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Sep 13 2015, 11:54
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Raurusama
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 13 2015, 11:31)  I was doing IWBTH RE tonight and I cast sleep... 3 mobs went snoring for 20 turns.
Didn't you have a nice rapier and good equipment jacquelope? Not up for PF REs yet? I'm sure I've got much worse stats than you and I've been doing PF since more than 50 lvls ago. Don't think you would have much problem, at worse I've got to use a mana and hp potion on top of the draughts.
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Sep 13 2015, 13:07
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Raurusama @ Sep 13 2015, 02:54)  Didn't you have a nice rapier and good equipment jacquelope? Not up for PF REs yet? I'm sure I've got much worse stats than you and I've been doing PF since more than 50 lvls ago. Don't think you would have much problem, at worse I've got to use a mana and hp potion on top of the draughts.
Like I've said, that thing still hits very hard. My neverending problem is defense. I often get 10 mobs out the gate in RE and by turn 2 they're critting like crazy. I do need to upgrade my equipment to Legendary and move away from Warding (4 of my armors are Warding) to Protection (I only have 2 Protection armors) or Slaughter (probably Protection, given my deficiency in defense). I could also use a shield block upgrade from 37 to mid 40something but that hardly exists at all until you hit the late 300s, right? Nonetheless I have done some PF RE and a lot of IWBTH RE recently as a warmup for future attempts at IWBTH and PF arena runs. The problem with that is I've seen only one Mag drop at all in the many IWBTH RE's I've done. I get superior at best. The payoff isn't proving to be worth it unless I want gargantuan amounts of EXP or bragging rights. Nevertheless I AM doing some PFs now. Oh, and I need a lot more cash so I can buy Haths to buy IA 1/2. This post has been edited by jacquelope: Sep 13 2015, 13:07
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Sep 13 2015, 13:28
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Raurusama
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 13 2015, 13:07)  Like I've said, that thing still hits very hard. My neverending problem is defense. I often get 10 mobs out the gate in RE and by turn 2 they're critting like crazy. I do need to upgrade my equipment to Legendary and move away from Warding (4 of my armors are Warding) to Protection (I only have 2 Protection armors) or Slaughter (probably Protection, given my deficiency in defense). I could also use a shield block upgrade from 37 to mid 40something but that hardly exists at all until you hit the late 300s, right?
Nonetheless I have done some PF RE and a lot of IWBTH RE recently as a warmup for future attempts at IWBTH and PF arena runs. The problem with that is I've seen only one Mag drop at all in the many IWBTH RE's I've done. I get superior at best. The payoff isn't proving to be worth it unless I want gargantuan amounts of EXP or bragging rights. Nevertheless I AM doing some PFs now.
Oh, and I need a lot more cash so I can buy Haths to buy IA 1/2.
I know your pain really, I do arenas on Hell since Nintendo feels much slower for not-so-much gain and tried IW on PF and the 34 rounds took so long. IA 1/2 is nice, moreso since I didn't bother casting haste before. I ended using all the money from TT&T and selling all my ED and a phozon I had to buy them. About upgrading to Legendary... sigh I still rock Fine gauntlets and a superior piece hahah. No legendaries for me. No slaughter either...
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Sep 13 2015, 13:40
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stryker115
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 13 2015, 19:07)  Like I've said, that thing still hits very hard. My neverending problem is defense. I often get 10 mobs out the gate in RE and by turn 2 they're critting like crazy. I do need to upgrade my equipment to Legendary and move away from Warding (4 of my armors are Warding) to Protection (I only have 2 Protection armors) or Slaughter (probably Protection, given my deficiency in defense). I could also use a shield block upgrade from 37 to mid 40something but that hardly exists at all until you hit the late 300s, right?
Nonetheless I have done some PF RE and a lot of IWBTH RE recently as a warmup for future attempts at IWBTH and PF arena runs. The problem with that is I've seen only one Mag drop at all in the many IWBTH RE's I've done. I get superior at best. The payoff isn't proving to be worth it unless I want gargantuan amounts of EXP or bragging rights. Nevertheless I AM doing some PFs now.
Oh, and I need a lot more cash so I can buy Haths to buy IA 1/2.
QUOTE(Raurusama @ Sep 13 2015, 19:28)  I know your pain really, I do arenas on Hell since Nintendo feels much slower for not-so-much gain and tried IW on PF and the 34 rounds took so long. IA 1/2 is nice, moreso since I didn't bother casting haste before. I ended using all the money from TT&T and selling all my ED and a phozon I had to buy them.
About upgrading to Legendary... sigh I still rock Fine gauntlets and a superior piece hahah. No legendaries for me. No slaughter either...
