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Sep 12 2015, 05:54
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karyl123
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Sep 12 2015, 10:31)  1m/piece. You sure don't want mag slaughter piece?
nope. dont need slaughter
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Sep 12 2015, 07:06
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nec1986
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QUOTE(EsotericSatire @ Sep 12 2015, 06:18)  Why not use adjusted mage score?
There are few problems: 1. Resist isnt static and average here doesnt rly work. Few examples for same mob, but 300lvl and 500lvl scaling. Resist 10,74% and 14,5% (pf +10%, probably addictive). System is probably 3 rolls. This way no damage reduction is (1-0,1074)^3 = 71,11% and (1-0,145)^3=62,5%. Same way our counter-resist doesnt gives straight line. Monster with 29% resist (ranked celestial/elemental on pf) already have damage reduction in 64% situations. No damage reduction 36% 50% reduction 44% 75% reduction 17% 90% reduction 3% But here is another problem. We also quite often face tanky mobs like giants. They have lower resist and if Mob1 is celestial and Mob2 is giant, than probably our counter-resist is mostly useless against celestial. Why? Because average we deal 63% of original damage to monster who has only half of giant fixity. 2. Mitg isnt constant too. I mean we deal with many classes at the same time. Same as celestial+giant some mitg have higher weight. And same as resist we deal with harder system. 75% mmi reduces damage in 4 times, while 50% only in 2. Our clearspeed depends only on hardest one in group and variety of that groups is quite big. So its almost not possibly to count exact value. We just guess according to directions, because we mostly have only 3 types 5+0, 4+1 and 3+2. This post has been edited by nec1986: Sep 12 2015, 07:11
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Sep 12 2015, 07:23
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karyl123
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Sep 12 2015, 07:49
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nobody_xxx
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QUOTE(Dead-ed @ Sep 12 2015, 10:31)  1m/piece. You sure don't want mag slaughter piece?
mag power slaughter is more expensive ~ with great ADB roll it can reach 5~7M (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/heh.gif)
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Sep 12 2015, 07:51
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izpekopon
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 12 2015, 07:17)  Swift Strike is the worst potency by far (for any style), so if you ever get it on the first run and you're planning to iw to 10 eventually, definitely reforge. But is an Exquisite worth IWing to 10? Maybe, maybe not.
At your level, you can't afford more than a few shards, right? If I were you I'd just aim to start with either Butcher or Fatality, and keep whatever comes after. Butcher 2+ or Fatality 2+ are very likely.
That said, IW probably takes ages for someone of your level - it might not be worth it to go far unless you can do it pretty quickly.
i'm planning to get it to IW10 somehow, since my budget doesnt allow me to go for better weapons atm (plus i soulbound it so the IW exp doubled right?) currently rapier, just gonna keep lvling it since u all suggest its not worth to reset the poten.
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Sep 12 2015, 09:47
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jacquelope
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So I'm not seeing a lot of loot drops in Eve of Death, TTT, Eve of Death, or TKaD, and I'm playing these arenas in Hell or Nintendo. Maybe 3-4 weapons or armor from the whole battle. I used to get three times as many drops on lower levels.
And Nintendo TTT took over an HOUR (3316 Turns) to complete. I got Spark'd 5 times and by round 70 I was living on Sleep and Weaken spells to stop the accursed Spark triggering.
Battle stats: [Received Damage] Average: 550.96 / Crushing: 39.79% / Piercing: 37.07% / Slashing: 8.9% / Fire: 3.26% / Holy: 2.88% / Void: 2.18% / Elec: 2.04% / Wind: 1.82% / Cold: 1.37% / Dark: 0.68%
[Used Item] Mana Draught: 38 / Mana Potion: 26 / Spirit Draught: 12 / Mystic Gem: 6 / Spirit Gem: 5 / Health Gem: 5 / Health Potion: 4 / Mana Elixir: 3 / Mana Gem: 2 / Health Draught: 5
Something's not right here....
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Sep 12 2015, 09:57
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Dead-ed
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QUOTE(nobody_xxx @ Sep 11 2015, 22:49)  great ADB roll
never mind, i just checked ranges history & i got a headache.
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Sep 12 2015, 10:03
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tetron
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QUOTE(Superlatanium @ Sep 12 2015, 04:47)  Swift Strike is the worst potency by far (for any style), so if you ever get it on the first run and you're planning to iw to 10 eventually, definitely reforge.
Even for DW/Niten? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(karyl123 @ Sep 12 2015, 10:53)  Yup. Very much possible. I myself have won 1st prize twice in the past with 1 Ticket each time. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)
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Sep 12 2015, 10:11
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alen20000
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Post your Stats, and/or any other information that you wish to share. (NOTE: You guys who don't have it yet, go to the FireFox Page and download the ScreenGrab™ plug-in. It is MUCH easier than typing the stats down, and and even quicker than cut-and-paste of the
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Sep 12 2015, 10:18
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karyl123
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 12 2015, 14:47)  So I'm not seeing a lot of loot drops in Eve of Death, TTT, Eve of Death, or TKaD, and I'm playing these arenas in Hell or Nintendo. Maybe 3-4 weapons or armor from the whole battle. I used to get three times as many drops on lower levels.
