to train all monsters up to 4 scavenging than create new one. With goldstar+ its a bit different math, because double slots, but idea stays same.

^^^You need like a GODZILLION crystals to get to 1K ...

Getting the Damage Perks instead will be a better choice. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/duck.gif)

barons should have damage perk + manehattan project (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

^^^You need like a GODZILLION crystals to get to 1K ...

With the current price of crystal packs, it would only cost about 2.5m credits to reach PL 1000.

With the current price of crystal packs, it would only cost about 2.5m credits to reach PL 1000.

What's the lowest price you can get on them now? I'm seeing 30K in WTS.

What's the lowest price you can get on them now? I'm seeing 30K in WTS.

It is cheaper to buy stuff through the WTB forum though it might take some time for someone to fill the request.

Best credits/time is probably hell. But if you have enough time than its better to play pf. At your lvl it can be a bit hard, so maybe a bit later. But gears you ll get mostly from wts. Some selfdrop sometimes, but its more lucky and very rare.

Hell doesn't drop Leg, so it's a pretty terribly inefficient difficulty to play in.

What's the lowest price you can get on them now? I'm seeing 30K in WTS.

I offered 27k and got so many that my bank is broken

Hell doesn't drop Leg, so it's a pretty terribly inefficient difficulty to play in.

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/difficulties#Challenge_Level says hell is the first difficulty that they do drop in, is that outdated?

This post has been edited by mondere: Sep 20 2015, 07:58

barons should have damage perk + manehattan project (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)

Many people have at least 1 of the damage perks. But I doubt more than 30 people have the Cannon Perk.

Hell doesn't drop Leg, so it's a pretty terribly inefficient difficulty to play in.

Yup. Nintendo is now the bottom line. (IMG:[invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

I offered 27k and got so many that my bank is broken

In WTS or WTB?

http://ehwiki.org/wiki/difficulties#Challenge_Level says hell is the first difficulty that they do drop in, is that outdated?

Yes. That info is outdated.

Anyway, I have some questions:
Nowadays I get around ~15 Tokens from a full IWBTH Grindfest clear, with a 2:3 Ratio (Chaos:Blood).
I have no Tokenizer Perk.

1. What's the ratio for you guys?
2. And how many tokens do you get in average for a full clear? (Please mention the Difficulty)