Getting hath would be a lot easier if you just use the HatH program or alternatively participate in the year-end lotteries hosted by Tenboro-sama
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Sep 13 2015, 13:47
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(Raurusama @ Sep 13 2015, 04:28)  I know your pain really, I do arenas on Hell since Nintendo feels much slower for not-so-much gain and tried IW on PF and the 34 rounds took so long. IA 1/2 is nice, moreso since I didn't bother casting haste before. I ended using all the money from TT&T and selling all my ED and a phozon I had to buy them.
About upgrading to Legendary... sigh I still rock Fine gauntlets and a superior piece hahah. No legendaries for me. No slaughter either...
Yeah I'm seeing posts about some runs taking 2 hours. That's not for me, I've got a family, too. But I've made some changes to my tactical (battle-time) and strategic (funds management) approach to HV in the last 2 days or so, given the advice I've received and data from HVstats and Battle Stats. Friday's and Saturday's credit haul has been double what it was in the past, my Pots and Draughts conservation is improving according to stats, and I am getting a better sense of my limits. I don't do anything under Hell mode, ever, except End of Days and Eternal Darkness, I'm even doing Hell/Nintendo for RoB in prep for PF FSM. I just need to get IA 1/2, improve my gear and get better stats and that's going to take millions of credits ASSUMING there's any LU gear left of that quality. There are better Rapiers than what I have but I need to be over 50-75 levels higher to even theoretically wield them with soulfuse; and again when EXPERTS are talking about 2 hour runs with superior weapons, and PF runs are not reportedly producing a lot of Mag/Leg gear... yeah, that's not encouraging. But I am getting those credits that I need and I'm getting them faster than I was a week ago.
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Sep 13 2015, 13:50
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Raurusama
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QUOTE(stryker115 @ Sep 13 2015, 13:40)  Getting hath would be a lot easier if you just use the HatH program or alternatively participate in the year-end lotteries hosted by Tenboro-sama
Yeah, if I had participated I would have a nice amount of hath by now. Unfortunately with work/studies far from home I tend to make as much as I can from the little time I have with family and friends on Xmas/year end. Hopefully there is one this year and I can remind myself to boot the laptop to check it, how long does it last and what do you have to do btw?
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Sep 13 2015, 14:44
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tetron
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QUOTE(Raurusama @ Sep 13 2015, 17:20)  Yeah, if I had participated I would have a nice amount of hath by now. Unfortunately with work/studies far from home I tend to make as much as I can from the little time I have with family and friends on Xmas/year end. Hopefully there is one this year and I can remind myself to boot the laptop to check it, how long does it last and what do you have to do btw?
You just have to make 1 single post in a particular thread. And voila, starting from the new next year, you get 1 extra hath per every dawn event you trigger. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Sep 13 2015, 15:43
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Uyappy
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Newbie here, I'd like to ask what are generally seen as the best potencies for each kind of equipment (in particular an axe)? I'm deciding whether to continue grinding item world or amnesia and start over. Thanks!
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Sep 13 2015, 16:02
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mutsdhr
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QUOTE(djackallstar @ Sep 13 2015, 08:23)  The effect of damage perks is calculated on the fly when hitting a monster. Character stats on the panel won't change after unlocking a damage perk.
Thx for the Info ! ^^
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Sep 13 2015, 17:02
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nec1986
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QUOTE(Uyappy @ Sep 13 2015, 16:43)  Newbie here, I'd like to ask what are generally seen as the best potencies for each kind of equipment (in particular an axe)? I'm deciding whether to continue grinding item world or amnesia and start over. Thanks!
You mostly should use only rapier for 1h (3xPA stacks from rapier gives double damage). All other weapons is much slower.
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Sep 13 2015, 23:12
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Raurusama @ Sep 13 2015, 09:55)  I kinda feel bad posting this after seeing what my fellow 2xx are finding and sporting but...
truth to be told, they are making me feel envious as well. nowadays it's quite rare for me to find even a crappy phase/power, letting apart an usable one (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) QUOTE(Uyappy @ Sep 13 2015, 15:43)  Newbie here, I'd like to ask what are generally seen as the best potencies for each kind of equipment (in particular an axe)? I'm deciding whether to continue grinding item world or amnesia and start over. Thanks!
at your level, you may want to look for a rapier: QUOTE(nec1986 @ Sep 13 2015, 17:02)  You mostly should use only rapier for 1h (3xPA stacks from rapier gives double damage). All other weapons is much slower.
in this case best potencies will be fatality/butcher for 1H style, and fatality/overpower for DW. however if you really want to stick with an axe, same considerations may be applied. but still, i'd rather go with a shortsword for more parry.
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Sep 14 2015, 01:33
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mondere
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Sep 14 2015, 07:27
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scrateur
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What is the most efficient way to grind the depreciating proficiency? I would like to see if I can't unlock the Silence spell since I read on the wiki it is a good tool to have.
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Sep 14 2015, 07:57
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(scrateur @ Sep 14 2015, 12:27)  What is the most efficient way to grind the depreciating proficiency? I would like to see if I can't unlock the Silence spell since I read on the wiki it is a good tool to have.