And Nintendo TTT took over an HOUR (3316 Turns) to complete. I got Spark'd 5 times and by round 70 I was living on Sleep and Weaken spells to stop the accursed Spark triggering.
Battle stats: [Received Damage] Average: 550.96 / Crushing: 39.79% / Piercing: 37.07% / Slashing: 8.9% / Fire: 3.26% / Holy: 2.88% / Void: 2.18% / Elec: 2.04% / Wind: 1.82% / Cold: 1.37% / Dark: 0.68%
[Used Item] Mana Draught: 38 / Mana Potion: 26 / Spirit Draught: 12 / Mystic Gem: 6 / Spirit Gem: 5 / Health Gem: 5 / Health Potion: 4 / Mana Elixir: 3 / Mana Gem: 2 / Health Draught: 5
Something's not right here....
just to make sure, you 1h ryt. haste, regen, protection, spark, spirit shield, heartseeker should UP ALL time dun forget to max the ability until your current level. - since you are not lv 300 yet. health draught should UP ALL time to support your regen. - use fire spike shield. reduce monster damage by 10% to avoid dying. - dont use weaken spell. waste of mana. - dont use skills, waste of overcharge. only use skill when you have 200+ overcharge. play style. - at round 1. up regen > protection (if channelling occur after regen UP heartseeker dont waste on protection) - normal hit monster until 100+ overcharge > UP spirit stance > UP heartseeker (if heartseeker already up, no need) - last up spark, spirit shield, haste, (if already UP by IA, no need to up that buff > enjoy semi permanent spirit stance. > only hit monster normally, dont use any skill/spell, use your precious mana on cure > full cure. > if overcharge over 200 you can shield bash > vital strike. dont use T3. waste of overcharge. > if another channeling occur during battle, prioritize heartseeker > regen. > having IA2 is great, you dont need to constantly cast spirit shield and spark. > having IA3 is the last IA upgrade, only if you are too lazy to cast haste. > IA4 and IA5 only if you rich. thats how I play.
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Sep 12 2015, 10:21
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karyl123
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QUOTE(alen20000 @ Sep 12 2015, 15:11)  Post your Stats, and/or any other information that you wish to share. (NOTE: You guys who don't have it yet, go to the FireFox Page and download the ScreenGrab™ plug-in. It is MUCH easier than typing the stats down, and and even quicker than cut-and-paste of the
there is a thing called snipping tool on windows 7 select area to take image poffff a window show up. press ctrl-c open imgur click upload press ctrl-v wait.............. uploaded copy the bb code forum. tadaaaaaa
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Sep 12 2015, 10:35
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ChanForu
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Sep 12 2015, 10:21)  there is a thing called snipping tool on windows 7 select area to take image poffff a window show up. press ctrl-c open imgur click upload press ctrl-v wait.............. uploaded copy the bb code forum. tadaaaaaa
>not using puu.sh, greenshot or anything else (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/tongue.gif)
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Sep 12 2015, 10:37
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jacquelope
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QUOTE(karyl123 @ Sep 12 2015, 01:18)  just to make sure, you 1h ryt. My uber RapierForce ShieldQUOTE haste, regen, protection, spark, spirit shield, heartseeker should UP ALL time dun forget to max the ability until your current level.
- since you are not lv 300 yet. health draught should UP ALL time to support your regen. - use fire spike shield. reduce monster damage by 10% to avoid dying. - dont use weaken spell. waste of mana. - dont use skills, waste of overcharge. only use skill when you have 200+ overcharge.
play style.
- at round 1. up regen > protection (if channelling occur after regen UP heartseeker dont waste on protection) - normal hit monster until 100+ overcharge > UP spirit stance > UP heartseeker (if heartseeker already up, no need) - last up spark, spirit shield, haste, (if already UP by IA, no need to up that buff
> enjoy semi permanent spirit stance. > only hit monster normally, dont use any skill/spell, use your precious mana on cure > full cure. > if overcharge over 200 you can shield bash > vital strike. dont use T3. waste of overcharge.
> if another channeling occur during battle, prioritize heartseeker > regen.
> having IA2 is great, you dont need to constantly cast spirit shield and spark. > having IA3 is the last IA upgrade, only if you are too lazy to cast haste. > IA4 and IA5 only if you rich.
thats how I play.
That's absolutely identical to how I play except I have wind spike shield to make it harder for them to hit me. I'll try Fire spike for a while and see how that works, and I only use Shield Bash etc on the final level against Yggdrasil and his gang. I don't have enough hath for any IA yet. I think I'm in that "monsters are getting a lot more badass" cycle yet again. I'm not going to be playing PFUDOR TTT as one player said is possible, any time soon. I might try it on FSM though.
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Sep 12 2015, 10:45
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karyl123
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QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 12 2015, 15:37)  My uber RapierForce ShieldThat's absolutely identical to how I play except I have wind spike shield to make it harder for them to hit me. I'll try Fire spike for a while and see how that works, and I only use Shield Bash etc on the final level against Yggdrasil and his gang. I don't have enough hath for any IA yet. I think I'm in that "monsters are getting a lot more badass" cycle yet again. I'm not going to be playing PFUDOR TTT as one player said is possible, any time soon. I might try it on FSM though. you 100% waste your money on that rapier (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/blink.gif) but I like that IW. its perfect. except the swift strike. dont increase anymore binding of slaughter. on that rapier. and buy a better power armor at least mag.
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Sep 12 2015, 10:52
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Falbala456
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QUOTE("Tetron") Even for DW/Niten? rolleyes.gif It can vary, but usually Swift Strike isn't what I look for (Butcher/Fatality, maybe a bit of overpower, depends)
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Sep 12 2015, 10:54
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(Artamsk @ Sep 12 2015, 01:40)  Do you think it is worth it to switch to 1h+shield? I'm not especially attached to my armor aside from needing to re-grind proficiency.
Do you suggest going 1h+shield and migrating to power armor? If so what would be the best suffix? I will look for a good rapier with slaughter but I really do not know what the best suffix for the armor/shield would be.
yup. at your level it's definitely an upgrade. best suffix will eventually be Power of Slaughter, but meanwhile you can buy a bit of time with Protection/Warding. as for shield, suffix/prefix are way less important as long as it has high Bloch Chance and decent PABs - personally, i'd take everything with high Block and DEX/END rolls. doesn't matter what the third PAB is QUOTE(izpekopon @ Sep 12 2015, 07:51)  i'm planning to get it to IW10 somehow, since my budget doesnt allow me to go for better weapons atm (plus i soulbound it so the IW exp doubled right?) currently rapier, just gonna keep lvling it since u all suggest its not worth to reset the poten. your rapier isn't so bad. maybe DEX roll and PA chance are a bit low, but it seems the latter doesn't matter, so you can still be happy. Butcher 3 gives good hopes for Butcher 5, so continue this way QUOTE(tetron @ Sep 12 2015, 10:03)  just wondering: apart for the fact that i won't give up to Fatality for any reason and DW/Niten needs a certain amount of Overpower, how would Swift Strike 10 be on a Shade build that already has 50% Speed Bonus to begin with and maximum Haste always on? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) QUOTE(tetron @ Sep 12 2015, 10:03)  Yup. Very much possible. I myself have won 1st prize twice in the past with 1 Ticket each time. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/dry.gif) QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 12 2015, 10:37)  even if it's a MAG, isn't it a bit too forged? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/huh.gif) QUOTE(jacquelope @ Sep 12 2015, 10:37)  I'm not going to be playing PFUDOR TTT as one player said is possible, any time soon. I might try it on FSM though.
mind you, you can still do them at Normal difficulty and be happy enough with first clear bonus/noodle drop (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Sep 12 2015, 11:39
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tetron
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 12 2015, 14:24)  just wondering: apart for the fact that i won't give up to Fatality for any reason and DW/Niten needs a certain amount of Overpower, how would Swift Strike 10 be on a Shade build that already has 50% Speed Bonus to begin with and maximum Haste always on? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) I've forgotten actually. It's been a long time since I've played DW-Shade. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) But as far as I can remember, SS used to give me kinda 1H like "easy going" gameplay experience. I mean mindless mouse up-down without much need to cure. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 12 2015, 14:24)  Grapes sure are sour, aren't they? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif)
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Sep 12 2015, 11:45
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Cleavs
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QUOTE(tetron @ Sep 12 2015, 11:39)  I've forgotten actually. It's been a long time since I've played DW-Shade. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) But as far as I can remember, SS used to give me kinda 1H like "easy going" gameplay experience. I mean mindless mouse up-down without much need to cure. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) hmmm... then, the next questions are: - considering also haste bonus, what will be the best combination of potencies? swift5/fat4? fat5/op4? what else? - what's the maximum speed threshold one may reach with swift 8~10 and haste on, considering a 25% base? QUOTE(tetron @ Sep 12 2015, 11:39)  Grapes sure are sour, aren't they? (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/rolleyes.gif) indeed. but now that you remind me, i saw the first people harvesting these past days, and this summer was particularly hot. i'm quite eager to know how good will be wine...
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Sep 12 2015, 12:02
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tetron
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QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 12 2015, 15:15)  hmmm... then, the next questions are: - considering also haste bonus, what will be the best combination of potencies? swift5/fat4? fat5/op4? what else? - what's the maximum speed threshold one may reach with swift 8~10 and haste on, considering a 25% base?
As I've said, I've last played DW a long time ago. So no idea right now. But the latest buff to the Attack Speed of Waki has made me curious again. (IMG:[ invalid] style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) QUOTE(Scremaz @ Sep 12 2015, 15:15)  indeed. but now that you remind me, i saw the first people harvesting these past days, and this summer was particularly hot. i'm quite eager to know how good will be wine...
You don't say....I'm practically living off fruit juice for the last week! It's hot as hell here! 
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