SG is the best place for me to grinding depre prof (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Sep 14 2015, 08:16
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ChanForu
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QUOTE(scrateur @ Sep 14 2015, 07:27)  What is the most efficient way to grind the depreciating proficiency? I would like to see if I can't unlock the Silence spell since I read on the wiki it is a good tool to have.
Used to be trio and the tree. Get to ygasdril or whatever on normal mode and spam the shit out of weaken with it maxed to the fastest possible using spellspam. Or IW a crude equip, kill all the monsters except one. and spam it with weaken with spellspam (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Sep 14 2015, 10:49
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Uyappy
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 14 2015, 05:12)  at your level, you may want to look for a rapier in this case best potencies will be fatality/butcher for 1H style, and fatality/overpower for DW. however if you really want to stick with an axe, same considerations may be applied. but still, i'd rather go with a shortsword for more parry.
That would require me actually getting a good rapier. :/ On the other hand, I've been mostly playing DW since I started. Wouldn't switching to 1H right now cost me a lot since I'm lacking tons of proficiency? Lastly: What weapons would be recommended if I'm doing DW? I'm running an Exquisite Axe of Slaughter on main and a Superior Wakizashi of Balance on off, plus a set of Light Armor (mostly Superior). Edit: After I posted this I immediately got a Superior Ethereal Wakizashi of the Nimble. Can anyone educate me on what 'Void Strike' does and whether this should replace any of my current weapons? This post has been edited by Uyappy: Sep 14 2015, 10:56
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Sep 14 2015, 10:56
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Uyappy @ Sep 14 2015, 15:49)  That would require me actually getting a good rapier. :/ On the other hand, I've been mostly playing DW since I started. Wouldn't switching to 1H right now cost me a lot since I'm lacking tons of proficiency? Lastly: What weapons would be recommended if I'm doing DW? I'm running an Exquisite Axe of Slaughter on main and a Superior Wakizashi of Balance on off, plus a set of Light Armor (mostly Superior). Club + rapier is the best setup for Dw light (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Sep 14 2015, 11:01
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Superlatanium
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Sep 14 2015, 05:57)  SG is the best place for me to grinding depre prof (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif) Crude IW is much much easier. QUOTE(ChanForu @ Sep 14 2015, 06:16)  Used to be trio and the tree. Get to ygasdril or whatever on normal mode and spam the shit out of weaken with it maxed to the fastest possible using spellspam. Or IW a crude equip, kill all the monsters except one. and spam it with weaken with spellspam (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) Crude IW is the best. Yggdrasil and the others will slowly increase their damage after hundreds of rounds, so that eventually their normal attacks will be doing spirit damage. QUOTE(Uyappy @ Sep 14 2015, 08:49)  That would require me actually getting a good rapier. :/ On the other hand, I've been mostly playing DW since I started. Wouldn't switching to 1H right now cost me a lot since I'm lacking tons of proficiency? Lastly: What weapons would be recommended if I'm doing DW? I'm running an Exquisite Axe of Slaughter on main and a Superior Wakizashi of Balance on off, plus a set of Light Armor (mostly Superior). I'd take an Exquisite rapier over a Peerless axe or Peerless club or Peerless anything else. Nothing comes close to comparing to Penetrated Armor. If you wish to play efficiently, you'll have to switch to 1h eventually. After one or two days of getting proficiency up - it doesn't take long at all if you play a reasonable amount - you'll find that it's incredibly more effective than DW on higher difficulties. Waiting to switch won't do any good. Most 1h players with meh to moderate equipment can play IWBTH and PFUDOR by level 260 without much trouble - but to play on that high difficulty as DW without curing annoyingly often would likely take level 340+ in addition to some forging. But if you still want to DW, mainhand club + offhand rapier seems to be the most popular. You get both Stun and PA that way. Wakizashi isn't a good choice unless you're using a mainhand rapier, because it means you're giving up the PA of an offhand rapier.
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Sep 14 2015, 11:02
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Jeanne d'Arc
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QUOTE(scrateur @ Sep 14 2015, 07:27)  What is the most efficient way to grind the depreciating proficiency? I would like to see if I can't unlock the Silence spell since I read on the wiki it is a good tool to have.
CODE gaining proficiency when using a spell is directly tied to the cost of the spell compared to the player's base magic points i would use a shade/leather set for mp boost regardless if you have light prof or not, this way you rise cost with interference and still get/have more mp from prof, also use a staff with no wis to have low base mp, or a broken staff with 1% Condition, to get it just die a few times with only the staff equiped to get it broken and ready for spell grinding. ( dont use a focus staff)
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Sep 14 2015, 11:05
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tetron
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Sep 14 2015, 14:26)  Club + rapier is the best setup for Dw light (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Nah. Rapier + Waki is far better.
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